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    DTD | Arts District: Museum Tower (~560 FT. / 42 ST.)

    http://www.brookpartners.com/ArtsPhotos.htm

    Driving by the site for the Arts District Tower (between Nasher Sculpture Garden and Meyerson Symphony Hall) on the Woodall frontage today I saw two signs for tower (one on the southwest corner and one on the northeast corner of the site). They only indicated the name of the project and the developer, no other information. The website (above) has yet to be updated. Anyone catch any info on this in other sources?

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    Are these signs new? I know there used to be at least one up... but if they are new, then maybe this is going forward finally. I can't decide whether I liek the idea of this or not... I wish they could make it more of an arts building, but, who knows...

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    it looks nice...

    the plans look nice, but a bit more parking wouldnt hurt in my opinion, and maybe i didnt read it but would it be apartments, offices, show rooms or all of them? just curious! -nick

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    Non-digital photo taken February 2000, from the site under crane section. Even then, the sign was showing some wear...:


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    This design (below image) isn't so bad, but, the brown one...no.


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    oh man

    man that oval tower looks ill wicked cool, and i would live/work in there. that would be such a beautiful addition to dallas! -nick

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    Oh man! I apologize. I did not realize that these signs were so old! This was the first time I had noticed them. False alarm. Sorry guys.

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    oh man

    oh man, i was getting excited that there was a new building coming. oh well, cant wait! -nick

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    Arts District Tract Hits Market

    Arts District Tract Hits Market
    By Connie Gore - Last updated: June 29, 2004 10:13am
    http://www.globest.com/news/62_62/dallas/124015-1.html

    DALLAS-A Colliers International sales team is pulling the trigger on an international marketing plan for a 1.6-acre tract in the heart of the Dallas Arts District. The property, now being used as a parking lot, is expected to bring one of the highest per sf prices for dirt in the city.
    "I would not be surprised to see it go for $125 per sf," Dustin Schilling of Colliers tells GlobeSt.com. "If any site can get $125, this is the one." The vacant tract sits between the Morton H. Meyerson Symphony Center and Nasher Sculpture Garden.

    The Dallas-based Brooks Partners Inc. bought the land in May 1998 for an office building development. The changing times changed the plan and now it's up for sale with a no-minimum ask. Schilling says the marketing will "go global" this week.

    Interest to date primarily has come from condo developers, says Schilling, who along with Colliers' David Glasscock are in charge of the marketing campaign. Neither broker would rule out the possibility of Brooks Partners striking a JV deal to develop the site.

    In-town sites have brought $85 per sf to $105 per sf. But, Glasscock says, "there really hasn't been a comparable site sold like that."

    According to Schilling, Premier Parking holds a month-to-month lease for the land at the corner of Woodall Rogers Freeway and Olive Street. The land's zoning allows a building of more than one million sf.

    Brooks' president John Sughrue says market conditions are driving the sale. "Considering the strength of the high-rise residential development market in urban Dallas, the lack of available land in the Arts District and the recent announcement of the Norman Foster and Rem Koolhaas designed performing arts centers, we felt that the timing was ideal for the disposition of this asset," he says in a press release.
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    Any chance of another museum?
    "There is much to admire, but little to deplore,—many things to enchant, but few to offend,—and for the people, and their institutions, there is a splendid future, behold what you may, see what you can, believe {what you} have a mind to. . .I have given you a very reliable description of the country in which I live and am unwilling to exchange for the frozen North."
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    w/ a price tag that high, i would assume a museum is out of the question (unless there was a hefty donation).

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    What about Trammell Crow Center?
    "There is much to admire, but little to deplore,—many things to enchant, but few to offend,—and for the people, and their institutions, there is a splendid future, behold what you may, see what you can, believe {what you} have a mind to. . .I have given you a very reliable description of the country in which I live and am unwilling to exchange for the frozen North."
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    lets hope that whomever buys it does not put up something horrible, although i would imagine anything would be better than the expansive parking lot that is there now

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    I hope it's a condo building with a couple of theaters in the bottom, and a couple of art-related retail stores and a cafe.

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    Here's Donald J. Trump's chance for entree into Texas (just kidding). Anyone familiar with the Phillipe Stark designed condo tower in Miami Beach? Hmm, maybe something like that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lakewooder
    Here's Donald J. Trump's chance for entree into Texas (just kidding). Anyone familiar with the Phillipe Stark designed condo tower in Miami Beach? Hmm, maybe something like that...
    You laugh, but he could probably sellout a 40-story Trump Tower in two months. Does anyone have his cell number?

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    Email them at contactus@trumpintl.com.
    Last edited by Foucault; 29 June 2004 at 08:30 PM.
    "There is much to admire, but little to deplore,—many things to enchant, but few to offend,—and for the people, and their institutions, there is a splendid future, behold what you may, see what you can, believe {what you} have a mind to. . .I have given you a very reliable description of the country in which I live and am unwilling to exchange for the frozen North."
    —M. J. Mathis of Dallas County, writing to friends in 1859

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrycb
    You laugh, but he could probably sellout a 40-story Trump Tower in two months. Does anyone have his cell number?
    The Donald could come down here and dominate.


    I saw this under contruction when I was in Miami back in March:

    http://www.trumpgrande.com/ (Metallica Musak in the background?)



    Imagine a residential building 10 meters taller than the Dallas Bank One tower:
    http://www.trumpworldtower.com/


    See more at:
    http://63.151.47.24/RESfeaturedprop.htm

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    Trump has a similar one planned for Chicago...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foucault
    This is what I sent:

    There is a terrific development opportunity in downtown Dallas, Texas’ Arts District. The Dallas Arts District is the largest contiguous urban area dedicated to the arts in the country, and contains the nationally acclaimed Nasher Sculpture Center designed by Renzo Piano, the Morton Meyerson Symphony Center designed by I.M. Pei, the Dallas Museum of Art, the Crow Museum of Asian Art, the Arts Magnet High School which produced Norah Jones and Erica Badu, and recently announced a new Opera House designed by Foster and Partners and Theater designed by Rem Koolhaas. This area is in the most sought after section of downtown, and is just waiting for a signature residential complex to fulfill the City’s vision of a 24-hour Arts District with roving artists, coffee shops and street cafes.



    A recently announced Ritz Carlson Hotel and Residences is selling condominiums for $400-$500 per sq. ft. two blocks from this sight. I have provided a couple of links which show the announced sale of the tract, the new Ritz Carlton Hotel, and the newest arts additions to the district.



    http://www.globest.com/news/62_62/dallas/124015-1.html

    http://www.dallasperformingarts.org/...documentId=186

    http://www.theresidencesdallas.com



    I am not a developer and have no economic interest in the land. I’m just a Dallas resident interested in seeing Dallas fulfill its promise of becoming the preferred urban destination of the southwest.



    Kindest Regards,



    Barry
    Last edited by barrycb; 29 June 2004 at 09:08 PM.

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    it needs to be residential with a mixture of auxiliary uses/retail on the lower floors. another museum would just add to the "cultural ghetto" effect they've already begun to create.

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    I totally agree! There needs to be residential in the district. Would love to see Trump come into town, he blow everything out of the water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrycb
    This is what I sent:

    There is a terrific development opportunity in downtown Dallas, Texas’ Arts District. The Dallas Arts District is the largest contiguous urban area dedicated to the arts in the country, and contains the nationally acclaimed Nasher Sculpture Center designed by Renzo Piano, the Morton Meyerson Symphony Center designed by I.M. Pei, the Dallas Museum of Art, the Crow Museum of Asian Art, the Arts Magnet High School which produced Norah Jones and Erica Badu, and recently announced a new Opera House designed by Foster and Partners and Theater designed by Rem Koolhaas. This area is in the most sought after section of downtown, and is just waiting for a signature residential complex to fulfill the City’s vision of a 24-hour Arts District with roving artists, coffee shops and street cafes.



    A recently announced Ritz Carlson Hotel and Residences is selling condominiums for $400-$500 per sq. ft. two blocks from this sight. I have provided a couple of links which show the announced sale of the tract, the new Ritz Carlton Hotel, and the newest arts additions to the district.

    http://www.globest.com/news/62_62/dallas/124015-1.html

    http://www.dallasperformingarts.org/...documentId=186

    http://www.theresidencesdallas.com


    I am not a developer and have no economic interest in the land. I’m just a Dallas resident interested in seeing Dallas fulfill its promise of becoming the preferred urban destination of the southwest.


    Kindest Regards,

    Barry
    Well done barry. I am going to send something very similar to yours (plagiarism, a little). Perhaps a consistent message can help spark interest. It is worth a shot.
    “We shape our Cities, thereafter they shape us.”

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    ^great letter Barrycb, let us know if you ever get a response. One can only assume Trump would be his flamboyant self and want to build something grand, maybe the tallest residential in the Southwest.

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    while you're at it, send him one about thr Mercantile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Mbala
    while you're at it, send him one about thr Mercantile.
    Sounds like there is already something cookin' on the Merc.

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    Yes, I saw that about the Arts District land for sale in the DMN on Friday. Really wish it could be residential. That's what would bring 24-hour life to the district.

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    I'm putting this one back up on the pending projects list no. 2 since it shifted from office-only proposal to office/retail/residential proposal. But, I'll just leave it as 'on hold' for now instead of dismissing it as dead years ago... Hall Financial will be doing something with this one day for sure.

    Man, these were some of the first "under crane" buildings ever put on dallasmetropolis.com back in like '98 or '99 as 'The Lone Star site' and 'Arts District Tower site.'

    Updated link (no renderings anymore, but, they have inclusion of Woodall deck and Arts District plans these days) :
    http://www.brookpartners.com/Plans.htm
    "Upcoming projects include the development of a luxury residential tower between the Nasher Sculpture Center and the Meyerson Symphony Hall."

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    Read this thread (particularly from post 7 on)...maybe we lead the Donald to paradise!

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    That is really interesting ...

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    This would be semi-funny. We are setting urban construction.

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    Oh no! I park in this parking lot every day!

    Has anyone noticed the plywood going up around the lot?

    Although they are really ugly the surface parking lots are packed during the day.


    Quote Originally Posted by gc
    Arts District Tract Hits Market
    By Connie Gore - Last updated: June 29, 2004 10:13am
    http://www.globest.com/news/62_62/dallas/124015-1.html

    DALLAS-A Colliers International sales team is pulling the trigger on an international marketing plan for a 1.6-acre tract in the heart of the Dallas Arts District. The property, now being used as a parking lot, is expected to bring one of the highest per sf prices for dirt in the city.
    "I would not be surprised to see it go for $125 per sf," Dustin Schilling of Colliers tells GlobeSt.com. "If any site can get $125, this is the one." The vacant tract sits between the Morton H. Meyerson Symphony Center and Nasher Sculpture Garden.

    The Dallas-based Brooks Partners Inc. bought the land in May 1998 for an office building development. The changing times changed the plan and now it's up for sale with a no-minimum ask. Schilling says the marketing will "go global" this week.

    Interest to date primarily has come from condo developers, says Schilling, who along with Colliers' David Glasscock are in charge of the marketing campaign. Neither broker would rule out the possibility of Brooks Partners striking a JV deal to develop the site.

    In-town sites have brought $85 per sf to $105 per sf. But, Glasscock says, "there really hasn't been a comparable site sold like that."

    According to Schilling, Premier Parking holds a month-to-month lease for the land at the corner of Woodall Rogers Freeway and Olive Street. The land's zoning allows a building of more than one million sf.

    Brooks' president John Sughrue says market conditions are driving the sale. "Considering the strength of the high-rise residential development market in urban Dallas, the lack of available land in the Arts District and the recent announcement of the Norman Foster and Rem Koolhaas designed performing arts centers, we felt that the timing was ideal for the disposition of this asset," he says in a press release.

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    Arts District to gain $100 million residential tower

    12:00 AM CST on Tuesday, January 31, 2006
    By STEVE BROWN / The Dallas Morning News


    Dallas' newest residential high-rise will be a standout in an exclusive neighborhood.

    Located smack between the Nasher Sculpture Center and the Morton H. Meyerson Symphony Center, the 20-story Museum Tower has what developers hope is a one-of-a-kind address.

    "We think we have an extraordinary site," said John Sughrue, whose Brook Partners is teaming up with investor Turtle Creek Holdings to build the $100 million tower. "It is in the true heart of the Arts District."

    Indeed, it would be hard to find a more central location than the block between Pearl and Olive streets. The residential building will overlook the Nasher sculpture garden and tower over the nearby symphony hall and Dallas Museum of Art.

    "Our aspiration was to design a residence that will offer a sophisticated urban lifestyle," Mr. Sughrue, who has developed other projects downtown, said Monday.

    The sleek stone and glass building was designed by architect Rick del Monte with the Beck Group – who collaborated on the Nasher Sculpture Center and the new Hunt Consolidated tower a few blocks away on Woodall Rodgers Freeway. Booziotis & Co. Architects has been hired to work on the interior spaces.

    Mr. Sughrue said the plan is to build a condo tower that "will complement our Arts District neighbors – more timeless than flamboyant."

    The building is designed to contain between 100 and 125 condos, depending how large the buyers want. The units will range in size from around 900 square feet to 7,500 square feet and will be "priced competitively" with other luxury buildings in the market, the developers said. Most of those projects sell for between $450 and $600 per square foot, depending upon how elaborate the building is.

    Along with the central building, the Museum Tower will include underground parking, a half-dozen low-rise townhouses directly across from the Nasher garden, a swimming pool and gardens for the residents. The north side of the building also faces one of the parks planned for across the freeway.

    "We think this Woodall Rodgers Park will be a fabulous amenity to this building," said Robbie Briggs of Briggs Freeman Real Estate Brokerage, which is marketing the project. "We are appealing to people who are truly interested in good architecture and the Arts District."

    Museum Tower is scheduled to start construction later this year and will take about 18 to 24 months to complete.

    Because of its location, the building will be one of the most visible additions to the 20-block cultural district on the north side of downtown.

    The Arts District is also seeing construction of the $275 million Dallas Center for Performing Arts and the $100 million One Arts Plaza building, which will house 7-Eleven's corporate offices, condos and retail space.

    The timing for the Museum Tower couldn't be better, said Bill Lively, president of the Dallas Center for Performing Arts Foundation.

    "This complement brings life into the district," Mr. Lively said. "In every case where these things work effectively, there is a residential component."

    Planned in the 1980s, the Arts District was always designed for a variety of construction. But during the early years, the private-sector focus was on office space.

    Eight years ago when Brook Partners bought the Museum Tower site, the plan was to do an office tower.

    "When the Arts District was laid out, they sought a residential component," said Daniel Boeckman with Turtle Creek Holdings. "It's all coming together right now."

    E-mail stevebrown@dallasnews.com

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    Great! any renderings? Anyone?

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    WONDERFUL....Lets get the dirt flyin...
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    I'll meet you there at 8 o'clock with a shovel. I'll supervise. You dig.

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    For a job this important, we probably need 4 supervisors for every digger.

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    Could someone who knows how, post a map with the location for this new tower. Does this help, or hurt, chances for a major tower on the Lone Star site?

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    I will give me a minute

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    There is a rendering in the DMN. It's an OK building- nothing great- but I guess It'll blend in well with the area... For such a great piece of land- wish it was more than 20 stories. I prefer the rendering that was posted several years ago (does anyone still have that one???)...

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    ^ I'll post the old renderings for this Brook Partners site when I get home this evening (if no one else posts them first.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by US75Guy
    Could someone who knows how, post a map with the location for this new tower. Does this help, or hurt, chances for a major tower on the Lone Star site?
    Someone going to post the Newspaper rendering?

    Post 69 has pic of Lone Star proposal
    http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/sh...&goto=lastpost

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelley USA
    There is a rendering in the DMN. It's an OK building- nothing great- but I guess It'll blend in well with the area... For such a great piece of land- wish it was more than 20 stories. I prefer the rendering that was posted several years ago (does anyone still have that one???)...
    I think this is the one you're talking about.


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    Wow..kinda makes me sick That's really a cool rendering.
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    ^That is an old 80's tower. The Brook Partners tower was only about 20 stories.

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    From the DMN photo. It's not good quality.

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    The last I heard was that Craig Hall's Lone Star project was on hold because the construction costs were coming in much higher than thought and there was little or no potential for city hall funding.

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