Whats going up in the background of the the third crane shot?
I'm sure it won't. There's nothing else spectacular about anything they've done so far, from placing it in Arlington to building even more surface lots, so why should that change now?Originally Posted by gc
Whats going up in the background of the the third crane shot?
It's the addition to the Hospital. Arlington Memorial I think.
There is no question that it will be done right. But any urbanist will hate the new park because their city doesn't have it.
Besides, FOOTBALL IS A SURFACE PARKING SPORT! Tailgating would look really stupid in a mutli-story garage.
FYIW, I'm going to the game this weekend. Go Romo!
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Listen to the Dividing Line, Pirate Christian Radio, CARM, White Horse Inn and RTS University the most nowadays.....
Then football has no home in a place worth caring about.Originally Posted by mikedsjr
I also will be there.Sec.128.Drink,eat, give the colts the loss,and drink to it afterwards. :1stplace:Originally Posted by mikedsjr
Originally Posted by UrbanLandscape
I totally disagree. Millions of people around America would disagree. I meant to say a car sport. I am not saying that parking garages couldn't be used. It's just that Tailgating inside a parking garage looks really stupid. There has to be surface parking for football.
Listen to the Dividing Line, Pirate Christian Radio, CARM, White Horse Inn and RTS University the most nowadays.....
07:46 PM CST on Thursday, November 16, 2006
By JEFF MOSIER / The Dallas Morning News
When Feb. 6, 2011 rolls around, local civic leaders want nearly a billion people tuned into to Arlington.
A coalition of government and business leaders announced their intention Thursday to prepare a formal bid to bring Super Bowl XLV to the new Dallas Cowboys stadium. If successful, it would be the area's first Super Bowl.
Arlington Mayor Robert Cluck said the new state-of-the-art, retractable-roof dome and central location make this the perfect spot for a Super Bowl. Now, it's up to a group of volunteers to assemble a package that will convince the National Football League.
"This bid isn't automatic," Dr. Cluck said, warning that there's hard work ahead. "If we do it together, we can't fail."
Dr. Cluck was joined by Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and the mayors of Dallas, Fort Worth and Irving – the current home of the Cowboys.
The North Texas Super Bowl Bid Committee has an April 2 deadline to present the NFL with a convincing package. In late May, committee members will make a 15-minute presentation in person at the NFL owners' meeting. A specific date and location haven't been announced.
Is there either a construction cam, or someone who's in Arlington enough to take pics of ongoing constuction? I decided to quit pouting about the location and enjoy watching the stadium go up. It isn't often we get to watch such a massive project rise.
I work a couple miles away and will try to keep snapping pics but I can't see down into the bowl so I am not much help until it gets above ground.
The design is a little underwhelming, but Jones is a genius. What better way to appeal to such a deeply rooted fan base than to build a stadium that is a throwback to the team's halcyon days?
anyone seen the design for Valencia FC's new stadium. I always say the actual bowl of the Euro stadiums are banal, but they sure know how to skin a stadium. I hope JerryWorld is more along that line of thinking than Texas Stadium.
Only in Arlington will you find a $600+ million football stadium across from a Wal-Mart and a garden-variety gated apartment community.
You guys suck, i keep on thinking there is a new update on the stadium.
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Wasnt there supposed to be a press conference in early december for the official unveiling of the plans?
Did you actually expect them to follow through? They really haven't done anything right so far. Why start now?Originally Posted by jammin
Just got word, the stadium will be revealed next Tuesday. I'm not guaranteeing this, but this is my understanding.
New stadium may widen social divisions
Cowboys officials say venue will offer fun for all fans, but some aren't so sure
12:15 AM CST on Sunday, December 10, 2006
By MICHAEL GRANBERRY / The Dallas Morning News
From the moment team president Tex Schramm spotted luxury suites at a soccer stadium in Mexico City and decided to import the concept to the new Texas Stadium, the Dallas Cowboys have been trendsetters in design and in pulling every conceivable dollar from the building where they play.
Their new stadium, whose closely guarded secrets will be unveiled at a gala Tuesday night in Arlington, promises to carry many of the attributes that Texans hold dear. The cost of the stadium has swelled to $1 billion. Expectations are for nothing less than the biggest and the best of its kind, easily the most lavish of any stadium anywhere in the world.
The retractable-roof venue, with a capacity of 80,000 and ranging up to 100,000 for select events, is expected to deliver on much of what Arlington residents hoped for in voting to finance $325 million of the stadium's cost, or half its original estimate. It should elevate the city's profile while serving as a magnet for marquee events.
"The Cowboys are one of the world's premier sports franchises, and their new stadium promises to reflect that status," said Greg Aiello, spokesman for the National Football League. "The facility will be a tremendous new asset to the Dallas-Fort Worth community. It will certainly take the experience of attending Cowboys games to an entirely new level and will benefit the region in many positive ways, both tangibly and otherwise."
Others, however, worry more about the intangibles. While the stadium figures to make good on much of its bounty – hosting the Super Bowl, the NCAA Final Four basketball championship, college football's Bowl Championship Series title game and maybe even the annual Texas-Oklahoma game – critics are concerned about a deeper, sociological issue.
Article continues at the link.
Thank God they didn't do this in Fair Park. While the Cotton Bowl needs some serious work, Jeri Jones wouldn't have been satisfied unless the entire nature of Fair park disapeared. Can you imagine the caniption fits we'd be having if Jones was trying to pull this secret shit at fair park? Or tried to plop a Euro metal Stadium in Fair park?
Sucks for arlington, they are paying 300+ million dollars, and all the out of town media will still say Dallas.
but now they paid $300M for a $1B stadium. Better deal than thought. Can't wait for the renderings after tonight.
$325 million is $325 million. Dallas didn't get a better deal for the AAC because Cuban upped the ante on the design. Still have to its part, and live with the detriments not having that huge amount(really huge for a suburb) of money is still not available for much needed services.
I am pretty sure this has been the plan all along. They have been talking about here and there on the ticket.Originally Posted by rantanamo
“We shape our Cities, thereafter they shape us.”
There's a gala scheduled for tomorrow where it will be unveiled. Don't know if the GP will see it, but someone will.
Tuesday, December 12, 2006
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Speaker: Robin Woith, Dallas Cowboys
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a 9000 sq. ft video board
Have to give credit. Awesome stadium, but what were the secrets all about?
Borrowed this from the FW forum. Interesting read/ridiculous article.
From today's Star Telegram (online):
Drop 'Dallas' from Cowboys' name? Maybe so - O.K. CARTER
On an Arlington Woman’s Club sightseeing history tour of Arlington via bus last week, one of the members asked an intriguing question, which was this: “Will Dallas still be part of the Dallas Cowboys name when they come to Arlington?”
Here’s the thing. Though the club’s several hundred members have widely varied cultural and social service interests, the marketing and branding of pro sports franchises are not typical conversational topics.
That the question came up at all within this group is, from this perspective, an indication that this is a subject of interest that deeply permeates the community at all strata. After all, while the Cowboys play in Irving they’re still in Dallas County. But there won’t even be a county connection once the new stadium opens in 2009. Plus, Arlington will have dropped $325 million as its share of the stadium cost, plus who knows how many more millions for supporting roads and infrastructure? So maybe the town is entitled to a piece of that brand itself.
That being said, there’s this: Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has never publicly entertained, hinted, suggested or teased the idea of dropping “Dallas” from the Cowboys’ name. He might have had a dream or two about the possibility, but if he did, he kept that particular nightmare to himself.
What he has, you see, is one of the most valuable sports brands on the planet and a ton of contractual agreements based on that name that produce a sea of cash. So hey, let’s put the question in personal terms: If you owned the Dallas Cowboys, would you do anything to damage that brand?
Nevertheless, such events do occur in sports, apparently with little damage. For example the New England Patriots, winners of several Super Bowls, were once the Boston Patriots. The Utah Jazz was once the New Orleans Jazz. In each case the franchises are worth considerably more with the new monikers than the old.
This particular topic is likely to warm up a bit as the new stadium rises to its future 20-story height. In fact, the warm-up is under way.
“The Cowboys - America’s team, as they are so commonly referred to - do not require a long dead and unwarranted association with Dallas, with the city or county,” says Jerry Thiel, a long-time Arlington community activist.
“Perpetuation of that association is a disservice and insult to Arlington and Tarrant County, where the team will play; to Fort Worth, which is closer to the new stadium than Dallas; to Irving and to every other community outside of the city of Dallas.”
Yes, Thiel does tend to rant on occasion, but always with some well-thought-out research - he’s an expert on demographic analysis - to back his ideas. The suspicion is that he’s singing a refrain that will steadily pick up steam over the next couple of years. He also makes another couple of good points.
“Dallas’ name recognition and image have benefited greatly from song, sports teams and the popular TV series,” he says. “Unfortunately, my research for the Fort Worth CVB has shown this to be of great detriment to Fort Worth, Arlington and Tarrant County overall. There is certainly no reason for Jones to contribute to that disservice. Adjusting his team’s name to The Cowboys or The Texas Cowboys - a nice bookend with the Rangers - is the least he can do to acknowledge the predominant base of his organization’s support. Everyone in Tarrant County should insist on it.”
That’s well said - unfortunately in no way any part of the agreement between Arlington and the Cowboys - but who can say? A lot can change between now and 2009.
Cowboys' new stadium should be boon for team, area
09:55 AM CST on Tuesday, December 12, 2006
Don't whine about the use of taxpayer money to help build the Cowboys' new stadium. It's irrelevant because the taxpayers aren't getting ripped off.
Trust me, the City of Arlington will benefit from the stadium, which is to open in 2009. So will the City of Dallas, though Laura Miller didn't get the deal done. So will the City of Irving, which is losing the Cowboys after more than 30 years.
And it will provide a legacy for Jerry Jones that goes far beyond the three Super Bowl trophies the franchise has won in his 17 years as owner. When Jerry's grandchildren are running the franchise, this stadium will still be generating revenues at a high rate that benefit the Dallas-Fort Worth area.
Championships create civic pride, lasting memories and mounds of merchandising cash for the franchise. But this stadium will help others get rich while providing an economic boon for several communities.
All you have to do is look at Valley Ranch, an isolated part of town in the middle of nowhere before the Cowboys arrived in the late '80s. Now, it's booming with restaurants and retail. It has overpriced houses and a recently built high school about a mile from the facility.
The same type of economic growth will occur in Arlington, Dallas and Fort Worth. The Jones family is going to eventually make millions – maybe billions – but there's an unwritten rule that says rich folks shouldn't make money, especially on a billion-dollar project.
Sorry, this is the capitalistic world we live in. Not apologizing for that. More important, the stadium gives others an opportunity to cash in.
"This is part of the franchise, the legacy of the Dallas Cowboys," Jones said of the stadium. "We don't think we own the Cowboys. The fans do."
Jerry is tight with his money, but when he does spend it, he wants the best. Think about it as it relates to the Cowboys. For a decade, the Cowboys always had one of the NFL's lowest-paid coaches.
When Jerry figured out that was a dumb way to run the team, he spent more than $4 million per season to lure Bill Parcells out of retirement and made him one of the game's highest-paid coaches. For years, the Cowboys always had one of the NFL's lowest-paid kickers until Jerry decided he was tired of losing games because of poor kickers. Then he gave Mike Vanderjagt, the most accurate kicker in NFL history, a $2.5 million signing bonus.
Obviously it didn't work out, but that's not the point. Once Jerry decided to spend money, he went after the best. He's taking the same approach with the stadium because it's going to be more than just the Cowboys' home field.
It will make Dallas one of the premier sports cities in the nation. Dallas is already among the best simply because it has teams in each of the four major sports, two high-profile golf tournaments, NASCAR and IRL races and Division I-A football and basketball in addition to having Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma within four hours.
Places like New Orleans, Atlanta, Minnesota and Phoenix have hosted Final Fours or Super Bowls because of their sports facilities and vast number of hotel rooms.
Once the stadium is completed, the Dallas-Fort Worth area will surpass them. Dallas is getting a Super Bowl soon after the stadium opens. Eventually, it will get the Big 12 championship football game. At some point, the stadium will get Texas-OU or some soon-to-be-created matchup like Texas-Arkansas.
The Cotton Bowl will come to Arlington, and sooner or later, the BCS Championship game. A Final Four will come and, maybe, a World Cup Final or a Summer Olympics.
And we haven't even talked about the concerts and conventions. Think the Rolling Stones or Promise Keepers couldn't fill it up? There will also be a Cowboys Hall of Fame open daily as well as tours of the stadium that will draw people to Dallas-Fort Worth, where they will spend dollars whether it's on food, lodging, additional entertainment or at the mall.
The facility will draw events. The nation's fourth-busiest airport will draw others. The availability of hotel rooms, not to mention the new properties sure to open after the stadium is completed, will influence other events to come here.
Jerry's natural charisma and ability to sell will take care of the
"All you have to do is look at Valley Ranch, an isolated part of town in the middle of nowhere before the Cowboys arrived in the late '80s. Now, it's booming with restaurants and retail. It has overpriced houses and a recently built high school about a mile from the facility. "
Wow, talk about hyperbole. I'm sure that area would still be a desolate prairie if not for that practice facility. Yeah, metro growth and location had nothing to do with that. Thanks Jean-Jaques for your insight into urban economics.
I knew all of this crazy talk would happen. Its just that, crazy talk. The Stadium building itself, though is fantastic. Congrats to Arlington. But all the secrecy was over the top.
^Yep, crazy talk indeed. The naming of the team is not an emotional issue for Jerry Jones -- it's a business issue. He's got the most valuable brand in all of sports, the "Dallas Cowboys", and I'd be shocked if he threw that away.
The stadium looks terrific. I'm still so sad this is not in Dallas, but oh well, c'est la vie.
I imagine this will make the Cowboys by far the most valuable sports franchise in the world? They were already pretty close to the top of the list. Add 1.1 billion grrr to the list.
This new stadium has somehow reached back in my timeline to comfort the child that cried for a week after Pittsburg beat Dallas in the superbowl.
Word, and sorry for the following flamethrowing, but...Originally Posted by rantanamo
to those prideful Tarrant County residents who, ummm understandablly, would relish a brand name change to The Dallas Cowboys, tough titty. Dallas is taking over your county, and with the first kick-off in the new stadium, Arlington offically becomes part of Dallas.
I'm sorry, but has no one else noticed how five years ago this stadium looks? And how the parking lots come right up next to it? It looks terrible. I'm sorry I have nothing good to say about it but I just don't see how there is anything good about it.
Five years ago? Not really. The whole glass end wall thing has only been done on baseball parks so far and on Indy's new stadium that will open in a couple of years. The jumbotron will be the world's largest. The roof will be the largest retractable. Looks pretty futuristic to me. If you mean it resembles Texas Stadium, I imagine that was on purpose. Its like, instead of going with something totally different, they went for what Texas Stadium would be if they built it today kind of look.
It looks exactly like Texas Stadium with a little bit of glass and steel. So I'm unimpressed.
I might be in the minority here, but I think it looks amazing!!! I can only imagine how great this would if it landed near DT Dallas!!!
I'm sorry, but that is the most aesthetically pleasing stadium I've ever seen. It mixes ultra-modernism with classic lines. The Pantheon meets the 21st century...beautiful. The only thing not to like is its location.Originally Posted by UrbanLandscape
Texas Stadium is the most recognizable football stadium in the country; they would be a fool not to play off its design.
are these people going to a football game or to the opera?
I'll say what i said on SSP: I'm underwhelmed. yeah it looks "nice" and is an updated version of Texas stadium, but over a billion dollars for a cleaned up Texas stadium surrounded by ... parking lots.
And I still submit it looks too much like the Cardinals stadium in Glendale.
Originally Posted by tamtagon
cant we all just get along
Only from the inside does it even vaguely resemble the Cardinals stadium.Originally Posted by ajmstilt
uhhhh.... football is a "parking lot" sport!
Where would you tailgate otherwise????
even if this was downtown, or at fair park, there would be THOUSANDS of new parking spots next door.
:biggrin3: I especially like the rendering of the club space with the player walking through in uniform.Originally Posted by maconahey
THANK YOU!Originally Posted by mrowl
Parking garages would be useful if it rained on the tailgating,but F that.....I can put my hand over my beer!
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