Yet DFW is just as smoggy. Try again.Originally Posted by capcity
Zoning. Houston doesn't really have any.Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack
What they do have is a thick blanket of smog and gay bars.
Yet DFW is just as smoggy. Try again.Originally Posted by capcity
No it isn't, Houston is the most polluted city in Texas if not the entire Southwest.Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack
I'm just stating there is not much diversity the city just sux point blank get over it.
Arlington doesn't have much to offer as far as what I consider a real city. When I think city I think diversity in all aspects. I think excitement and an assortment of things to do. It just doesn't possess that in my opinion. Walkability and public transportation definitely go along with that and Dallas is working towards that. Arlington and its citizens will be the ones to lose in the end if they don't get on board. Non-renewable resources are named so for a reason.
Last edited by portyhead; 06 December 2007 at 08:49 PM.
^^You know, I read that there are 800 BILLION barrels of oil in Colorado. Three times what is in Saudi Arabia.
25 Most Ozone-Polluted Cities
2005 Rank1 Metropolitan Area
1 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside,CA
8 Dallas-Fort Worth,TX
9 New York-Newark-Bridgeport,NY-NJ-CT-PA
11 Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia,DC-MD-VA-WV
15 Knoxville-Sevierville-La Follette,TN
17 Pittsburgh-New Castle,PA
18 Youngstown-Warren-East Liverpool,OH-PA
22 Sheboygan,WI 113,376
23 Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City,IL-IN-WI
24 El Centro,CA
This is the only list that I could find that have at least one of the cities on there.
Last edited by GuerillaBlack; 06 December 2007 at 09:17 PM.
I can agree on some points with you. Arlington is a little low on the excitement area. It's fine for tourists, but if you already done the things tourist do, it's just not as fun the second time around. The bar scene consist of mostly low budget hole in the walls, with the exception of Sherlocks (Not talking sports bars). Not much walkability, and no public transportation. That's not the cities fault, but the voters fault. Arlington residents historically don't want that. That will change in the near future. With Glory Park and the Cowboys, Arlington will actually have an entertainment district that can be exciting to residents as much as tourists.Originally Posted by portyhead
As for student transportation, who usually foots the bill? The city or the school. Let's use OU, which is also Division I as the example. (I would really like to know)
Actually, the school was founded in 1895 as an argricultural college. It is located near "downtown" Arlington for a reason. The problem isn't that the school came to an established city, but that the city embraced sprawl as its growth model while also neglecting the downtown area. In doing so, it left its historic core empty with UTA being an island.Originally Posted by awill19
Nope, just one that gets you from parking lot to campus.Originally Posted by hamiltonpl
As near as I remember, there wasn't a shuttle to anything but parking lots. I was there from Aug 00 to Dec 03. I will soon persue a Masters, and will know more.Originally Posted by nrrhgreg
If I remember correctly, there may have been talk of a shuttle to Centrepoint Station. Don't know if anything came out of it.
It is also 4-5 times more expensive to extract, given the rocky terrain and the lack of pools like Saudi Arabia. If you like $3 a gallon, how's $12-$15 sound?Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack
School.Originally Posted by chrismisquez
I've been going there since '00, yeah, taking my time, and I know for a fact they had the shuttle to the Parks Mall at one time during that period.Originally Posted by FoUTASportscaster
Well if the school usually foots the bill for transportation, then they should step up and quit making it a city matter. Arlington should also pursue a transit system on its own, if voters will approve.
Oh, the oil shale in Colorado originally wasn't realistic to extract it from sand when oil was $30/barrell. They would only pull a profit if it were to reach $40/barrell. So, why don't they tap into it...? Well, it's not oil you pump. Typically, you bulldoze and dig because it's near the toplayers of soil, and extends deep. So, when you bulldoze and dig canyons 300 ft deep, it will do wonders to the habitats of local animals. It's environmentalist who would keep that from occuring. If people would get upset about drilling in Alaska, they would completely lose there minds if we decided to turn over the land in 4 states. Heres a picture of what it would look like, remember, that vehicle you see is absolutely enormous.
You have no idea.Originally Posted by hamiltonpl
well I have visited a friend who lives in Arlington several times and I didn't think it was that bad. I mean there are even sites that write about the top attractions in Arlington ,...it is not that impressive,...but it isn't bad either.
My friends says she likes living there.
There was a time when busy businessmen in Dallas just did their jobs before closing downtown to go home. The nice benefit to this ho-hum lifestyle was that they always took home a lot of money with them. So why is the state of Texas trying to become a huge, sophisticated night club when being the central state for industry in this region worked out so well for it?Originally Posted by chrismisquez
Yes it is that bad......I went to the half price books off pioneer parkway this weekend. That is easily one of the most dismal, bleakest parts of the Metroplex. Arlington is a big city and I'm sure there are nice parts but that little area is nightmarish...Originally Posted by blueb73
mmm.......I would say about 363,190 want to either: 1) Escape 2) Die 3) Eat value meals...Originally Posted by gc
I doubt that many want to live there..
LOL! I enjoy living in Arlington as do many others. And you are correct in saying that the area you were in is a dump. It's next to some of the roughest apartment complexes in the city which are on the other side of Matlock.Originally Posted by Knight1979
I would say though, if I didn't have a car or a license... my Arlington experience would be completely different. So, to enjoy Arlington you MUST have a car, and be willing to drive to other cities for recreation.
Some people act like a city is not going to have flaws whatsoever. I'm sorry all of Arlington can't be like Los Angeles, or Miami, or New York. Let's face it Arlington started growing at a time when sprawl was in. Strip malls, regular malls, building houses as fast as possible no urbanization what at all. What do you think they might have said if Arlington wanted to urbanize? We already have Fort Worth and Dallas why would we want to build those types of building in Arlington? You have to understand that they are making these transitions now, it's going to be different. But what makes Arlington different from any other suburb in this area, just the fact that it's bigger. Some people are naming a corner on a street and saying that's horrible I can give you corner after corner, area after area, of every city in America, that doesn't make the entire city bad. All I want is for someone to explain to me what makes a city great.
The DFW area is the distribution center of the southwest. A single company in the area can have multiple warehouses in the area to distribute goods on the national level, on the regional level, on the state level, on the metropolitan level and, finally, on the local level. Some spread out metropolitan areas like Chicago and DFW airport are just a necessity because warehouses can't be stacked on top of each other. So the design of the DFW is not "sprawled" for cripes sake. How can it be when most of its usage is zoned?Originally Posted by awill19
The city of Arlington likewise exists next to a vast amount of industrial warehouses and manufacturing plants. Why is this considered bad?
I really don't know why there is so dumping on Arlington
As far as all of the negative things mentioned, couldn't we say the exact same thing about?:
Grand Prarie (they do have a lake)
North Richland Hills (I grew up in the mid-cities, its Arlington divided up into smaller towns)
Get my drift? Don't feel so bad Arlington...
Any suburb I didn't mention doesn't mean its any better, just has more money which if anything may make it worse!
Southlake and Colleyville are nothing short of perverse, backwoods, new money insanity. I actually went to High School with people who had "summer" cars and "winter" cars. To me places like that are far more scarier that the drabbest parts of south arlington because people's values there are so twisted. They some how accociate Jesus Santa with consumption to justify the obscene lifestyles they have. Then they have the audacity to call it culture! I love that!
.......if it comes to that, I'll take Arlington any day!
There's my rant for the new year.....
Some of those cities I would agree with you on... But you missed on DeSoto- it's actually a pretty nice city... And Flower Mound is nothing like Arlington- not even close!
So why all the attention on Arlington?, it doesn't make any since
Because Arlington is the epitome suberb. When you think of suberbs, it's only natural to think Arlington first. I see this thread more a bash on suburban lifestyle. It's just Arlington gets the biggest share of the bashing because it has the biggest share of suburban population in the area. Not many burbs have near the amount of things going on as Arlington, but for some reason people want to compare it to DTD and DTFW. I don't see comparisons to other suburbs.Originally Posted by awill19
Since no other city in the Metroplex seems to be seriously creating any, perhaps Arlington should try creating small businesses. Arlington has lots of small offices which could be utilized to incubate such companies.Originally Posted by Knight1979
The best way to create small businesses is to lower taxes and penalties on the general public. The theory here being that the general public are the ones who generate small businesses. Because this avoids having the government subsidize a lot of small business "Pauls" by robbing a lot of little "Peters," no extra red tape would be needed to create such subsidies.
So, while some of the new, small businesses in Arlington would grow into larger companies eventually, the developing area around the new Cowboy stadium could supply the companies with high quality space when it came time for them to relocate too larger offices. This would keep the companies from having to leave the Arlington area because of the lack of space.
Last edited by MisterNifty; 08 January 2008 at 03:18 AM. Reason: Spelling
Or because Arlington is a big, overgrown bedroom c ommunity, that likes to think it is a major American city ("larger than Pittsburgh and Cincinnati").Originally Posted by chrismisquez
What in your mind thinks that Arlington considers itself a major city? They don't have mass transit and don't really even have a dowtown, they're trying to rebuil it. Two things things that a major city needs. And Arlington is larger than Pittsburgh and Cincinnatti,in population and space. It's just those cities were built in a different way making them more dense.
Yet, the city of Arlington has all the ingredients to be a major part of the Metroplex. First off, the city is located in a vacuum between the downtowns of Dallas and Fort Worth. The city's entertainment industry is once again developing into a major tourist destination. It is close to the major airport of the southwest. It has a major university in the University of Texas at Arlington. It has a huge industrial base to develop small companies. It has its own large hospitals.Originally Posted by awill19
DART can no longer afford to maintain its mass transit system and now has a plan on funding light rail with private interests. Arlington can do likewise while cutting out the wasteful process of forming a transit agency.
After he gets the stadium built, the next quest by Jerry Jones will be to get a lightrail line built to the Arlington entertainment district from DFW airport.
You're right, they do have all the ingredients. But it's almost as if people are penalizing them because they haven't made the cake yet and I don't think thats fair.
I just think the cake is getting a little old. The suburb of Arlington was the first to stand out so much that it caused demographers to start calling the area Dallas - Ft. Worth - Arlington.Originally Posted by awill19
In my opinion, suburbs like Arlington and Garland bless the DFW area with stability during the ups and downs of the area's economy. Most major metropolitan areas don't have the huge amounts of industrial space like the Metroplex. To me, the typical suburb just has a lot of houses. They usually don't have huge industrial districts like the cities of Arlington and Garland. The industrial should be considered good thing. Industry just adds to the already strong base the Metroplex has with agricultural and energy.
The demographers in the area predict a lot of things but they can't forsee the new industries the metroplex will shed and grow in the future. The city of Arlington should do something to try to create an internship relationship between possible engineering companies relocating to the city and the students attending the University of Texas at Arlington.
Doesn't UT Arlington specialize in mathematics and physics?
So, Arlington is a major city where anything could happen in the future.
No telling how the city of Arlington will look like in the future. Usually these types of entertainment developments do little for the area. For example, when the city holds the superbowl, Arlington will look similar to the entertainment district down in Houston when it held its superbowl. That area had Reliant stadium, astroworld, the astrodome, a lot of convention space and a light rail line. While Arlington has Six Flags over Texas, Astroworld closed down in Houston; and, while Houston had light rail, Arlington has no mass transit. So, let us say for the sake of argument that it all cancels out to where both areas are fairly equal.Originally Posted by awill19
The troubling aspect about the area around Houston is how little development has arisen because of its designation as an entertainment district. Because it is located in a vacuum between both the downtowns of Dallas and Fort Worth, an argument can be made that it will do better than the similar district down in Houston.
Anyway, I was hoping you could comment on the University of Texas at Arlington and whether that college is noted for being strong in its schools of math and physics?
I think the point is this area can't lose with the superbowl being here, period. I think it's more of a plus because of the fact that it's in Arlington, because Arlington doesn't have everyhing forcing people out to Dallas or Fort Worth, and the other suburbs making people look at the region as a whole.
About UTA, I think it has a fairly strong engineering and architecture program.Also Chemistry and physics are two other really good programs, especially with the new building they just built.While I think their academics are great, it's the building of a sports arena that I think will put UTA at a whole new level.
^^I think it is a minus. The Super Bowl would be much better in Dallas, or even Fort Worth where everything is closer together. Instead, you will have people driving in from all directions to get to the stadium and its Walmart next door. In Houston, the stadium, hotels, and basically all of the entertainment options were in one close area. Great experience. I see this 2011 Super Bowl being like a Phoenix one, where Phoenix has all of the parties and things, but Glendale has just the game.
I hear it all the time. The teachers at my school say it in my business class. "See, we here in Arlington are among the largest cities in America". Technically Arlington is, but it doesn't have the attributes of a major U.S. city.Originally Posted by awill19
Last edited by GuerillaBlack; 08 January 2008 at 04:54 PM.
Yeah right. A commuter rail line will be coming from the South, and the Astrodome is going to be redeveloped into a hotel like the Gaylord. Houston does not need "a single entertainment" development like Arlington. WOuld you say Dallas only has a single entertainment development?Originally Posted by MisterNifty
The relationship developing between the Telecom corridor and UT of Dallas is one of internship. As surrounding companies can delve already into the future talent before it graduates from UT, students likewise can delve into realtime aspects about the industry that surrounds them. I know that a relationship already exists between the Telecom corridor and Richland Community College because Texas Instruments sent my step dad there many years ago.Originally Posted by awill19
So, figuring it has taken years for Arlington to build up its math school (my real father graduated from that school 50 years ago with a Masters of Mathematics) and a school of physics (developed in expectation that the super collider would be built close by) it would seem that it would be in the best interest for the college to build up a similar internship relationship with Engineering firms.
I guess one could also argue that Central Dallas is also a competing entertainment district in the DFW metroplex. Look, you are right in that Houston might develop something like the Gaylord resort using infrastructure already there by the astrodome. But that development would lack the convenience of being 5 miles from a major airport and lack being located on the banks of a lake at that. I just don't think that astrodome thing makes much sense. It wouldn't have the convention facilities in Gaylord because hundreds of thousands of square feet of that product is already built close by.Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack
The better idea for Houston would be for it to wait until Gaylord itself finds the ultimate place where to build a facility.
Certainly you don't think the Houston astrodome area can compete with Gaylord's convenience and location? Especially considering that Gaylord is already expanding before Houston even begins to dream.
So, you are betting against Jerry Jones then? Good luck with that. Look, since when did they build a hotel close to the astrodome? I just can't remember any. I know they have torn a few down. They do have hotels in the Medical Center, uptown and downtown. I think much of the development will be built by the first superbowl. I would also be surprised if Jerry doesn't manage to get a light rail built. He did attend that superbowl down in Houston after all and that was one of the aspects of it he was impressed with. I just feel the first line has to go to DFW airport.Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack
Attributes? What attributes? Major college? Freeway infrastructure? Industrial space? Using the necessary attributes that the city of Dallas is implementing in its effort to expand the city to the south, which is developing an airport (Redbird, Naval Air Station), a major university (a branch of the University of North Texas) and an industrial district, Arlington already has all those attributes in place to emerge as a major polar center in the Metroplex.Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack
You kidding me? One of the major pluses that was said about Houston was everything being so close together. I love how you always start out with "look", like you are making some big and great point. And yes, I am betting against Jerry Jones. I would like him to prove me wrong about this spread out Super Bowl for 2011.Originally Posted by MisterNifty
Mass transit. All suburbs have good freeway infrastructure, that is a weak point. Arlington does have some industrial space and UTA is a major college, but it is a commuter college. Not many live on campus (or in Arlington for that matter) at all. My mother goes to UTA now, and has told me this.Attributes? What attributes? Major college? Freeway infrastructure? Industrial space? Using the necessary attributes that the city of Dallas is implementing in its effort to expand the city to the south, which is developing an airport (Redbird, Naval Air Station), a major university (a branch of the University of North Texas) and an industrial district, Arlington already has all those attributes in place to emerge as a major polar center in the Metroplex.
That spread out argument is weak. All the parties for the superbowl are in Miami, while the stadium is in Miami Gardens about 16 miles from downtown, and they're going there for 2 out of 3 years. The same goes for Phoenix and Glendale, Pasedena and Los Angeles, most parties are located Downtown in major cities and this place will be no different. However since Glorypark is being built something will happen in Glorypark, it might not be the main party, but something will be happening.
I agree with UTA being a commuter school, the only way to change that is to build more dorms and change the area around campus into a village type area, and build a sports arena for basketball and other events it's embarrassing that they play on a stage.
Do you not see the difference between Miami and Dallas? ALL of the parties are in Miami along the beach (the majority at least). Miami is already a very popular party place among the U.S. and world. In DFW, the parties will be spread out between Dallas, Fort Worth, Irving wants some, and Grapevine wants some, too.Originally Posted by awill19
And did you not see what I said above about Phoenix? Read my friend. Los Angeles also hasn't had a Super Bowl since 1993, so that is a weak argument.
Most of Houston is close together. That is why its metropolitan area is consider a single polar area. Hotels exist close by Reliant stadium in the Texas Medical Center, in Uptown and in the downtown area. There are very few hotels close to Reliant stadium.Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack
In comparison, there are numerous hotels already close by in proximity to where the new Cowboy stadium is being built as well as there will be 50 stories of hotel rooms built in 2 hotels in the new development next to the stadium. One hotel will be at least 30 stories tall. Where is the closest 30 story hotel to Reliant stadium?
Look, Six Flags over Texas is an institution. It isn't a place that one can just tear down as Astroworld was. The area should achieve state monument status in fact. Possibly even the disignation of a national monument. So you know the area it serves is well represented by hotels just because of its presence.
What is more important than having a lot of kids living on campus is building the same kind of an internship type of relationship that UTD has with the Telecom Corridor. As schools at UTD are uniquely designed to fit in with the surrounding Telecom businesses, the schools at UTA are strong in mathematics and physics. So, they should try to attract engineering firms that would draw from the college and vice versa. That formula certainly worked fabulously for the city of Richardson. Look, unlike Houston which has only oil and gas working for it, the DFW Metroplex has many unique formulas working for it spread out across the area.Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack
Give me a break. Numerous hotels? Yes there are a lot, but there are as many hotels around the Reliant area in Houston, too. Tell me where the nearest 30-story hotel is to the Cowboy stadium (now). Your right, there is none. It is planned and will be under construction, but so will the Gaylord-type Astrodome redevelopment. By the way, there are tall hotels as close as two miles (or less) away from Reliant, with all being connected by light rail, making it easy to travel too. In Arlington, you would need to walk across parking lots.Originally Posted by MisterNifty
And Six Flags ruined Astroworld (much like the ruined many Six Flags parks across the nation). Astroworld was seeing its highest attendance in years (despite the stereotypes), but increasing land values made Six Flags wanting to sell the park. If you think that went well with Houstonians, then you are wrong. The good thing is, a park larger than Six Flags over Texas will be built in NE Houston (in the piney woods), in New Caney, Texas. The park will first be built on over 100 acres, but have land to expand to over 200 acres.
Houston has oil, gas, energy, aerospace, the port and its industries, as well as a strong medical industry going for it. IT is also doing pretty good, with Hewlett-Packard having its largest campus in NW Houston.What is more important than having a lot of kids living on campus is building the same kind of an internship type of relationship that UTD has with the Telecom Corridor. As schools at UTD are uniquely designed to fit in with the surrounding Telecom businesses, the schools at UTA are strong in mathematics and physics. So, they should try to attract engineering firms that would draw from the college and vice versa. That formula certainly worked fabulously for the city of Richardson. Look, unlike Houston which has only oil and gas working for it, the DFW Metroplex has many unique formulas working for it spread out across the area.
I do hope UTA builds more on-campus housing and become more than a commuter campus.
And by the way, the area around Six Flags is Arlington's entertainment center. That is where the city's highest concentration of hotels are and will be. Does Dallas have a high concentration of hotels around Fair Park? Nope.
Last edited by GuerillaBlack; 08 January 2008 at 07:52 PM. Reason: Adding more content
The entertainment district of Arlington is closer to the population center of the Metroplex than is downtown Dallas.Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack
Population Center Gravitates
West by 2030
The population center of the greater Dallas/Fort Worth metropolitan area will move
west over the next 30 years, but should continue to be within the Irving city limits. In
1990, the center of the region s population was in the 1400 block of Irving Blvd.
During the 1990s, Collin and Denton counties captured almost 50% of all growth,
and with this growth to the north the population center moved north over one mile as well, to just
southeast of SH 183 and MacArthur Blvd. This push to the north should continue for the first 10
years of the forecast period, as Plano and several other cities build out. By 2010, the center
should be directly north of SH 183, almost to Rochelle Blvd. Between 2010 and 2030, the region
will begin to square off, with strong growth along the SH 114 and I-35 corridors in Denton County
and in northwest Tarrant County, while at the same time infrastructure improvements will draw
residents to the west and southwest portions of the region including eastern Parker County,
northern Johnson County and southwest Tarrant County. With this trend, the population center
should move back to the west 3/4 mile to just south of SH 183 and continue moving west along
the south side of SH 183 towards Story Road by 2030.
When it comes to driving to the airport to fly somewhere, no one has it better than a citizen living in the DFW metroplex.
You're right it's different, but the main parties will most likely be in Victory Park. The main question is Do you think the DFW area is going to show the Super Bowl a good time? and will it return for more?Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack
I think it will, based on the stadium alone, it looks like a stadium that is one of the most unique in the world.
The original Six Flags over Texas in Arlington didn't screw up Astroworld. Astroworld was already screwed up before Six Flags (which was the parent company of Six Flags over Arlington) purchases it.Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack
HISD also screwed up Astroworld because its schedule interfered with children going to the entertainment park during the summer.
You can build an entertainment park, but you can't just build an institution. When it came to theme park "attractions," (as apposed to the distractions at Disneyland and Disneyworld) Six Flags over Texas at Arlington is the original park in the Six Flags flagship. Such a distinction should give the park both the disignation of state and national historical status.
The energy business in Houston is approaching 50% of its total employment. In comparison, many consider the DFW area to be the center of high tech in the Southwest and that industry only makes up 8% of its economy.Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack
The State Fair is to the DFW Metroplex what the Houston stock show and rodeo is to Houston. Ample amounts of hotel and motel rooms can be found in each area to support both.
The superbowl should benefit the whole Metroplex since it is taking place towards its center.Originally Posted by awill19
"UTA now has more than 4,200 students living in university-owned and operated housing, the largest percentage in the U.T. System."Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack
-James D. Spaniolo, UTA President
Currently the number is more than 4400.
Perhaps you could tell me specifically if UTArlington still has strong schools in math and physics. My dad graduated from the school with a masters in mathematics about 50 years ago. If the college still has schools that are strong in math and physics, then the city of Arlington could try attracting engineering firms and the like. While the engineering firms would have access to the talent in the school before students graduate, the companies themselves could give realtime experience as to what the work entails before employment. This type of relationship already exists between the Telecom Corridor and UTDallas / Richland Community College.Originally Posted by chrismisquez
Who said Six Flags over Texas ruined Astroworld? You really need to learn some reading comprehension, because you say things completely different.And if you didn't know, Astroworld was known for getting a lot of new rides and having many of the nation's (and world's) firsts. All this ended in the late 90's and early 00's, when Six Flags did not even attempt to clean up the park, add more land (there is empty land behind Astroworld), and get some new rides.Originally Posted by MisterNifty
The energy business in Houston is approaching 40%, not 50%. It is dropping as Houston's other industries expand.The energy business in Houston is approaching 50% of its total employment. In comparison, many consider the DFW area to be the center of high tech in the Southwest and that industry only makes up 8% of its economy.
The State Fair is to the DFW Metroplex what the Houston stock show and rodeo is to Houston. Ample amounts of hotel and motel rooms can be found in each area to support both.
I think it can, just hope the weather will cooperate. If the weather is what it is now, it should be fine on that department, but if the weather gets icy AND the parties are spread out, the NFL may be a bit hesitant to come back. The difference between Phoenix/Miami and DFW is that the parties there are in one central location, where I have read that the parties in DFW will be spread around many cities up here (Dallas, Fort Worth, Irving, and Grapevine mainly).Originally Posted by awill19
I don't know why someone would have a party in Irving, what's in Irving? Parties in Dallas, Fort Worth, and Arlington make sense, even Grapeving because of the convention center and hotel, but Irving? And I don't know about the parties, I think I heard there will be several NFL events will be spread out and the teams will be spread out. Like one team will be in Dallas and the other will be in Fort Worth or Grapevine, but parties? I have a hard time thinking that parties won't only be in Fort Worth or Dallas. Just think of this where are the best clubs to party in the area? That's where most of your parties will be.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)