I think these used to be called "Peppertree".
The Village View apartments span the entire block of Fisher between Skillman and Abrams. (the southwest corner of Abrams & Fisher to the southeast corner of Skillman & Fisher)
I remember these apartments because they advertised one bedrooms for $200 and two bedrooms for $400 about a year ago. I was shocked the rent was so low even though they were obviously not nice apartments.
I think these used to be called "Peppertree".
And now they are more aptly called Pepper Spray! And of course, they have not been re-mapped into LH yet. :2lol:Originally Posted by Lakewooder
Yeah, my junior year at SMU I lived at "The Place" (where Home Depot is now) and it was going downhill back then and it was only about 15 years old. And Good God do you think I would have ever moved there had anyone remotely considered that Lake Highlands?
Just got another update on the NW Terrace property and thought I would share. Some of the folks who follow this thread might be interested in attending the meeting, which will be held at Lake Highlands United Methodist Church.
“It has been a while since I’ve had any newsworthy information regarding the NW Terrace Apartments. I have been in contact with District 10 Councilman Jerry Allen over the past two months and wanted to take this opportunity to let you know of some very positive news and information.
“From Councilman Allen’s conversations recently, a senior living developer is interested in 13 of the 20 acres at the existing NW Terrace Apartment location. I personally do not know where they are in the process, but Councilman Allen extended an invitation to the developer to attend the 3rd Quarter L Streets meeting and they have accepted. On Tues, Aug 14th, we are expecting the President of Churchill Residential (www.churchillresidential.com), Mr. Brad Forslund (http://www.churchillresidential.com/...principals.asp) to speak at the L Streets meeting on his companies involvement and plans with this property. They develop senior living facilities and is what would be developed on the 13 acres they are interested in. I as I understand it, the plans would be to demo the current structure and build new from the ground up. Councilman Allen mentioned a one bedroom would rent in the $2,500 range with their current plans.
“I also understand Councilman Allen is hoping to see townhomes on the remaining 7 acres of this property. I’m sure he will speak to this topic as well on Tuesday.
“I would encourage you all to attend this meeting to ensure this Mr. Forslund understands how excited and supportive we are to have a future partner that will send this property in a positive direction.
Sounds like a good use for the property. Does anyone have any first impressions of J. Allen?
Thanks for sharing this.
Do you know what time the meeting is being held?
Yes, 7:00 pm. Sorry--I thought that I had included the time.
Cautious but ever more hopeful in hearing this and in talking with Jerry Allen the other night during the National Night Out. He came across pretty well to me, fwiw. Definitely something of a people person and seemed to be a straight shooter.
I think this would be fantastic for the area, and I've gotten really enthused feedback from those I have discussed this with.
Cars burned in apartment parking lot
August 11th, 2007
Witnesses talk about a fire that burned 12 vehicles at the Trinity Meadows Condominiums complex in the 9600 block of Walnut Street in Dallas. (DMN - Video/editing: Ron Baselice)
Not to change the subject, but if anyone goes to the meeting tonight, would you please post? I can't make it but am very interested in what this group has to say about the proposed project.
From the L-streets meeting:
The senior living community, as explained by Brad Forslund, will occupy the NW Terrace area west of Lullwater. The current plan has a four-story central assisted living building, a three story condo/townhouse building to the north and another building (?) to the west.
He said that they are in the very early stages. Unfortunately the projector broke so he couldn't show us all the nice renderings.
If everything goes by plan, they'll close in Oct/Nov '07. Teardown would include ALL of NW Terrace, not just the land for this development.
It is not clear, what will replace the part of NW Terrace bordering Plano Rd. The talk is about townhouses there but I think nobody knows yet.
Westdale apparently sells the land for $20/sf.
Regarding Jerry Allen: I can't stand him.
He comes across too much of a good ole boy with his platitudes (that he doesn't back up with anything) like "those guys are good people to do business with" and directed at the L-streets audience "you are good people and good things come to good people". Barf.
Papa Allen also made it a point to come back and indoctrinate people to vote FOR the trinity tollway, because "those are good guys and they know what they are doing".
One hilarious discussion during this meeting was between two gung ho loudmouths in the audience who seriously wanted to have Dallas Police at future meetings to tell them to watch over dumpster divers. As if Dallas Police has time to watch over trash. LOL.
Lake Highlands is against recycling???Originally Posted by galore
"Ultimately, helmet laws save a few brains but destroy many hearts."
- T.J. DeMarco
I have to agree, but Jerry Allen is a nice guy. He just lacks the political polish you would expect from a representative from this district. To hear him speak you would think he just rode in from East Texas in the back of a pick up truck. Not that there is anything wrong with East Texas, I have just never heard that thick country boy accent from someone who spent their entire life in LH. He's only been in office two months so I am still giving him time to see what he can do before I write him off completely. He was pretty much hand picked by LHAIA to run for that council seat.Originally Posted by galore
And yet, we haven't heard a thing from LHAIA since April when it hosted the mayoral forum.He was pretty much hand picked by LHAIA to run for that council seat.
I agree that he may still be learning the ropes. Plus, the only thing worse than learning a new job is learning a new job with people watching and scrutinizing you all the time.
Did you ever listen to Bill Blaydes? Some say Sheffie (wWw '63) has an accent too...he sounds perfectly normal to me
Not that there's anything wrong with an accent. My parents are/were from the Paris, Texas area and I enjoy a good Texas accent and all the dialects and variations. We need more of them!
Ahhh can usually turn mine on or off...
He at least has a deep booming voice that makes you listen, also because he is a very loud talker, but he does not make you envision Mayberry and the Andy Griffith Show.Originally Posted by Lakewooder
ask and you will receive...this just in via email
[B]Please join us Monday, August 20th at 7:00pm for the Lake Highlands Area Improvement Association’s Quarterly General Membership Meeting and catch up on what is going on in Lake Highlands! The meeting will be held in the Lake Highlands Freshman Center Auditorium, 10200 White Rock Trail.
For more information please contact, LHAIA Executive Vice President, Samuel Stiles, copied above.
Look forward to seeing everyone on Monday!
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I saw the Churchill Residential's presentation was posted on the L Streets website already - about half way down their home page. www.lstreets.org
Regarding Jerry Allen, so far he does what he says he is going to do, which goes a long way in my book.
I hope my comments didn't come across as picking on Allen's accent (I actually like twang). I didn't like what he said, not how he pronounced it.
I hope the impression that I got from him is wrong. On the plus side, he appears to be enthusiastic about LH.
Who gives a crap about a person's voice or their accent? For all I care - we could get Fran D (whatever the spelling is - the lady from The Nanny with that whiny voice). As long as the person does good stuff for the district and city - they could be a freaking Hobbit for all I care.
I like what he said. We are tearing down NW Terrace and building a $25 Million down Senior Campus on 13 acres. Very exciting news to me! I'd rather have someone who delivers results than a smooth talker any day. In 2 years, we'll see a reminder on Plano Road and NW Highway on what he helped facilitate.
The chit chat in between is necessary - but at the end of the day, what did he accomplish and was it done with integrity? That is what is important to me. I'm not suggesting this wouldn't have happened without Councilman Allen's involvement, but he apparently is talking to the right people to get this type of project moving in a positive direction. Having built a relationship with Churchill so quickly and to have them attend a neighborhood assocation meeting speaks a lot about Councilman Allen to me. That is not an easy task.
He does appear to be very enthusiastic about LH and generally wants to do good things in the area from what I have heard so far. And he's attended more National Night Outs and Neighborhood Meetings in two months than some previous councilmans I can remember in their entire term.
Two months in, two thumbs up.
I understand what you meant because I have seen him speak a couple of times. But it is the whole package of speech coupled with, as you put it perfectly, "platitudes" that is a turn off. If you do not have something to say, then be quiet and listen. It is easier to seem intelligent by being quiet and brooding or contemplative then talkative with nothing to say.Originally Posted by galore
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I am not very sure he had a lot to do with getting Churchill in this deal. From what I understand, Westdale was not returning his calls and he did not find about this until the back end of it. Churchill is smart to get him into the game now because now they need him when it comes to the re-zoning and do not be surprised if they look for a tax abatement of some type from the city. I like the idea, but why not wait until it is a done deal before you announce it. It still does not close until the forth quarter and the commercial real estate capital markets are not real liquid right now.Originally Posted by LHLH
Maybe Churchill needs a final boost somewhere along the line before the deal is finalized and they figured that it would happen if the project has community support. Look at Prescott--they did their LHTC presentation before they closed on the apartments, and I have to believe that the community's enthusiasm and interest in the deal brought some good karma to the whole thing. Just a thought.
I could not agree more especially since the City of Dallas finalized the TIF after the Prescott presentation to community. Goes more to my point that Jerry Allen is secondary to the NW Terrace deal. Churchill only needs him now; he does not get credit for putting the deal together yet because he has not added anything. He has not screwed up or done anything wrong but I am not patting him on the back for a job well done yet, because the job just started. If the $20 PSF purchase number is correct then Westdale made $6 million on a land play with only a couple month hold so they get the pat on the back right now, brilliant.
Let’s see what he can do when he has to start swimming with the rest of the cut throat sharks at city hall only interested in their individual districts. He is going to start having to play "tit for tat" to get things done. First item will be when Churchill needs a waiver to cut down all those trees and not replace them. And I think the city should kick in, at the very least, the cost for the asbestos remediation to get that eye sore torn down, be it tax abatements or something else.
I think old folks homes are a great idea. We should build a moat around LH with them. ipe:
I hope they get an architect who can design around those trees. I think that the mature trees are a big asset on this property. Not necessarily from an ecological point of view but from an asthetic point of view. So pretty! Can you imagine how much it would cost to actually plant mature trees like these?Originally Posted by buddhaismissing
How much does a City of Dallas Councilman get paid? I was just curious.
Does anyone expect $38,500 to draw a lot of experienced, polished, political savvy candidates?
All those people are off makeing $100K + somewhere in the business world.
So you think none of them is experienced, polished or politically savvy? I think a number of them have other better paying jobs and the flexibility to do both.
That is probably true.
I'm just trying to make the point that Jerry Allen has done a good job so far and appears to be a good person overall with good intentions. People jump on the band wagon of "I don't like him...". But fail to realize he is probably doing this as an act of service to LH more than anything. I'd rather support him than try to pick him apart after two months on the job.
Interesting reading the part I bolded, as well as the rest of the posts now that I'm back from other things. I was communicated, less than a week after the election, from someone attached at the hip to the Allen camp, that Blaydes pulled out of the race (using the ubiquitous, politican's excuse of needing more time for family/personal/business) when Allen announced he would run. Allen has lived in White Rock Valley for eons, and knows the hood -- he went to LH High School too and he works for DART.Originally Posted by buddhaismissing
Now, if this bolded statement is correct, why did LHAIA push Jerry to run and abandon Blaydes? Just something to think about.
Next... I hope, if you live in LH, you spend the 25 bucks a year to get The White Rocker community newspaper each Friday (no website, very local). Today's issue has a front page article talking about Jerry Allen's Residential Construction Symposium that he held at the Royal Oaks Country Club last week with reps from LH "builders, renovaters, and developers currently building in LH, as well as more than 20 LH Neighborhood leaders."
Jerry is quoted as "it's important that everyone [involved] comes to the table for open dialogue."
Jerry also is quoted as saying "In order for neighborhoods to grow the way we want them to, we need to know where each other is coming from and then we can lead in the same direction."
My first big point is this: Did anybody in an LH NA home know about this meeting and did anybody in your NA tell you they were going? I did not know, in WRVNA.
Did LHAIA tell anybody on their vast email list, or post it on their website so you could go or provide them with your thoughts? Nope.
Now, I want you to read both those quotes above from Jerry again, in light of who was at the meeting, and consider this in light of the earlier "good old boy" and "they are a good company" platitude statements above by some posters, and then come to your own decisions how you want to proceed with our new freshman Allen.
The only people at the mtg, feeding Jerry ideas, were builders and renovators and NA reps. Wgat NA reps -- does not say. Did any NA reps get pre-ideas from their NA? I don't know.
PLUS, this whole meeting Q&A and session was facilitated by Jack White, LHAIA board member. Jack White is a realtor for Ebby Halliday, and Ebby H is extensively involved in selling Elizabeth Newman Custom Homes -- that replace teardowns -- in LH, esp. in WR Valley. He is the agent for the huge monstrosity at 7931 Eagle.
Now, think about it and then decide if you want to attend the LHAIA meeting next week to ask Jack White why he communicated nothing about this meeting to us all.
And think about why Allen would be quoted as saying "In order for neighborhoods to grow the way we want them to, we need to know where each other is coming from and then we can lead in the same direction."
It would be nice to ask him "Jerry, whose direction is it if you only hear from builders and realters and renovaters and NA reps who have not solicited from us homeowners about your meeting?"
Enjoy your weekend of thought!
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I think there are some potentially key issues brought forth by more skeptical posters. However, I'd also say there are often so many facts involved that it's very difficult to determine what's really going on, especially with a man (Jerry Allen) who has such a brief track record as councilman.
I think it's important, though keeping a helping of skepticism, to be hopeful and, to coin him, "positive" through this. By that I mean there is a tendency for things to feed off each other. If the community is enthused and has some belief, they're much more likely to help get behind such a project as this NW Terrace teardown and redevelopment. Too much of the distrust can act to bog things down.
Not saying to be pollyannaish and believe everything you hear; just strike a balance and hope for the best.
If this thing comes off as we all hope (including redeveloping the portion east of Lullwater into something palatable, inevitably), then credit all the way around, whatever exactly occurred and in what order to get the deal done.
History note... I learned from them that Bargiames was named after an old Greek guy and is correctly pronounced "Bar-ZHIA-mays."[/QUOTE]
Actually, Bargaimes was name of the family that had a farm there until the early 1970's. There daughter was a few years ahead of me at LHHS. The correct pronunciation is "barshaymes".
KBilly, did you ever consider writing him a letter or sending him an email to convey your thoughts and concerns? It would be impractical for every meeting Jerry Allen is involved with to include open doors to the public. And NA representatives means they represent the neighborhood but not necessarily every single resident's thoughts and opinions. Again, and I'm sure you do, you can contact WRVNA to voice your thoughts and concerns. And, did you consider that perhaps they will discuss their conclusions at the meeting tomorrow and be open for public imput? There are no secrets here, no smoke and mirrors, no behind the back deals, just you with your "reporting" trying to spin something out of nothing. I'm beginning to think you won't be happy with any District 10 council representatives until you yourself holds the position.Originally Posted by KBilly
And who's house did you tear down to build your high-class "dream home"?Originally Posted by KBilly
FYI, just received this in my inbox. Incidentally, I do not see it on the LHAIA website, but perhaps that's because the website is on its way to being new and improved, as mentioned in the agenda above.Lake Highland Area Improvement Association
Lake Highland Freshman Center
Monday, August 20, 2007
7:00 pm Welcome
Lake Highland Area Improvement Association
7:10 pm LBJ Pedestrian Bridge and Public Art
Public Art Coordinator
City of Dallas
7:30 pm LBJ/Skillman Gateway – The Next Frontier
Lake Highland Area Improvement Association
7:50 pm Exciting Times at Forest Meadow Jr. High
8:10 pm LHAIA Web Site News
Lake Highland Area Improvement Association
8:30 pm Presidents Update and Closing Remarks
Lake Highland Area Improvement Association
Once again, due to the short notice, I can't attend tonight, but if someone does, please post. Thanks!
For the most part, the area south of Walnut Hill was developed prior to 1970.Originally Posted by lholdie
For example, 7715 Deer Trail Run was built in 1957.
I am not disputing the name origin, just the time line. Perhaps they sold their farm in the early 1950's.
There were two generations of Bargiames in Dallas. James Bargiames was a Greek immigrant and started Candyland candy store in Downtown circa 1910 or so. He did rather well and dabbled in real estate some, owning some apartment complexes, rent houses and land. His son James Jr. owned the Ambassador Club on Ervay. The elder father lived on Euclid in HP, the son lived in LH.
The Bargiames Lane area was owned by the Bargiames family and was annexed into the City of Dallas in 1954. The municipal service center on Goforth was built that same year. The annexation that year geographically included everything north of Northwest Highway, south of Kingsley and west of Jupiter.
Originally with the annexation, White Rock Trail was to be renamed White Rock Parkway, widened, and would become a major north-west route.
I do not know if there was a farm home there or not. I would assume so, since that area had many horse stables and liveries. At one time, there were over 200 horses living in that area off Goforth, under the care of 1/2 a dozen livery/stables.
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Excellent piece of local history. Thanks for taking the time to post this.
Did anyone go to the meeting last nite?
I checked, but didn't see anything related to the thread. Can you specify? ThanksOriginally Posted by Lakewooder
The area code mentioned in the article is in Lake Highlands.
Originally Posted by LH_Newbie
It didn't take me to the right story the first time I clicked on it, but took me right there the 2nd time, so maybe it has rotating stories.
So nobody went to the LHAIA meeting?
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