Keller and Southlake suck. You wouldn't like it here. Go away. :beat:Originally Posted by LakeRidge
By the power of greyskull!
i went to southlake for a job interview. if that is the best in the metroplex, i think im moving. southlake was one of the most disgustingly cookie cutter places i have ever experienced. their dowtown was awful with big box chains all over. felt more like an outlet mall. personally, i think grapevine kicks southlake's ass.
I usually don't care to comment on threads like this, but it's amazing how some people have such deep feelings against a place they have never really spent time in. Cookie-cutter? Worst nightmare? Interesting. I guess I shouldn't be so surprised at some of the narrow-minded people on this board. Get out and enjoy the greater metroplex. Please.
Ps - I think the best comment was the last one: feeling like being in a giant outlet mall in Southlake, and Grapevine kicks its ass. Funny, because isn't it Grapevine that has the giant outlet mall?
I agree BigTex! I love Southlake, it's my favorite city in all of DFW...
count another Southlake fan here!
Whoa, I dared to attack Southlake see: http://www.city-data.com/forum/dalla...southlake.html and people are jumping all over me like they want to drag me behind a pickup or something...
Serves you right.
By the power of greyskull!
I agree! I found your post to be very short sighted!!! I live in Uptown right now and love it, but as I get older and have a family I hope to live in Southlake someday. I love the schools, the size of the city, the sense of community, the cleanliness etc... And yes, I love chain stores and chain restaurants!!! It seems like a great place to live and raise a family!
Well maybe I am myopic but I know a good thing when I see one -- like a place with a real 'town center' (since 1926) vs. a manufactured one...
Everyone sees things differently, but it's no reason to belittle what others view, think and feel... What's pleasing to me might not be pleasing to you!
Apparently the masses prefer the manufactured. I'm just glad not to be one of the masses.
So what you have to realize (and I'm sure you do) is that it's not possible for a town like Southlake to have a "real" town center. They want one, but it doesn't exist... so they create one as best they can with modern updates.
1926? That's not a "real" town center either compared to countless other town centers in the country that are a hundred years older. They would laugh at your 1926. I used to live in New England.
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When I lived in Dallas (for a couple decades), I used to find any and everything wrong that I could about the suburbs and berate them whenever I could. Then, as I grew older, I realized that where I lived in Dallas was nothing more than a suburb in the 1950's and 1960's. Lake Highlands is nothing more than a suburb... neither is Lakewood, Casa Linda, Highland Park, Pleasant Grove, Oak Cliff, etc.
The fear in this thread is pretty thick.
Well it's old for here and we were not developed as the suburbs of later days, we were one of the streetcar lines. Lakewood Shopping Center grew organically over time at the edge of Lakewood Country Club (1912). The reason people use 1926 is because that was when Doc Harrell opened his drug store, which was the center of the community for 50 years.
Besides East Dallas was its own city in the 1800s. New England may laugh at us but I bet they would laugh harder at Coppell and Southlake. If there is any history around here, we've got it. At least places like McKinney and Garland have authentic town centers..
Hell, Southlake just celebrated its' 50th anniversary this year. What do you expect? Given the young age of the city, I think its' leaders have shown incredible forsight in creating an extremely desirerable place to live.
By the power of greyskull!
Yeah but they have an ugly logo
yea its nice. im with lakewooder though, its not for me. I want more than a nice neighborhood. I want to be somewhere with history and character.
That logo looks as if it belongs on a 1970s T-shirt. So maybe there is some history.
Doesn't it ever.
September 29, 2007
Southlake teen arrested for hate crime at Georgetown
http://startelegram.typepad.com/crim...ake-teen-.html
According to CNN, Southlake resident and Georgetown student Phillip Cooney, 19, was arrested Thursday for beating up a gay Georgetown student. Police have been looking for the person who attacked the man since Sept. 9 and are calling the attack a hate crime because the suspect yelled anti-gay slurs during the attack, according to reports.
The injured student did a lot of the investigating on his own.
A friend of the injured student told him he overheard someone talking about the attack in a class, and wrote down the initials embroidered on that student's backpack.
The injured man went to the social networking site Facebook, and looked up all the people that matched the initials until he came acoross and recognized Cooney, who he now says attacked him.
--Melissa Vargas
Everything seems manufactured when masterplanned and recently constructed. However, it really comes down to kids rather than urban planning.
You mentioned before that you don't have any kids.
I think having kids impacts your lifestyle more than any other event a human can experience. Your entire life plan changes. Your primary goals in life shift towards giving them the best possible childhood, while still trying to balance your career/business/investments and your own social life.
Once you have kids, places like Southlake become very appealing.
I would not want my kids to grow up in an environment where everyone is white, lives in a McMansion, a place where people are corporate nomads and only stay a few years, the real estate development is all pre-packaged and pre-planned, there is virtually no history nor neighborhood and school traditions, a place where the first question out of anyone's mouth is "what do you do?" etc...
I have just been through a week-long period in my neighborhood of homecoming from parades to reunions to pep rallies to parties and even several funerals varying from a fellow classmate, to a teacher's spouse, a former PTA president and a classmate's father. I heard so many people give thanks for having grown up in a real community where people care for each other and there are several generations coming together in good times and bad to celebrate and give each other support. I got goosebumps so many times I lost track.
That's the kind of place I would want to see a kid grow up.
Okay, we had to stop subscription to D magazine because it seems to cater to rich white folk exclusively. Flip through it's glossy pages, and you're hard pressed to find one brown face.
Anyway, I always wondered why it ranked Highland and University Park when these areas are not suburbs, but a part of Dallas, just as Preston Hollow is a part of Dallas and not a suburb.
If they can make this distinction, why don't they distinguish west Plano from the rest of Plano? Plano's never made top honors on this ranking, and with it's top notch schools, prime real estate, and "hip, urban, feel", I wonder why it's never mentioned. Perhaps because it has a higher proportion of minorities than do their other "top suburbs"?
While Highland Park and University Park are landlocked by the city of Dallas, they are not a part of the city of Dallas. Preston Hollow is a neighborhood of Dallas.
If I had kids, I'd more than likely move out to the suburbs.
Dallas uber alles
CC you already live too far north...
Okay, we had to stop subscription to D magazine because it seems to cater to rich white folk exclusively. Flip through it's glossy pages, and you're hard pressed to find one brown face.
Anyway, I always wondered why it ranked Highland and University Park when these areas are not suburbs, but a part of Dallas, just as Preston Hollow is a part of Dallas and not a suburb.
If they can make this distinction, why don't they distinguish west Plano from the rest of Plano? Plano's never made top honors on this ranking, and with it's top notch schools, prime real estate, and "hip, urban, feel", I wonder why it's never mentioned. Perhaps because it has a higher proportion of minorities than do their other "top suburbs"?
Preston Hollow is a part of Dallas...not a town...got that right...
Highland Park and University Park are both their own seperate towns and not a part of Dallas proper...each has their own Mayor and their own city council...
"...Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."
My accent gives it awayCC you already live too far north...
Dallas uber alles
Yes. They do. That's one reason I can't stand coming in here. There isn't civility in here.
Listen to the Dividing Line, Pirate Christian Radio, CARM, White Horse Inn and RTS University the most nowadays.....
I guess you wouldn't dare go into NorthPark would you.
Listen to the Dividing Line, Pirate Christian Radio, CARM, White Horse Inn and RTS University the most nowadays.....
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Having heard that Southlake is so disliked by some of these people is nothing new. I get the feeling that a lot of people in the metroplex spite Southlake, but I can indeed tell you that living here is not as bad as people think it is. Not everyone is stuck up; there are definitely "real" people here. Oh, and as far as Southlake Town Square feeling like an "outlet mall", you come across as ignorant. I like shopping at outlet malls, but they usually (never) have a Truluck's, a Brio Tuscan Grille, an Apple Store, a first-rate Hilton, a City Hall, or a Post Office.
Since cars and cheap fuel made suburban / bedroom communities accessible to most income levels, satellite cities in North Texas have been among the most successfully crafted in the country. So successful that much of "that certain something" making a city feel like a city withered into lifestyle dormancy. Bitching about the most recent satellite city success story is part of the window dressing for those who've endured a generation of municipal regulations encouraging the decline of the urban environment and/or who've endured the subsequent generation of scrambling to revise the municipal regulations so the city can flourish again.
So, how you doing with that?
Amen.
Southlake (et al.) is exactly what James Kunstler is talking about when he refers to "places that are not worth caring about."
No one lives in Southlake (or any of the North Dallas sprawl) because they care about or highly value the place itself. They live there for purely economic reasons, as measured entirely by home sizes/prices, school test scores, strip mall options, etc. There is no architecture, no history, no public art (none worth noting anyway), no walkability (which ties people together and to their public places), etc.
People value the consumer benefits of these places, but no one cares a bit about the places themselves. Understandably so.
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Really? Everyone, whether buying (or renting) in the "big city" or an evil suburb, factors in price per sq ft and what's in the neighborhood (restaurant/bar scene, grocery, shops, and yes, schools) when settling on a place to live.
I didn't say they don't.
This thread has derailed.
I don't know of people disliking Southlake.
Either you're being sarcastic or you haven't been aware of it.
If people hate Southlake it has more to do with football more than anything else.
Tighten the female dog!
No its just as bad as people who hate Frisco both are rich communities on the far out edges that worship when a new highway is built and complain when they move that far out because the roads are not wide enough yet for the traffic of cars they drive.
Sure the complaints about Southlake/Frisco people are short sided probably about as much as the people who love to live there because the city is "scary" but its a thing alright. There is a negative attitude from people who live in Dallas towards the suburbs like Frisco and Southlake. Its kinda like the Hipster thing people who claim to be different when really they aren't that different.
I lived in Southlake for a short time and worked in Downtown Dallas had no kids or a significant other it was just me and a few friends who lived up there but it was boring for me. I really got tired of the long drive from Dallas to Southlake even when there was no backed up traffic I was on the highway for at least an hour and 45mins minimum twice a day I just don't understand why anyone would want to sit in a car twice a day like that and make that trec with traffic slowing you down putting massive amounts of wear and tear on your car. I don't want to waste that much of my day sitting in a car on any number of freeways but that's just who I am.
and that's pretty much the gist of it. Besides being pulled over once there once because I was driving a new car with the dealer plates while waiting for new plates, I don't think people hate Southlake. Hate is a strong word. Some might not like the suburban lifestyle, but hate?
Dwb
Dallas uber alles
I'm not sure about some of the residents here, but a good amount of us work out of in-home offices. Not too many commuters here as far as I am aware.
a lot of folks hate their job too. Sitting in traffic is just part of the misery that they've acclimatized to in order to provide a certain lifestyle for their family. I'm not sure if that's right or wrong.
I'm confused on what your point is.
It was more of a response to cowboy's earlier point that she didn't know how anybody would choose to have a two hour commute. Where to live/where to work... these are all choices. I think people live in the suburbs because of the lifestyle it provides for their family. They don't like the commute. They probably hate it. My point is that many of them hate their job too. But they view it all as part of the sacrifice of providing a certain lifestyle.
I'm not attacking southlake... I have a sibling there and think southlake is great. I think my observations are perhaps based on my specific industry. I don't think everybody in southlake hates their job.
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I see what you did there you called me a she...lol
Although I can see some valid points of yours, such as families providing a certain lifestyle, I disagree with your statement that "many of them hate their job too". You can't really speak for people you don't know without making yourself look like a stereotyping person. Do you know that the majority of us commute 2hrs a day? That's like someone saying that most people in Manhattan hate their job but are willing to sacrifice that for the Big Apple lifestyle. Yes, I'm sure that some dislike their job, but I wouldn't necessarily lump a large sum of people into that basket without verified evidence.
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