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Phoenix is a destination, dallas? not so much.Originally Posted by St-T
Shreveport just poured millions into their stadium, so the independence bowl is staying.
The Ft. Worth Bowl has a new sponsor, its staying.
The Houston Bowl is backed by the city, and Reliant Stadium, its not going anywhere.
All of the Big 12 bowls are set. Don't see a change for a long time.
The only chance would be a lesser bowl, Conference USA maybe. But then you would only draw a crowd of 10,000? to a 90,000 seat stadium? bad idea.
^ I like your thoughts my friend....St-T.....that is..
“We shape our Cities, thereafter they shape us.”
AMEN!!
I actually think that it is good that all of the speculation is almost over. Dallas needs to dust itself off and get ready to steal every bit of collateral activity that the new stadium will bring. If we do this right, 10 years from now, Arlington will feel like they got shafted on the whole deal. Anything that happens in that stadium will have Dallas' name attached to it. To the rest of the world, Arlington and Ft. Worth are both just suburbs of Dallas anyway.
Arlington will feel like it got shafted? The citizens of Arlington are going to really hate having the cowboys, a likely BCS bowl every year, Final Fours, etc.I actually think that it is good that all of the speculation is almost over. Dallas needs to dust itself off and get ready to steal every bit of collateral activity that the new stadium will bring. If we do this right, 10 years from now, Arlington will feel like they got shafted on the whole deal. Anything that happens in that stadium will have Dallas' name attached to it. To the rest of the world, Arlington and Ft. Worth are both just suburbs of Dallas anyway.
I do agree with you that the collateral damage won't be as great as advertised - most people will still book hotels in Dallas for these events, but it's still a huge shot to the gut of Dallas, and the people that run this city.
How well did it work out for Irving?
I can think of so many better uses for that bond money, right now. I say give it to the Woodall Rodgers Deck Park folks. Maybe then we won't need a corporate sponsor, and they can get started immediately. Give it to DART so the agency can build a Love Field tunnel/station under the terminal. Give it to DART to hold in escrow for a E-W line going by the stadium in Arlington, on its way to Ft. Worth. Build a convention center hotel with it. Hire about 30 preservationists and dispatch them throughout the City with the mission of identifying/designating/saving whichever historical structures we have left, then hire 100 new DPD officers. . .I mean recruit some seasoned cops, from around the country, who've proven their ability to fight crime. The list goes on.
Just don't flush any more money down the "Cotton Hole!"
A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool because he has to say something. - Plato
A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool because he has to say something. - Plato
Yes, it should be torn down and all businesses and people should move to Arlington immediately.
12:35 PM CST on Tuesday, February 27, 2007
If we can be honest, the Cotton Bowl had become an irrelevant game played in an outdated stadium.
For that we can blame politicians like Mayor Laura Miller for lacking the foresight to do what it took to facilitate a deal with Jerry Jones to ensure that his new stadium was built in Dallas County. It's too late for the $50 million now approved to give the stadium a facelift.
There's no guarantee the Cotton Bowl will ever be relevant again, which is sad. In its day, it was a great game that generated wonderful memories spanning decades and generations.
The only hope for the game to become a major player in college football again is if it's in the Cowboys' new domed stadium. Given Jones' influence and a state-of-the-art stadium, maybe the game could become part of the BCS championship game rotation in a few years. Or if the BCS decides to add another game, the Dallas-Fort Worth area would have to be one of the more attractive sites.
It's too bad it had to come to this, but blame the politicians – not the Cowboys – as it relates to this matter. After all, it was the City of Dallas that stood still and watched the Cotton Bowl leave. Trust me, the Texas-OU game is next, followed by the annual Grambling-Prairie View A&M game.
At this rate, it's only a matter of time until the City of Dallas becomes a virtual sports ghost town.
I thikn if the city spends money to fix the cbowl up now, it would be closing the barn door after the cow left. It seems to be wasting money on something that already lost. They should be spending it on things that will contribute more to the city instead like the TRP or the woodall rodgers park. Or even something really outrageous like DISD so that people will be more willing to relocate families to the city. There is so much more potential for the money than the cotton bowl now because that ship has sailed. If it was 5 years ago, it would be different
Also....Dallas is not a sports ghost town. That article was ridiculous. I didnt realize that defending western conference champs and 2nd in the division stars arent true sports like a once a year red river rivalry. Yea the Cotton Bowl will lost a lot of charm when it leaves its namesake stadium but its not the end of Dallas sports. I wanted it to stay too but lets not be melodramatic about it leaving. Its moving to a great venue that is still in DFW and it frees up a lot of funds that can be put to better use.
I am not rational on this subject today, so maybe I shouldn't comment. I am so mad I could spit. And I'd like to spit directly on someone's facelift.
Same here. I'm trying to figure out a persuasive argument to present to Grand Prairie for building a wall along SH 360.
Does this mean that Arlington will quietly drop their plans to ask Dallas to throw its support behind the Super Bowl bid? "Hey, I know I just ran off with your wife *and* your mistress, but can you help cater the wedding?"
One thing's for sure, though. That stadium has "COTTON BOWL" in big ol' letters, and those babies are ATTACHED. If Jerry wants to come and pry them off, he can go right ahead and TRY.
As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals... Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience's sake. - B. Obama 1/20/09
Am I the only one who sees the irony in this statement?
After watching today's press conference, I feel very good about the the Cotton Bowl Classic becoming a BCS bowl game once it moves out to Arlington. I mean, the CBAA chairman all but said that's what he expects to happen in the next couple of years.
A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool because he has to say something. - Plato
Don't confuse not sinking any more money into the Cotton Hole with tearing it down.
A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool because he has to say something. - Plato
Well, they do have the "And One" BCS title game, so maybe adding a permanent fifth BCS bowl would expedite the featuring of the Cotton Bowl as such, assuming that it moves to Arlington.
The Alamo, Texas, Citrus and Peach Bowls all want in on that fifth game, too but the Cotton Bowl's clout is stronger, so I'd think it would have a serious edge.
Celebrating the urban greatness of Texas: Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, Austin, El Paso and Fort Worth.
More hotel/retail/tourism business for Dallas to go after. The games may be in Arlington but who is God's name wants to stay out there?
someone who doesn't want the $50 cab ride?
Those folks can use that $50 to stay in one of the many cheap rundown motels located in Arlington.
Good, the cheapskates can stay in Arlington.
High rollers are welcome in DTD.
Cotton Bowl moving to ArlingtonBy ANDREA AHLES
STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITER
Star-Telegram / M.L. Gray
Bruce Gadd, chairman of the Cotton Bowl Athletic Association, announces the Cotton Bowl Classic's move to the new Texas Stadium.
Earlier: Dallas mayor says move would be disappointing
The Cotton Bowl Board unanimously voted Tuesday to move the 71-year-old football classic to the new Cowboys football stadium in Arlington. The first Cotton Bowl Classic would be played in the stadium in 2010.
"We view this as a move to the greatest stadium ever built," said Bruce Gadd, bowl game chairman.
The agreement between the Cotton Bowl and the Cowboys is a 10-year deal with five five-year options, which could keep the game in Arlington for 35 years, said Rick Baker, Cotton Bowl Athletic Association president.
The city of Arlington has not offered any financial incentives to bring the game to the new stadium, but has been supportive of the move, Gadd said.
The Cotton Bowl generates $28 million to $38 million in economic impact for the city and county of Dallas, Gadd said. Cotton Bowl officials expect the majority of that money to remain in Dallas even after the bowl game moves to Arlington.
fixed.
Does the Cotton Bowl keep its "clout" when it becomes the AT&T Formerly-In-The-Cotton-Bowl JerryWorld Classic?
As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals... Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience's sake. - B. Obama 1/20/09
It didn't matter for the FedEx Formerly in-the-orange-bowl ProPlayer Classic.
Thanks for clearing that up. I really believe the stadium is worth saving and am disappointed that the game will be played elsewhere, but on the other hand, I can see where this is good for the Cotton Bowl game. Since the creation of the BCS it has been sliding and I don't see it recovering without help.
That said, the venue is worth saving. I realize I'm may be the only one, but it is nice to go to a game in an old stadium every now and again. There is value in that and sometimes I wonder if we miss the boat a bit not emphasizing that fact as opposed to claiming that the old place is "just as good" as the new ones. It's not, but it has a lot of things the new parks will never have and it would be a bigger shame if we lost that too.
Point made. By god, they don't even call it the Peach Bowl anymore or even the Chik Fil-A Peach Bowl.
It's the Chik Fil-A Bowl.
Bah!
Celebrating the urban greatness of Texas: Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, Austin, El Paso and Fort Worth.
and Fort Worth for the same reason.
Listen to the Dividing Line, Pirate Christian Radio, CARM, White Horse Inn and RTS University the most nowadays.....
Think of it like outsourcing. Send the work over to Arlington and host the fun stuff in the big cities since that is where people will want to be when they are not at the game. Since most of the money will still be flowing over here we then turn to our refurbished Cotton Bowl for new opportunites. There are always possibilities.
For Dallas, the "football-crazy" city in the quintessential football state to not even be host of football games of any significance is terrible. We all hoped for the best but planned for the worst after Jerry decided on Arlington. I personally am absolutely irate, but not at the Cotton Bowl folks. They did what they had to do. Jacques-Jean Taylor is right. This was a done deal when the city dropped the ball on the Cowboys. Fair Park needed a shot in the arm and that was it. Now it's being sucked dry because of the idiot civic leaders that severely underestimated the value of having the best stadium in the world in town. I am embarrassed to be a Dallasite right now.
For once could we get a damned sports writer/commentator whatever to go back and actually study the facts of the situation that led to the stadium being in Arlington. Nothing annoys me more and its why I stopped reading local rags a long time ago. Would it hurt for Mr. Taylor to do a little research?
Are you talking about the same Mr. Taylor that stated last year that all that development in Valley Ranch was spurred by the building of the Cowboys practice facility? I'm pretty sure he's hopeless.
Gillette stadium for the Patriots is no closer to downtown Boston than Arlington is to downtown Dallas. Unlike the Cowboys, the Patriots have won a few Super Bowls in the last 10 years with very good, if not rabid, fan support. I doubt Boston considers that stadium's location a kick in the stomach or rues the fact that the city proper hosts no significant football games.
Personally I'd like to thank Arlington for spending its taxes on facilities for other people while we get to spend our money on things that actually matter.
Why don't they tear it down and make it into an area useful for this "all year round" happy fun place? It would benefit the city of Dallas while at the same time Dallas can get benefits of having major sporting events come to town that never would have come before the new stadium in Arlington.
Leverage this for the betterment of Dallas. Making a new tradition.
Listen to the Dividing Line, Pirate Christian Radio, CARM, White Horse Inn and RTS University the most nowadays.....
Yes, and maybe Fort Worth should tear down the stockyards. For the betterment of Fort Worth. Making a new tradition.
No. Tearing it down would be a continuation of a Dallas tradition. The destructive tradition of tearing stuff down without the slightest care for terms like "historic", "memorable", or "landmark". That's a tradition we need to stop, not continue.
Now that I'm over my initial anger (and am no longer drawing up plans for a DalCo Wall with catapults and alligator-filled moats), I think things will work out for the best. The city should take another look at the expansion and refurbishment plans, but should go forward with efforts to bring additional college football to the stadium during the State Fair.
Also, there's a new women's soccer league forming (see this NPR story) that would be a perfect fit, especially with the Women's Museum just down the Esplanade.
Just don't turn it into a Monster Truck Rally site -- that would be stealing Reunion Arena's fire.
As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals... Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience's sake. - B. Obama 1/20/09
Whatever is done, I don't think any more money should be sunk in to the stadium unless/until clear objectives are identified, and long term contracts are in place. The problem I have with investing more money at this point stems from the FACTS, as I know them, at this moment in time.
1. The City has been talking to teams (i.e. TX Tech, Notre Dame, TX A&M,) for over a year, and has not announced one commitment, yet.
2. Any neutral-site college football game worth hosting will also be courted by Jerry Jones (Especially TX-OU, Army-Navy, anything involving Notre Dame, Grambling, Prairie View).
3. TX-OU's contract with the City is up in 2010, and the City has yet to secure an agreed commitment from both schools to continue play. . .even with the upgrades.
4. The same situation in No. 3 applies to the Grambling-Prairie View match up.
5. The Cotton Bowl Classic is gone after 2009.
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A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool because he has to say something. - Plato
how about bringing 2 or 3 high school football games each weekend during the fair.
Listen to the Dividing Line, Pirate Christian Radio, CARM, White Horse Inn and RTS University the most nowadays.....
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...e.389feb7.html
Cotton Bowl unlikely to draw high schools
Historic stadium remains unattractive to area athletic directors
12:45 AM CST on Wednesday, February 28, 2007
By BRIAN DAVIS / The Dallas Morning News
brdavis@dallasnews.com
The Cotton Bowl hasn't hosted a high school football game since the late 90's for various reasons. Area athletic directors don't see teams going there anytime soon, either.
Cotton Bowl manager Roland Rainey said he keeps events off the stadium's natural grass field in November and December to protect the surface for the AT&T Cotton Bowl on New Year's Day.
Protecting the grass wouldn't be a concern when the Cotton Bowl game moves to Arlington.
"Obviously that grass would hold up better than most high school stadiums," Dallas ISD athletic director Jeff Johnson said. "But most people want to play on [artificial] turf where they don't have to worry about mud and things like that."
Some athletic directors also said there are better financial reasons to play at Texas Stadium in Irving. Longtime stadium manager Bruce Hardy handles the distribution of gate receipts, which is one fewer headache for schools.
Homer Johnson said the Garland school district stopped playing games at the Cotton Bowl because stadium officials couldn't handle the business end.
"We like the Cotton Bowl," said Homer Johnson, the Garland ISD athletic director. "They were nice to us and everything. It's just a hassle."
Jeff Johnson said: "Bruce made it so you don't have to worry about anything. You just showed up and played, and that's the way you want it to be."
Lewisville ISD athletic director Neal Wilson said he would consider going to the Cotton Bowl. But like the college ADs, Wilson wants to see improvements.
"The Cotton Bowl is just an old, old facility," Wilson said. "I'd want to see the upgrades first."
Staff Writer Keith Whitmire contributed to this report.
A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool because he has to say something. - Plato
/\ These seem like easy objections to overcome --
Quote:
Originally Posted by berryhill
For Dallas, the "football-crazy" city in the quintessential football state to not even be host of football games of any significance is terrible. We all hoped for the best but planned for the worst after Jerry decided on Arlington. I personally am absolutely irate, but not at the Cotton Bowl folks. They did what they had to do. Jacques-Jean Taylor is right. This was a done deal when the city dropped the ball on the Cowboys. Fair Park needed a shot in the arm and that was it. Now it's being sucked dry because of the idiot civic leaders that severely underestimated the value of having the best stadium in the world in town. I am embarrassed to be a Dallasite right now.
I don't really agree... sure the city had a say but Jerry went to County first and the big thing that made a stadium possible for Arlington was because they don't participate in DART... in the end Dallas was not playing on a level playing field...
And considering how mamouth that stadium will end up being... personally i am glad it did not end up in Fair Park... now near Downtown wold be ok
It's a tough decision. How much money is really needed to bring the stadium up to snuff. The financial savings from years - decades maybe - of defered basic maintenance and contemporary upgrades is making it very obvious that municipal shortcuts are a terrible decision.
I firmly believe the Cotton Bowl Stadium in Fair Park is an amenity to the city that's worth the price of modern upgrades plus the restorative maintenance costs.
^I agreee. It's time for Dallas to be a can-do city again. Enough of the crying and bitching... let's do something about this!
Personally, everywhere I look I see things getting done in Dallas. (Count the cranes...)
As far as I can tell, it already IS a can-do city.
...it's not just for NCAA football games that the Cotton Bowl Stadium is worth repairing. NCAA track & field events should be recruited as well. The benefit of the stadium is not singularly found in the marquee events which come with the biggest media payouts. The more use Fair Park gets, bouyed by monthly (more or less) Cotton Bowl Stadium events, then the indirect societal benefits will overwhelm any financial payouts.
Two words: Texxas Jam!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460957/
The following excerpts from this DMN article, I thought were interesting enough to share, and summarize what many of us have been discussing for a long time.
About Arlington:
Allan Saxe, a University of Texas at Arlington political science professor who teaches a course on the city's history, said towns are usually reflections of their leaders.
A half-century ago, Arlington leaders chose growth despite a sizable minority of residents who opposed that approach. Since then, the cotton town between Dallas and Fort Worth has grown into the state's seventh-largest city and earned a reputation for dreaming big.
About Arlington's leadership compared to Dallas':
Former Mayor Elzie Odom said that on the night in 1998 when Dallas residents voted on a new arena for the Dallas Stars and Dallas Mavericks, television camera crews filled his living room.
"If the election had failed, the Mavericks and the Stars would have been here," said Mr. Odom, who also spearhead an unsuccessful campaign to bring the 2012 Summer Olympics to town.
Dr. Saxe said that in the first half of the century, Dallas was that type of "can do" city with the unified leadership of mayors such as J. Erik Jonsson and R.L. Thornton.
"Dallas had the image early on that Arlington has now," he said. "They were Big D."
Wayne Ogle, who has been on the Arlington council since 1995, said the city's leaders are well aware of the accomplishments of the past because they define the city today.
"If you want to be a great mayor in this town, it's about more than just filling potholes," he said. "Anybody can do that. But a great a mayor is one who can lift the city up to the next level."
A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool because he has to say something. - Plato
So municipalities are judged and valued by the number of sports teams that play inside their city limits?
C'mon, we have got to be smarter than that.
How well have Arlington's leaders done in providing mass transit for their residents?
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According to the AP (via Pegasus News), Dallas is indeed getting a women's professional soccer team. Unfortunately, the unnamed team in the unnamed league is said to be negotiating with FC Dallas to share Pizza Hut Park in Frisco. As detailed at Wikipedia, the former Dallas Burn originally played in... the Cotton Bowl.Also, there's a new women's soccer league forming (see this NPR story) that would be a perfect fit, especially with the Women's Museum just down the Esplanade.
Just don't turn it into a Monster Truck Rally site -- that would be stealing Reunion Arena's fire.
As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals... Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience's sake. - B. Obama 1/20/09
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