DTD: Street Level Retail

[ksig121]

I would rather someone get a grip on the fact that the Stewpot serves more meals per day than any other establishment downtown. Fix that and you would see more open air style places, bookstores etc.

You know, I'm so sick of people blaming the homeless for every problem in DTD. The way you fix the homeless problem is by putting more people on the street and educating people on how to deal with them. It's not like Dallas is the only city in the country with a large homeless population. Go check out Seattle and San Francisco. People there aren't afraid of homeless folks. They know how to deal with them because they are a part of their everyday life. Stop using the homeless as a scapegoat for the lack of street life downtown.

Everyone needs to be patient. Name one sun belt city that is ahead of Dallas in terms of urbanization and smart development. These things take time to develop. Look at Main St. 10 years ago compared to what's there now. It's like night and day! 10 years from now, there will be more development. The last thing we need in DTD is manufactured, Disney-style street life. A city should grow organically. That takes time. Relax folks, we're on our way. Have a little patience.

[gshelton91]

/\ I agree i have been to cities all over the world and they all have beggars and homeless that want money. An education campaign is probably a good idea... but really I just walk by. I do agree we need to minimize it as much as we can but the homeless is not the problem... the problem is that we just don't have that much to do downtown to draw more people.

Fancy high end restaurants can only draw so many people. We need places that appeal to a wider audience.

I was in downtown for the park opening last Friday night and i must say i was really impressed with how many people were in downtown... but we left and went to Capital Pub to eat.... The only place we would have eaten at downtown was 10Sports Grill and while i like the food ok and the prices are ok... i don't like that it is so closed in. Also City Tavern is good.

Downtown missed a great opportunity with the sports bar in the Sheraton... it is really nice and had someone had a little imagination it could have been a real draw for downtown... Imagine if they had opened it up on the street... and projected games across the street on to the building... That would have been cool.

[jovangonzales]

Downtown missed a great opportunity with the sports bar in the Sheraton... it is really nice and had someone had a little imagination it could have been a real draw for downtown... Imagine if they had opened it up on the street... and projected games across the street on to the building... That would have been cool.

That is an AMAZING idea. They project movies on the side of one of the dorms at A&M and it's a huge hit. People just sit on the lawn between two dorms and watch a movie. I love your idea. Maybe Dallas should have a film fest that features something like that.

[fm40804]

That is an AMAZING idea. They project movies on the side of one of the dorms at A&M and it's a huge hit. People just sit on the lawn between two dorms and watch a movie. I love your idea. Maybe Dallas should have a film fest that features something like that.

Done 2 times....

1. Someone used to project films on the side of DP&L.

2. They used to show films a couple down in Pegasus park. I don't think the crowd was more than 100 people though.

[jovangonzales]

Done 2 times....

1. Someone used to project films on the side of DP&L.

2. They used to show films a couple down in Pegasus park. I don't think the crowd was more than 100 people though.

Awww. Well thanks for popping my bubble! :P But seriously, I guess nifty ideas like that will only flourish when there are more people in eastern DT or Deep Ellum, the critical mass that everyone refers to I guess.

[NThomas]

Done 2 times....

1. Someone used to project films on the side of DP&L.

2. They used to show films a couple down in Pegasus park. I don't think the crowd was more than 100 people though.

Hopefully a larger "screen" (UCD) will draw more people to a larger park and bring larger crowds at Main Street Gardens.

[gshelton91]

I think it will over time... We are at a stage in Dallas where we have to keep doing things so they are predictable --- like Jazz under the stars.... I know about what time to look for that every year.

If it were up to me i would also hang a banner off a few over passes around Dallas ---

[jovangonzales]

Maybe Dallas should work with some of those high class restaurants in downtown and come up with like a tasting day or something. People always come for free food. Or find something unique to Dallas' history (still having to do with food, like maybe BBQ, Frozen Margs, Corny Dogs, or all 3 -- heck yes for Dallas inventions!) and have a festival? Sulphur Springs down the road has the Hopkins Co Stew Fest, and the Dairy Fest. Both draw people from literally around the world and they were both on food network, I'd say for a little town, that's huge. Maybe that is something Dallas should do. Or has that already been done, too?

[cowboyeagle05]

Maybe Dallas should work with some of those high class restaurants in downtown and come up with like a tasting day or something. People always come for free food. Or find something unique to Dallas' history (still having to do with food, like maybe BBQ, Frozen Margs, Corny Dogs, or all 3 -- heck yes for Dallas inventions!) and have a festival? Sulphur Springs down the road has the Hopkins Co Stew Fest, and the Dairy Fest. Both draw people from literally around the world and they were both on food network, I'd say for a little town, that's huge. Maybe that is something Dallas should do. Or has that already been done, too?

Yes its called the Taste of Dallas and its been held in the West End every year for awhile now. I guess you haven't gone before but I know lots of people who don't live in Dallas who make the trip Downtown for it every year.

[jovangonzales]

Yes its called the Taste of Dallas and its been held in the West End every year for awhile now. I guess you haven't gone before but I know lots of people who don't live in Dallas who make the trip Downtown for it every year.

Gah! I thought I pretty much was all over things that Dallas does ... guess not. I suppose I'll have to take a visit! Well, then I'm out of ideas to help DT Dallas! Okay not really, but I have some pretty far-fetched ideas that prolly require a lot more people to make them happen, ha!

[UrbanHope]

/\ I agree i have been to cities all over the world and they all have beggars and homeless that want money. An education campaign is probably a good idea... but really I just walk by. I do agree we need to minimize it as much as we can but the homeless is not the problem... the problem is that we just don't have that much to do downtown to draw more people.

Exactly - If people feel that the homeless are a problem they might as well never come to downtown. Like you don't see homeless people in NYC or Chicago or anywhere else. When you have more people, it balances out.

Fancy high end restaurants can only draw so many people. We need places that appeal to a wider audience.

I was in downtown for the park opening last Friday night and i must say i was really impressed with how many people were in downtown... but we left and went to Capital Pub to eat.... The only place we would have eaten at downtown was 10Sports Grill and while i like the food ok and the prices are ok... i don't like that it is so closed in. Also City Tavern is good.

Downtown missed a great opportunity with the sports bar in the Sheraton... it is really nice and had someone had a little imagination it could have been a real draw for downtown... Imagine if they had opened it up on the street... and projected games across the street on to the building... That would have been cool.

Agree with you except I wonder if the Sheraton is too far to get a ton of foot traffic from anywhere other than the surrounding hotels. I don't see it pulling people to walk there from the core of downtown. Sheraton has done very little outreach to get people to visit Draft Sports Bar.

10Sports needs a serious service revamp though. The luxury of being the only show in the core of downtown.

[warlock55]

/\ I agree i have been to cities all over the world and they all have beggars and homeless that want money.

I visted Portland and Seattle last month, and I distinctly remember thinking that although downtown Dallas lagged behind their downtowns in pretty much everything, the homeless are definitely LESS visible in Dallas. Unfortunately, five or six homeless people on a busy block in downtown Seattle is less bothersome than one on an otherwise empty block in Dallas.

[gshelton91]

Well i think Taste of Dallas has a lot to be desired... i went once... love stuff like that usually... and doubt i will ever go back...

[CasperITL]

10 years ago compared to what's there now. It's like night and day!

Looks the same to me. Exactly the same. In 10 years, I have seen very little if any difference.

The homeless in downtown are awful. There is nothing that can be done to remove them. They are a pox on downtown. I see the homeless as feces throwing unstable animals. Same deranged mentally ill people year after year after year. I'm not even sure the use of German Shepherds and flamethrowers could get them to go away.

Homeless are part of the tripod of problems for downtown. Part but not the whole problem. Victory is homeless free and just as empty.

I have always said that downtown was purpose built as a vertical office park. It was never intended to be used for residential living. Parking, food, retail, amentities....they are all for building tenants and invited guests of buildings.

Everything you guys want in this mythical ideal of "urbanism" sits right across the freeway in Uptown. Trolley cars, restaurants, walking paths, nightlife, hot chicks, food. It's all there. Unless you can kill Uptown, Downtown will always be the bum urine soaked grid of emptiess that it was 10 years ago....and still is today.

[aygriffith]

Everything you guys want in this mythical ideal of "urbanism" sits right across the freeway in Uptown. Trolley cars, restaurants, walking paths, nightlife, hot chicks, food. It's all there. Unless you can kill Uptown, Downtown will always be the bum urine soaked grid of emptiess that it was 10 years ago....and still is today.

Too true...

We champion people from Deep Ellum, Fair Park, East and West Dallas to come to downtown but the sadest example of people we can't get to go downtown is people that live 500 ft across Woodall Rogers. I know many people and have met many more that live in Uptown who think downtown is like a bad neighbor who doesn't mow his yard.

EDIT 1,000th post... and at this point I'd like to appologize for all my mindless dribble to those of you who haven't already set me to ignore

[NThomas]

EDIT 1,000th post... and at this point I'd like to appologize for all my mindless dribble to those of you who haven't already set me to ignore

Most of your posts have either a good explanation of your opinion or real information. Congratulations on the 1k mark!

[AeroD]

EDIT 1,000th post... and at this point I'd like to appologize for all my mindless dribble to those of you who haven't already set me to ignore

WINNER, WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!!!

[Curitiba Guy]

Next time you are out and about in Uptown try looking under the Katy Trail bridges . If walking down the trail , the leaves have fallen, peer into the trees and you might see a tent or two. Or try the alley ways in Uptown. You just might find all those homeless people you have been missing. They are here,too. They are just outnumbered by pedestrians.

[cowboyeagle05]

Your right the 80's Downtown Dallas was built as a vertical office park but that's why it takes time and money to convert Downtown in to that new age urbanism neighborhood. Sure Uptown is a success in some sorts but Downtown continues to evolve differently than its grass is greener brother that is Uptown. Its much better off today than it was 10 years ago and the homeless sure they are there but as explained all over this website homeless exist in all cities during their down times and during the most positive neighborhood areas. Why do people think they are the only thorn in the hoof of Downtown success and will curb any further progress.

I'm not sure why we need to just settle with Uptown successes and just abandon our progress in Downtown just because some great things happened in Uptown. I support effort to work with 80's Downtown Dallas and how to re-work it for its new life and purpose. The creative energy put in reworking Downtown is what makes it Downtown. Its not impossible but it does take effort and that's what is worth it. The coolest places Downtown come from these reinterpretations of current spaces with new construction mixed in between to increase variety. That is what worked in Uptown and that's what will continue to work in Downtown in the future.

[mannypr]

I've noticed on my last visits to downtown that it is getting a bit more crowded. At night people used to congregate for the most part on Main and the West End. And while those are still the biggest destinations at those hours, you can find at least a soul and some traffic on every street you turn. Main St traffic sure pisses me off though.

[ksig121]

Looks the same to me. Exactly the same. In 10 years, I have seen very little if any difference.

The homeless in downtown are awful. There is nothing that can be done to remove them. They are a pox on downtown. I see the homeless as feces throwing unstable animals. Same deranged mentally ill people year after year after year. I'm not even sure the use of German Shepherds and flamethrowers could get them to go away.

Homeless are part of the tripod of problems for downtown. Part but not the whole problem. Victory is homeless free and just as empty.

Then you're either blind or kinda "slow".

Main Street alone is a huge improvement over the DTD of 10 years ago. Try to be a little objective.

[AshtonM]

Looks the same to me. Exactly the same. In 10 years, I have seen very little if any difference.

The homeless in downtown are awful. There is nothing that can be done to remove them. They are a pox on downtown. I see the homeless as feces throwing unstable animals. Same deranged mentally ill people year after year after year. I'm not even sure the use of German Shepherds and flamethrowers could get them to go away.

Homeless are part of the tripod of problems for downtown. Part but not the whole problem. Victory is homeless free and just as empty.

I have always said that downtown was purpose built as a vertical office park. It was never intended to be used for residential living. Parking, food, retail, amentities....they are all for building tenants and invited guests of buildings.

Everything you guys want in this mythical ideal of "urbanism" sits right across the freeway in Uptown. Trolley cars, restaurants, walking paths, nightlife, hot chicks, food. It's all there. Unless you can kill Uptown, Downtown will always be the bum urine soaked grid of emptiess that it was 10 years ago....and still is today.

Sure there is still a lot of work left to do, but downtown has made leaps and bounds over what is even 10 years ago. Why would the progress just come to a sudden halt? Good things take time.

[mjblazin]

The best metric for downtown (or any improving neighborhood) progress is lone women walking dogs after sunset. That's the biggest change in 10 years that I've lived here. That metric does not change unless women feel comfortable enough to live downtown and then venture out on streets after dark for day to day activities (not lining up in a crowd outside a dance club). It's better than retail openings, stupid glitzy signs, corp relos, or the other surface demonstrations of progress frequently hawked here and elsewhere.

If you can make progress on that metric, then you actually have a foundation to do the other things. Without it, we are dead in the water.

[vman]

I can't find the thread but someone mentioned Einstein's Bagels was coming downtown. Any info??

[CasperITL]

Then you're either blind or kinda "slow".

Main Street alone is a huge improvement over the DTD of 10 years ago. Try to be a little objective.

This 4 year old thread will make you cry if you start on the first page:

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/sh...1&page=1&pp=50

I think alot of the projects so hyped back then were really just vapor projects or run by scam artists. Namely the restaurants and clubs. Oh well.

I really cannot see any marked difference from even 1998 in downtown. Many of the empty storefronts have been that way since the 80s.

[VagaBOND007]

This 4 year old thread will make you cry if you start on the first page:

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/sh...1&page=1&pp=50

I think alot of the projects so hyped back then were really just vapor projects or run by scam artists. Namely the restaurants and clubs. Oh well.

I really cannot see any marked difference from even 1998 in downtown. Many of the empty storefronts have been that way since the 80s.

That's really sobering.

[aygriffith]

The best metric for downtown (or any improving neighborhood) progress is lone women walking dogs after sunset. That's the biggest change in 10 years that I've lived here. That metric does not change unless women feel comfortable enough to live downtown and then venture out on streets after dark for day to day activities (not lining up in a crowd outside a dance club). It's better than retail openings, stupid glitzy signs, corp relos, or the other surface demonstrations of progress frequently hawked here and elsewhere.

If you can make progress on that metric, then you actually have a foundation to do the other things. Without it, we are dead in the water.

But do they pick up their dog's poop?

[gshelton91]

This 4 year old thread will make you cry if you start on the first page:

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/sh...1&page=1&pp=50

I think alot of the projects so hyped back then were really just vapor projects or run by scam artists. Namely the restaurants and clubs. Oh well.

I really cannot see any marked difference from even 1998 in downtown. Many of the empty storefronts have been that way since the 80s.

folks on this board should know better then anyone that developers are dreamers and gamblers-- it should be no great surprise that a lot of things talked about never happen

but think of all that has happened!

Larry Hamilton came to town and there were what 2 residential buildings in the downtown core. Probably a total of 400 apartments -- in his 3 projects he has added something like 800 more apartments... with retail And i can see a huge change from when i first started really paying attention to downtown... I would drive down on a Saturday morning and not a sole was out... now i drive through even early and people everywhere.

We all hoped (dreamed) it would be more by this point-- i agree --- but to say nothing has happened in the past 10 years is a gross misrepresentation of the facts.

Thousands of people now live downtown
New retail exist and new retail is opening in a down economy
old useless office space is now off the market
and driving through you actually see people on the street

[ksig121]

This 4 year old thread will make you cry if you start on the first page:

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/sh...1&page=1&pp=50

I think alot of the projects so hyped back then were really just vapor projects or run by scam artists. Namely the restaurants and clubs. Oh well.

I really cannot see any marked difference from even 1998 in downtown. Many of the empty storefronts have been that way since the 80s.

It doesn't make me cry at all. What has happened downtown is part of the natural cycle of an area maturing. I think that we get so wrapped up with instant solutions in this city that we have a hard time letting something happen organically. There is marked improvement in the CBD compared to ten years ago. Is it where I wanted or expected it to be by now? No. However, I'm still happy with the progress made down there. We have to understand that Dallas has its own character that is just being formed. Cities are built over decades, not years. We got a late start, but we are progressing well. I for one am glad that it is taking longer to fully develop DTD. What will grow over time will be much more diverse and natural than if we decided to slap together a Legacy Town Center-style development.

Quit being such a downer. We all know that projects come and go. The important thing is that they keep coming. That is happening downtown. Open your eyes and quit being so bitter.

[cowboyeagle05]

Last time I checked most businesses fail in the first year no matter what market they open in. When you remember that fact, Downtown is not that different than any shopping area in DFW let alone the US market. Restaurants and other retailers fail in the best economies. The point is to build momentum in Downtown to eventually fill even old retail spaces and encourage the construction of new ones. Plus provide neighborhood services to encourage more rental units. That has been happening for awhile now.

[vman]

http://eatsblog.dallasnews.com/archi...hip-burge.html

Fuse has closed and will reopen as a "hip burger joint" plus Obar will reopen here as well.

[dtdresident]

Saw some work being done in the retail space on Field street between commerce and jackson. Two contractors outside told me it was going to be a private charter school (daycare maybe?). Anyway, when I pressed for additional details, they said that I should make sure my car doors are locked -- is Dallas Can Academy relocating?

[cowboyeagle05]

Just to add to the pile if you pass by the Mosaic bldg you will notice they have finally started construction of a convenience store in the space between AMPM and Backbeat Cafe. The door will face the inside the building so most of the customers will be residents considering you do need a security fob to enter the lobby.

[aygriffith]

Just to add to the pile if you pass by the Mosaic bldg you will notice they have finally started construction of a convenience store in the space between AMPM and Backbeat Cafe. The door will face the inside the building so most of the customers will be residents considering you do need a security fob to enter the lobby.

Failure... The plan for a package store that only serves residents is myopic and hasn't worked yet in Dallas that I've seen. They will have to open the front doors or add an exterior entrance or it won't last more than 24 months.

[cowboyeagle05]

Failure... The plan for a package store that only serves residents is myopic and hasn't worked yet in Dallas that I've seen. They will have to open the front doors or add an exterior entrance or it won't last more than 24 months.

We'll see keeping in mind the Mosaic is the largest Apartment building in Downtown Dallas but as just mentioned on the 511 Akard thread 7-11 will be opening a store nearby as well. Then again I know many residents who will not leave the building at night for the argument of security on and if they had a place downtown stairs to buy some of the minor items they would use it.

Besides who said the project was going to operate for profit. The financiers might have made a deal with the building that allows them to operate more cheaply since such a store will be attractive for signing more leases. We know rent won't be much of anything at all even at market rates let alone if Mosaic has decided to cut them a deal to make the project happen. I mean I don't have the inside scoop on what exactly is going to end up inside the place or what deals were made but I can postulate.

[aygriffith]

We'll see keeping in mind the Mosaic is the largest Apartment building in Downtown Dallas but as just mentioned on the 511 Akard thread 7-11 will be opening a store nearby as well. Then again I know many residents who will not leave the building at night for the argument of security on and if they had a place downtown stairs to buy some of the minor items they would use it.

Besides who said the project was going to operate for profit. The financiers might have made a deal with the building that allows them to operate more cheaply since such a store will be attractive for signing more leases. We know rent won't be much of anything at all even at market rates let alone if Mosaic has decided to cut them a deal to make the project happen. I mean I don't have the inside scoop on what exactly is going to end up inside the place or what deals were made but I can postulate.

Why would Mosaic owners or the apartment management company take a hit on opening a sundries store in the building? While its an amenity, it won't increase leasing or keep those in leases in them for longer. The store won't have purchasing power of 7-11 and at best will get items at Wholesale Club prices and still have to mark them up 25 to 50 percent which will price them above 7-11 which will be a block down Akard.

I would be willing to bet that the rent is on a percentage of revenue basis and not a fixed monthly rent. That doesn't insure success by an means, it just looks attractive to a small time operator who's scared of a few thousand a month in rent.

[cowboyeagle05]

Why would Mosaic owners or the apartment management company take a hit on opening a sundries store in the building? While its an amenity, it won't increase leasing or keep those in leases in them for longer. The store won't have purchasing power of 7-11 and at best will get items at Wholesale Club prices and still have to mark them up 25 to 50 percent which will price them above 7-11 which will be a block down Akard.

I would be willing to bet that the rent is on a percentage of revenue basis and not a fixed monthly rent. That doesn't insure success by an means, it just looks attractive to a small time operator who's scared of a few thousand a month in rent.

Delivery up to each of the apartments would help along with fresh food offerings that neither AMPM or Backbeat are able to provide. I wouldn't count them out yet.

[gshelton91]

Just trying to think out of the box on how to kick start downtown street level retail ---

I was at First Monday this past weekend in Canton Texas -- First time i have been in years -- many years--- And i have to say i was really impressed at how the place has changed... junk can still be found but most of the vendors i saw were selling unique clothing or home goods or art --- just tons of stuff all good quality -- I am not talking about the seconds of major manufacturers or knockoffs of big name designers here...

So my idea is this... Take main street and have DTD work with the owners of each empty retail space and work out a deal... where for the next 2 years DTD can periodically put retail in that spot but gets access for free or a percent of sales... Then DTD picks and chooses key dates when people will be in downtown anyway (like Texas/OU weekend, Mary Kay Convention, Thanksgiving weekend/Downtown Christmas Parade) they will probably need to invent more --- then invite some key vendors to come to Downtown and set up Shop at those times...

this is not a perfect solution... not the kind of retail we want to end up with (weekend and special occasion) --- but it

The thing is we have to start somewhere and perhaps we should start to walk before we can start to run. What do you guys think? Anyway to make this work? better ideas that are take offs on this?

[dfwcre8tive]

Saw this the other day... it's behind the Subway at St. Paul Station. According to their website they have breakfast and lunch food as well as beverages.

http://www.beyondjuicetexas.com/

[DSM]

Just trying to think out of the box on how to kick start downtown street level retail ---

I was at First Monday this past weekend in Canton Texas -- First time i have been in years -- many years--- And i have to say i was really impressed at how the place has changed... junk can still be found but most of the vendors i saw were selling unique clothing or home goods or art --- just tons of stuff all good quality -- I am not talking about the seconds of major manufacturers or knockoffs of big name designers here...

So my idea is this... Take main street and have DTD work with the owners of each empty retail space and work out a deal... where for the next 2 years DTD can periodically put retail in that spot but gets access for free or a percent of sales... Then DTD picks and chooses key dates when people will be in downtown anyway (like Texas/OU weekend, Mary Kay Convention, Thanksgiving weekend/Downtown Christmas Parade) they will probably need to invent more --- then invite some key vendors to come to Downtown and set up Shop at those times...

this is not a perfect solution... not the kind of retail we want to end up with (weekend and special occasion) --- but it

The thing is we have to start somewhere and perhaps we should start to walk before we can start to run. What do you guys think? Anyway to make this work? better ideas that are take offs on this?

I think this is a great idea. Also, the successful retailers might see long-term opportunities in DTD. In this case, DTD, utilizing their retail strategy, should offer up some incentives to achieve their goals. I know that at McKinney trade days, a few of the vendors have permanent locations in and around McKinney --> possible because of their success as vendors at trade days

[Kelley USA]

With the current yogurt craze, I wonder how long until we see a new yogurt store open in DT?? I think it would do killer business especially during the lunch hour…

[lakewoodhobo]

With the current yogurt craze, I wonder how long until we see a new yogurt store open in DT?? I think it would do killer business especially during the lunch hour…

Well, we have "Chill" at the Sheraton and I'm patiently awaiting the "Yogen Fruz" set to open in the Merc. I'm sure there are places that sell yogurt in the tunnels, but nothing like the Red Mango and Pinkberry stores opening all over town.

[cowboyeagle05]

There is TCBY in the tunnels but we know how old that brand is. Besides, is Yogen Fruz still going to open a location in the Merc, they announced that months ago just before fourth of July when they opened the other locations that they announced in that same news article. I've just assumed that project is dead like similar announcements about new retailers in Downtown Dallas.

[lakewoodhobo]

^It's definitely taking a long time, but their website still shows that location as coming soon (in some building called Merchantile, lol):

Coming Soon - Merchantile Place
1800 Main Street
Dallas, TX USA
75201

[dfwcre8tive]

I contacted the owner, and the Beyond Juice store mentioned above will open in early February with store hours 7AM-6PM Monday-Friday.

[Kelley USA]

I saw this on GlobeSt... Perhaps Dallas will be considered for this:

http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas...l?surround=lfn

[dfwcre8tive]

I saw this on GlobeSt... Perhaps Dallas will be considered for this:

http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas...l?surround=lfn

The Cityplace Target must be following this trend, as they recently reorganized the layout and added grocery in the store. But an even smaller urban store would be perfect downtown.

[vman]

The Cityplace Target must be following this trend, as they recently reorganized the layout and added grocery in the store. But an even smaller urban store would be perfect downtown.

The base of Elm Place would be an awesome location.

[R1070]

If they dont put one downtown, then Victory Park would be a great second choice.

[jredallas]

Yeah, I would think DTD Assn. should be all over this and doing everything possible to convince Target to pilot the small store concept in DTD.