Reply With QuoteOriginally Posted by Geaux Tigers
Posted on Thu, Jul. 06, 2006
Southlake named top Metroplex suburb
By JOHN KIRSCH
STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITER
Southlake's "hip, urban feel" helped make it the Metroplex's top suburb, followed closely by Colleyville and Trophy Club, according to a ranking of 62 suburbs by D Magazine.
The magazine reported in its July issue that its rankings were based on schools, home values, safety and ambience.
Southlake was described as a family-oriented town with a blend of city and country living. Assistant City Manager Jim Blagg said the city will reprint the article and use it to attract businesses. Southlake ranked third last year.
The magazine praised Colleyville, ranked sixth, for maintaining a rural feel while controlling growth. The city ranked fifth last year.
"The results are in, and they're very good for Northeast Tarrant County," Colleyville Councilman Tom Hart said. "The area seems to be growing, and everything looks very positive."
Trophy Club moved up from 15th last year to seventh this year. The magazine described the town as a place where families go to the community pool or walk to a lake to feed the ducks. Trophy Club Mayor Nick Sanders said the ranking might boost the town's profile.
Staff writer Sarah Bahari contributed to this report.
THE 'BURBS
Top 10: 1. Southlake; 2. Parker; 3. Highland Village; 4. University Park; 5. Highland Park; 6. Colleyville; 7. Trophy Club; 8. Flower Mound; 9. Hickory Creek; 10. Murphy
Others: 21. Keller; 25. Grapevine; 34. Hurst; 38. Roanoke; 43. Mansfield; 45. Euless; 46. North Richland Hills; 47. Bedford; 53. Richland Hills; 56. Arlington; 59. Irving
SOURCE: D Magazine
By the power of greyskull!
Irving is worse than Arlington? Come oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon.
Totally bogus list. The only thing I agreed on was Midlothian has the worse air pollution score.
...and old enough to drink at 21: Keller!
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Compared to other suburbs, it makes sense. What they've done with the Town Square is really remarkable. It's truly the hub for activity in Southlake.
If all the area's suburbs had Southlake's model for economic development, I think we'd be a lot better off.
Anyways, congrats to Southlake!
it's hard for me to believe too.. Irving is changing drastically though. We are having to do deal with people who think it's nice to have parties out on their front lawns (when there are backyards??), clog up the streets with all of their cars, and have their music blasting at 3 in the morning. my parents are once again considering a move to Keller. I've had 4 close friends pack up and move to Keller within the last few months!The Keller/Southlake area seems to be the place to be for suburbs now!
All the cool kids are out here.it's hard for me to believe too.. Irving is changing drastically though. We are having to do deal with people who think it's nice to have parties out on their front lawns (when there are backyards??), clog up the streets with all of their cars, and have their music blasting at 3 in the morning. my parents are once again considering a move to Keller. I've had 4 close friends pack up and move to Keller within the last few months!
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I bet the hipster market would succeed in Southlake.
Dallas uber alles
Is Southlake the counterpart of North Lake, or on which lake's south shore is it located?
Why is this so shocking? They both suck.
Southlake is SW of Lake Grapevine. As is WestlakeNorthlake is Northwest of Lake Grapevine...I don't believe it actually touches the lake though.
Irving north of 183 is Ok,north of North Gate is kind of upscale and pricey. South of 183 looks curmbling.
Arlington South of I-20 or North of I-30 is nice, the center portion is a hell-hole .
But I still feel that Irving is better and going in the right direction than Arlington .
Having lived in both's old core, Irving is doing more to help its core. A ton more parks and trails and overall nice things for the residents whereas Arlington, outside of UTA, has really done nothing to help its core.
Add that to the lack of transit and it is a no-brainer.
wooow where is denton
D Magazine has never listed Denton as a suburb. Infact they have clearly stated in a past article (years ago before Denton Crossing, and Rayzor Ranch) that Denton is it's own town. Not a suburb of Big D or Fort Worth. Unlike places like Flower Mound, Colleyville, Garland, Cedar Hill or Hurst, Denton can provided and maintain Medical, commercial, office, residential, recreation, education, industrial, and aviation all by itself. Denton exists as a college town today, tomorrow it will be the "current" Fort-Worth what as it is to Dallas.wooow where is denton
Even with the Ranger's Ballpark, New Dallas Cowboys Stadium, Six Flags Over Texas, Six Flags Hurricane Harbor, GM Plant, 3rd largest population in North Texas, Retail along I-20 and I-30, Arlington still is just another suburb.
Denton is no suburb. You of all people Matt should know that. Fry St. alone has more culture then the entire city of Garland. The shops & restaurant around the Courthouse-on-the-Square are far better then those in Old Downtown (and Frisco Square) Frisco. With the addition of Rayzor Ranch people from Lewisville will shop in Denton instead of Vista Ridge. And as North Texas' ONLY real college town (no University Park does not count), we have a demographic that keeps this town from becoming another Collin County bedroom community. Instead, Denton is positioned to become the third "major city" in the metroplex. Arlington, Frisco, Irving, Plano and Southlake will always be second best.
Long Story short it is an honor for Denton not to be seen as a burb by Big Bro D instead as our own independent municipality.
I've often wondered why McKinney doesn't try for the same as the County Seat of Collin County. Instead Frisco seems to be the community that wants to not be a suburb eventually.
I guess it can go either way based on commuting patterns. It will be interesting to see if the new rail line impacts the Denton<--->Dallas commuting pattern.
Ok Southern Denton could be considered a bedroom community but then again so is North Dallas (Loop 12 to the south & I-635 to the North). All of the mid-cities are bedroom communities but not everyone can be a job axis. Central Plano could be too, but with the development of West Plano in the late-90's & the redevelopment of East Plano in the early part of this decade, there is a nice balance between burb and CBD. I'm just saying Denton doesn't feed off of Dallas or Fort Worth as much as people might think
I would ask that you do not drag Garland and its culture into your argument in name of maintaining a valid argument for yourself. You have many valid points and by insulting me and the city of Garland by claiming Denton has more culture you lose your credibility. When you start insulting people's culture and claiming that you have more your argument becomes non valid to those who love their city and they resort to calling you a fan boy rather than realist. I have a large knowledge of Garland's culture and know only some parts of its vast reaches but I am a fanboy of my Municipal. So I refrain from denouncing Denton's culture because of my lack of knowledge of its local culture. I agree that Denton is not a suburb of Dallas or Fort Worth and also agree that it will perhaps be the tip of the tri-city triangle of our metroplex. I just ask you not to take Garland at your perceived face value and I will continue to do the same towards the other municipalities that are within the metroplex. Anything could happen in North Texas in the coming years and even Garland could be the next big thing when it comes to a list of top DFW metro cities you never know whats on the horizon.
If you are speaking of people that live south of the lake, then that will never happen as long as traffic stays the same on I-35 across Lake Lewisville. People will still go to Vista Ridge, and other areas like Southlake Town Square.
Otherwise, people north of the lake, will probably stay north of the lake.
^more than anything, that lake may be the thing that has saved Denton from being homogenized by suburban Dallas.
thank you for that I've never thought of Denton as a suburb
that was a cheap shot. i'm sorry.
Thank You, I understand your situation and frame of mind when some one talks about something your passionate about.
Denton-Dallas commuting patterns will probably not be significantly affected by rail, especially if there are a fair number of intervening stops (which add to trip time). A longstanding rule of thumb is that at least 80% of homes will lie within 45 minutes of their occupant's work. Make what you will of that, but there is no shortage of such pairing choices in the Metroplex today without rail.
ITS NOT A HELL HOLE & SOUTH of 183 IS NOT CRUMBLIN!!
Its better than those cookie-cutter stepford areas!!
At least we have an actual HISTORIC main street & downtown and some freaking traditon that spans 100 years. And speaking of downtown were actualy about to get a boost.
"Olde Towne Redevelopment Planned"
Historic downtown Irving will experience a “face-lift” in the near future as developers plan ways to redevelop and revitalize the area. The plans under consideration include an urban village complete with homes, shops, restaurants, offices and parks, centered on the Trinity Railway Express station in Irving’s Heritage District.
The city will work with Lubbock-based McDougal Companies in the funding and development of the project. The project will extend from the north of Pioneer Drive, east to Britain Road, south to Shady Grove Road and west to MacArthur Boulevard.
A development plan is expected to be completed by December with the first phase of construction to begin in 2008. The city plans to make available up to $15 million from the 2006 Bond Program South Irving Economic Development fund for use on the approved public infrastructure improvements.
To me it is not that Denton depends on Dallas, but rather all the municipalities depend on each other. This is part of what makes up a metropolitan area. (shared media outlets, shared utility infrastructure, shared airports, etc.)
An area is often called a suburb simply because of low density zoning and/or the fact that it is not the cultural or economic center of a metropolitan area.
However, the key is, "why is Denton growing now?" Is Denton's growth attributed to the growth of Dallas, or would it have grown at the current rate at this point in time independent of Dallas? (take away things Dallas built like the airports, lakes, etc)
As the density of Dallas increases, this debate will subside. The new rail line may cause more Dallas workers to live in Denton, shifting the commuting pattern to a point where it is hard to not think of Denton as a suburb.
Look at Toronto. The metro area is referred to GTA, for Greater Toronto Area. The metro population is 5.5 million, with 2.5 million actually in the City of Toronto limits. However, there is a municipality in that metro called Mississauga that has a population of 700,000. Even at 700,000 people and 14 300+ ft high rises, they are considered a suburb because their growth is a result of the City of Toronto's growth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississauga%2C_Ontario
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/?id=100996
Anyone read the article in D Magazine on Southlake?
^Are you talking about the article that was mostly about the Southlake-Carroll HS football program? I read it online, but again, it was mostly about their football cult...I mean team. I don't think anyone on this board would care about it.
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I read it and living in Southlake sounds like my worst nightmare come to life.
I wouldn't worry. Unless you're pulling down at least $500,000/year, you probably couldn't afford it to begin with.
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True :2lol:
Actually Geaux, lots of people are talking about it. There is an article in the Star Telegram today, I have heard several segments on the radio this morning, Good Morning Texas had people on this AM to talk about it too... In addition, Sprouts Supermarket Chain has decided to pull all copies from the shelf in the State of Texas. Your arrogance and lack of info has been noted though!!!
Well, gee-wiz sport. I don't think I mentioned anything about people not talking about the article. I just don't think there's much of a point to post the entire thing on this site.
Again, I read the article online and thought it was very complamentary to Southlake. The city is by far the nicest suburb in the area and is one of the 10 wealthiest small towns in America according to Forbes. It's just that the editors over at D Magazine chose to take a twisted approach to drawing attention to the article and it's got some very wealthy people's panties in a wad.
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Could the Park Cities be jealous of upstart Southlake? Uh probably not they have a least a dozen more minority people.
Congratulations, Southlake!
Can one of you guys pick me up something from Wal-Mart or the Olive Garden? It's too far for me to drive up there.
Thanks,
Capt. Jackass
DAGNABBIT!
Here's one for the history buffs - did Highland Park get an era-adjusted reception similar to what Southlake is getting these days?
Do we tear down EVERYONE that isn't the same as us on this forum?!?!
Probably. One of the early slogans for Highland Park was, "It's ten degrees cooler in Highland Park."
Ostensibly, because it was so far north from Dallas at the time.
Last edited by hamiltonpl; 29 August 2007 at 03:37 PM.
DAGNABBIT!
I guess it keeps conversation interesting at least! There are some quite opinionated members here.
Hamilton you are going to love this but I would rather live in HP than anywhere way up north and Southlake would also be my worst nightmare. Everyone is the same- what a bore! I imagine all you can hear there is central a/c systems kicking in, then punctuated by planes flying over...
Last edited by Lakewooder; 29 August 2007 at 05:42 PM.
Can't do it Captain. There ain't no Wal-Mart or Olive Garden in Southlake...or Keller for that matter.
By the power of greyskull!
I'll bet they have The Gap or something equally insipid.
...and an Apple store and an Anthropologie and a Sigrid Olsen and a Central Market.
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Oh the horror - they have stores. I love the, "if they have store X, they must be crap" mentality around here. Really, this snooty crap makes me sick.
It was a joke. People who take themselves too seriously make me sick.
DAGNABBIT!
Actually, I would vote for Cockrell Hill to be D/FW's greatest suburb.
That fact that it still exists today is mind-boggling.
It's the Park Cities long lost Southern Twin.
Tighten the female dog!
Fraiser: "I met this girl in a mall"
Niles: "You went to a mall? Did anyone see you?"
Personally, I think everyone should move to Southlake or Keller.
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