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Old 02-16-2006, 01:22 PM   #1
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Historic Dallas Skyscrapers

FYI. Below is just a basic chronicle of stuff found scattered elsewhere from the DMN (slow news day, I suppose). FYI, a display in the pedestrian tunnels of Bank of America Plaza have these different building featured on a timeline showing chronologically which buildings were once the tallest in town.


Steve Brown:Stories of skyscrapers of old
Once upon a time, 15 floors was the height of modernity

08:30 AM CST on Friday, February 10, 2006



When architects designed downtown's Kirby Building in the early 1900s, they bragged that its gothic spires would be a standout on Dallas' nascent skyline. And for a time the 16-story building was one of the tallest office buildings in town. Sadly these days, the landmark granite and terra cotta office tower is mostly hidden by surrounding taller buildings. So this week when the Kirby Building changed hands it seemed odd to call it a "skyscraper." But in its day, the Kirby and other Main Street office blocks were among the tallest built west of the Mississippi.

Dallas' first true tower was the Praetorian Building. When the Main Street high-rise was christened in 1907, The Dallas Morning News called it "the first skyscraper in the Southwest." At 15 floors, it was the tallest building in Texas -- so high that visitors paid a quarter just to go up to the top floor.

Of course, the Praetorian Building's reign on the Dallas skyline didn't last. The Southwestern Life Building opened in 1912 with 17 stories. And a 20-story addition to the Adolphus Hotel the same year made it "the tallest hotel in the South," according to newspaper reports. By 1921 downtown's Magnolia Building was the largest, with 27 stories. It held onto its perch at the pinnacle of Dallas' skyline until the 33-story Mercantile National Bank Building opened in 1943.

Competition to build the tallest tower heated up in the 1950s, with the 36-story Republic Bank Building in 1954 and the 42-story Southland Life tower in 1959. In 1964, the First National Bank tower at 1401 Elm St. became the first Dallas skyscraper to top 50 stories. First National Bank stayed on top of the tall buildings market when it added the 54-story First International Building in 1974. And in 1985 Canadian developer Bramalea Ltd. built the 72-story Bank of America Tower, which has been the tallest in Dallas for more than 20 years.

Bank of America Tower isn't likely to lose its distinction. Plans in the late 1980s which called for a 100-story building on the north side of downtown never got off the drawing board. And the tallest towers being talked about these days in the Victory complex and downtown's Arts District would be in the mid 40s. That's hardly tall enough to register in a world where the tallest building -- the Taipei 101 tower in Taiwan -- is 101 floors.

As the Kirby Building proves, our notion of what makes a skyscraper changes with the times.
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Old 02-16-2006, 01:51 PM   #2
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Cool info. Thanks.
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Old 02-16-2006, 08:00 PM   #3
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That was a fun read. Thanks.
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Old 02-16-2006, 08:59 PM   #4
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Mabye the DMN is prepping the public for the announcement of a new skyscraper downtown. I know...highly unlikely, but I can always dream
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Old 02-16-2006, 09:39 PM   #5
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Technically, there are two new skyscrapers being built in DTD.
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Old 02-16-2006, 10:04 PM   #6
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I wouldnt call anything under 500 feet a skyscraper...a tall building, yes, but no skyscraper
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Old 02-17-2006, 06:08 PM   #7
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Skyscraper/highrise is defined as greater than 12 stories.
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Old 02-18-2006, 01:34 AM   #8
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Skyscraper/highrise is defined as greater than 12 stories.


Laura Ingalls may have thought that way, but not so in the 21st century. In 1906 a nickle bought a lot of candy, and a 12 story building would have been considered a skyscraper. Nowadays a 12 story may be a midrise, and the height for skyscraper status has increased. Wikipedia lists 800ft as the minimum height, I'm being generous with 500.
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Old 02-18-2006, 04:10 AM   #9
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12 stories is the commonly used definition. The large sites that catalogue the buildings use 12 stories to create their counts as well as it being widely accepted by users of the sites. Even Chicago has 2 construction threads. Projects under 12 stories and projects over 12 stories. 500fters are commonly referred to as a "talls" and the 1000fters are referred to as "supertalls". Don't know how this lingo developed, but that's the way they are referred to.

12 story buildings aren't as common as you may think. You've probably simply been fortunate enough to live in places with a lot of them. Keep in mind the metroplex only has about 300+ of these. If they used 800ft, there would be very few in the world
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Old 02-18-2006, 01:46 PM   #10
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My source is Emporis.com
It defines a high rise as anything over 12 stories. The dictionary defines a skyscraper as a tall building with many stories, which fits the mold of a high-rise defintion.
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Old 02-18-2006, 04:50 PM   #11
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I think there is a distinction between a high rise building and a skyscraper. A building may officially be considered a high rise at 115 ft (35 meters), but the term "skyscraper", which was first coined in the 1880s, is more vague and doesn't have an official height limit. The term was later defined by architectural historians(this is what I've read off emporis) to consist of buildings built with a steel frame. That definition is now obsolete because of the use of reinforced concrete. I guess it depends on your personal point of view on what to consider a skyscraper or not. Someone who's lived their entire life in Waco would consider the Alico building a skyscraper (I love that building, BTW), but for a skyscraper enthusiast/size queen like myself, I'll never consider anything under 500 ft. My personal perception of skyscrapers means that buildings which were considered skyscrapers when they were built in the early 1900s no longer fit that category. The bar was raised when 12-15 stories were dwarfed by 30-40 stories, and so on.

more from wikipedia, which uses emporis as a source...

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A skyscraper is a very tall, continuously habitable building. The minimum height requirement currently accepted is 800 feet (244 meters). The word skyscraper was first applied to such buildings in the late 19th century, reflecting public amazement at the tall buildings being built in New York City. The structural definition of the word skyscraper was refined later by architectural historians, based on engineering developments of the 1880s that had enabled construction of tall multi-story buildings. This definition was based on the steel skeleton—as opposed to constructions of load-bearing masonry, which passed their practical limit in 1891 with Chicago's Monadnock Building. The steel frame developed in stages of increasing self-sufficiency, with several buildings in New York and Chicago advancing the technology that allowed the steel frame to carry a building on its own. Today, however, many of the tallest skyscrapers are built more or less entirely with reinforced concrete. In the United States today, it is a loose convention to draw the lower limit on what is a skyscraper at 153 metres (500 feet). Elsewhere, though, a shorter building will sometimes be referred to as a skyscraper, especially if it is said to "dominate" its surroundings. Thus, calling a building a skyscraper will usually, but not always, implies pride and achievement.

Originally, skyscraper was a nautical term for a tall mast or sail on a sailing ship.

A skyscraper taller than 305 metres (1,000 feet) may sometimes be referred to as a supertall.

The somewhat arbitrary term skyscraper should not be confused with the slightly less arbitrary term highrise, defined by the Emporis Data Committee as "a building which is 35 metres [115 feet] or greater in height, and is divided at regular intervals into occupiable floors" [1]. All skyscrapers are highrises, but only the tallest highrises are skyscrapers. Habitability separates skyscrapers from towers and masts. Some structural engineers define a highrise as any vertical construction for which wind is a more significant load factor than weight is. Note that this criterion fits not only highrises but some other tall structures, such as towers.
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Interesting to find the diferentiating viewpoints. I guess it purely is an arbitary term.
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Old 02-18-2006, 08:35 PM   #13
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Alico building a skyscraper (I love that building, BTW), but for a skyscraper enthusiast/size queen like myself, I'll never consider anything under 500 ft


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I guess it purely is an arbitary term.


I do think it is purely a subjective thing. I know some that love buildings simply for it height. As for myself I like buildings like the Alico in Waco, Burk Burnett in Fort Worth, Gulf Building in Houston, etc. I go for character over height which eliminates most newer structures IMO.
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