Reply With QuoteThat's my point. It happens to all walks of life. Having 3 people eat the same slurpee isn't the world's problem.
Yeah, we all know that doesn't happen with rich people.
That's my point. It happens to all walks of life. Having 3 people eat the same slurpee isn't the world's problem.
Listen to the Dividing Line, Pirate Christian Radio, CARM, White Horse Inn and RTS University the most nowadays.....
Does anyone have any information on what the City of Dallas' next move will be, in light of this news?Originally Posted by Random Traffic Guy
A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool because he has to say something. - Plato
Saw this website:
http://www.hemingwaycourt.com/1/index.asp
Is it the same project? If it is, then Coppell won 'cause this community is consisted of single-families &townhouses.
You know, it's kind of absurd to try and influence another city's business decisions. I live in Desoto, and in Desoto part of the town goes to Duncanville schools. They build houses like crazy here, and they do in that part of town too. Duncanville never says anything about it. They can't. Also, half of Glenn Heights goes to Desoto schools, and they build houses like crazy there too. Desoto doesn't complain. It's not their business. Just some thoughts...Coppell is just whining.
No, antoinekhuu, this is not the right site. Your link is to a development in Irving (I think it is part of Valley Ranch) which is East of North Lake, the proposed development in Dallas city limits is South of the lake. If you look at a map of the area you will see a road (Hackberry Road) going E-W which is south of the lake. I believe that everything North of Hackberry road up to the shores of the lake is City of Dallas.
I am not smart enough to put a screen shot on here but there is an interactive map at http://maps.dallascityhall.com/ which will show what land around North Lake is in the City of Dallas.
the dude abides.
thanks, texasstar
the dude abides.
Irving city website list this project as under construction as of Jan 2007
If you've seen the billboards for "The Dump" opening up, that store is on this parcel IIRC, but in the Irving part not the Dallas part. You can see Irving's protestations of the project are less since most of the retail is in their city, whereas the housing is in Dallas. They are also building the frontage road from the Frys over to Belt Line.
"Ultimately, helmet laws save a few brains but destroy many hearts."
- T.J. DeMarco
(Any way we can get the title of this thread change to Cypress Waters Development or something similar?)
News today: Land Ruling Hands Coppell a Setback
Developer, Dallas say condemnation case ended; city may appeal
12:00 AM CST on Thursday, March 8, 2007
By ERIC AASEN / The Dallas Morning News
eaasen@dallasnews.com
Coppell officials were dealt a significant setback this week in their ongoing battle with developer Billingsley Co. over a proposed residential project near North Lake.
A Dallas County judge has ruled in favor of Billingsley and the city of Dallas, which oppose Coppell's plans to condemn some of the company's land. The ruling essentially dismisses Coppell's condemnation case, Billingsley and Dallas representatives said.
Coppell officials are considering an appeal.
"Ultimately, helmet laws save a few brains but destroy many hearts."
- T.J. DeMarco
Coppell's plan to fight the development by building a school on it can continue without the City of Dallas being involved. Not sure why Dallas thought they could intervene, since the city doesn't actually *own* the land being condemned. Transit agencies (like DART) have to get city permission before using Eminent Domain. School districts don't.
Maybe now the city can concentrate on developments that aren't in someone else's back yard.
Looking through the thread, I want to make a quick distinction.
Wednesday, March 21, 2007
Courts keep City of Dallas out of Coppell ISD's North Lake condemnation
http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2007...sds-north-lak/
By Pegasus News wire
The city of Dallas has failed in its attempt to intervene in condemnation proceedings brought by the Coppell Independent School District (CISD) to acquire 125 acres of land for a new school campus. This land, which is owned by CB Parkway, is located within the city limits of Dallas.
The Crow-Billingsley Group (CB) has plans to develop a 342-acre site for a mix of residential, retail and small neighborhood commercial uses under the name Cypress Waters.
The school district's condemnation proceedings will now proceed with court hearings on May 30, 2007 (on the school district's authority to condemn) and November 12, 2007 (on the value of the property). Once condemnation is completed, CISD will be able to commence planning and construction of the new school facilities as early as January of 2008.
* The land is in the Coppell Independent School District. Therefore, they can build a school on it.
* The land is in the City of Dallas. That doesn't amount to a hill o' beans.
I can't decide, personally, who's right in this tempest in a teapot. My first thought, though, is this: If Coppell is so dead-set against the project, and the CISD is willing to acquire it to prevent the development, why is Dallas provoking a fight? Would the development really bring in that much tax revenue compared with the services Dallas would have to provide? Or is it just a handy way for council members to look like they're sockin' it to the suburbs to avoid accountability for dropping the ball on their own constituents?
As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals... Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience's sake. - B. Obama 1/20/09
125 acres for a school? Coppell is a river-bottom community - I guess they need high ground - in this case they are not claiming the higher ground.
I'm curious if public schools have to meet zoning requirements. I know private schools do. It would be funny if CISD condemned the land, but couldn't build on it because of the zoning.
Well wouldn't this take funds out of the city of dallas since it is going to be a school and won't have to pay anything into the coffers of the city, but allow Coppell to keep 125 acres of there land open for development? Sounds kinda wrong to me. The tax revenue that this would have developed would have gone to Dallas now well it doesn't or do I have a wrong understanding of how it works.
As far as I know...city property taxes go to the city and the part that goes to schools goes to the school district that the property is in? I think...I'm not sure.
Coppell ISD is just wanting that much land in order to scuttle the whole development... I believe the development plan had one or more school sites on it already, as is usually done for developments of that size.
Government schools generally don't have zoning restrictions.
City taxes and school taxes are computed separately. The development that is in Dallas city limits would pay Dallas city taxes, Irving city limits pay Irving city taxes (I.e. all the retail, which is why you don't hear Irving squaking too much about this), and the portion that is in Coppell ISD would pay Coppell ISD, Irving ISD same, etc.
"Ultimately, helmet laws save a few brains but destroy many hearts."
- T.J. DeMarco
Another example of suburbs stepping on the toes of the 800-lb. gorilla.
Keep it up. Just keep it up.
The day will come when Dallas gets the "right" mayor and a city hall/city council that places Dallas FIRST in ALL matters.
Better watch out when that happens.
Umm, I see there is a letter to the editor in today's paper from some Coppell person criticizing DISD.
Coppell officials reach deal over North Lake land
10:37 PM CDT on Thursday, September 4, 2008
By BRANDON FORMBY / The Dallas Morning News
bformby@dallasnews.com
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...e.1778b62.html
Feuding parties in the long-running, litigation-riddled battle over a planned development around North Lake said Thursday that they have reached a compromise to divvy up nearly 1,700 acres around the coveted Dallas lake.
Coppell officials said that as part of the agreement, which has yet to be finalized, pending lawsuits involving Coppell, its school district, developer Billingsley Co. and Dallas would be withdrawn. They all stem from Billingsley's plans for a massive mixed-use project on more than 500 acres it already owns.
This week's agreement is expected to give Coppell 475 acres of the land and the Coppell school district 122 acres. About 50 acres would be retained by current owner Luminant Energy, a subsidiary of Energy Future Holdings, formerly TXU, which has a power plant near the lake. Billingsley would end up with an estimated 1,043 acres, including the hundreds of acres it already owns.
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Yes, this all finally got settled. Cypress Waters will eventually grow to have residential developments. It's actually different than Hemingway Court, although both are in Coppell.
Economic Development Committee Briefing:
http://www.dallascityhall.com/commit...ict_092010.pdf
That's significant. A little disappointed to see such low density development around the proposed rail station.
That's because you don't live in Coppell.
I'm sure they consider 10,000 residential units more than enough.
Still a little miffed at the bad-blood legal action stemming from the not-in-my-neighborhood SOP of satellite communities with all the self awareness and foresight of a spoiled brat two year old throwing a temper tantrum, but at least some sort of arrangement seems agreeable to everyone in this deal:
http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/bl...-670-unit.html
Curious, does Coppell have an arrangement to contribute financially to the Cotton Belt project?Dallas Business Journal - by Lance Murray , Digital Content Producer
Date: Tuesday, August 16, 2011, 6:45am CDT
Dallas-based Billingsley Co. is seeking the city of Dallas' approval for the planned Cypress Waters, 670-unit apartment and townhouse project at the intersection of Belt Line Road and Hackberry Road.
Billingsley wants to build 519 apartments and 151 townhouses. The company has nearly 1,000 acres at the site, according to a newspaper report.
Follow-up time (thread-watering) :
Billingsley starts work on ambitious Dallas rental development
http://www.dallasnews.com/business/c...#ssStory537729
Construction on once-controversial apartment community well underway
http://irvingblog.dallasnews.com/arc...controver.html
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Developer Billingsley Co. has started construction on the 1,000-acre development, with the first 673 apartments expected to be ready by early 2013. . .
. . .“We have the potential to build 10,000 units here, so we needed to start this project in a major way,” developer Lucy Billingsley said. “Our hope and dream is we build a master-planned rental living community.”
. . .Each project will have a different feel and will tie in with walking trails. . . the buildings will range from high-end townhouse-style units to contemporary Texas-themed designs. . .
. . .“We will also have restaurants on the lake.” (The lake) will be reduced to about 300 acres. The old power plant. . . is being removed. . .
Last edited by CTroyMathis; 13 April 2012 at 04:02 PM.
This massive up to 10,000 unit residential complex that Billingsley is developing is actually within the City Limits of Dallas, not Coppell. The article highlights that fact.
Shouldn't the heading of this thread be changed to reflect that this is a City of Dallas development??
This is incredibly good news for Dallas as massive developments such as this, and all of the other major residential projects either started or announced within the city limits, will ensure population growth for Dallas for the next census in 2020.
Last edited by Dallas Soars; 13 April 2012 at 05:29 PM.
It would be sort of weird to live there and have a Dallas address... Might be attractive to young people to say they actually live in Dallas instead of Coppell or Las Colinas or Valley Ranch... Because let's be honest, if you live in Las Colinas or Valley Ranch you don't tell people you live in Irving (or at least me and everyone I know say we live in Las Colinas)... But I can confirm dirt has been moving on this project for a few months now.
Interesting how they're changing the shape of the lake a bit and reducing the water level. It's a huge development.
The north side of the lake could eventually become a TOD and the power plant will be going away. It would be interesting to see some structural elements of the power plant preserved as a sculpture/landmark, similar to Gas Works Park in Seattle. The power plant is the reason the lake exists, anyway.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo traffic on Macarthur is already bad enough
The majority of the traffic would dump onto Beltline.
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Here's hoping they choose the rail instead.
Bike, walk, or take public transit.
If car traffic is ever something causing you to want less development, you live in the wrong place.
Well usually the fingers of that lake were generally dry for the most part. Would it be nice to see it left in a 'natural' state? Yes, but, I like the fact that they will give the lake that walled canal effect. To me it cleans up the area a lot more.Interesting how they're changing the shape of the lake a bit and reducing the water level. It's a huge development.
The north side of the lake could eventually become a TOD and the power plant will be going away. It would be interesting to see some structural elements of the power plant preserved as a sculpture/landmark, similar to Gas Works Park in Seattle. The power plant is the reason the lake exists, anyway.
Otherwise, I am glad to see this development coming. And, yes as a young person (mid 20's) a development like this really has my interested piqued. I am just curious about rail/bus options in the area.
While this abuts belt line, all of the major shopping is off of MacArthur to the southeast of this rendering. For commuting and access to 635 I agree that a lot of it will use belt line, but for shopping and dining, they'll be on Macarthur.
Ranger: nice to see that after just one week of being back you're already telling people that they live in the wrong place (at the wrong time, for the wrong reasons, with the wrong people, in the wrong way)
Mac Arthur has plenty of capacity to contain the influx of shoppers. In addition if you go north on Beltline not much farther than it would take you to get to Mac Arthur there was shopping centers with basic needs like groceries. Most of the retailers that built in the blocks between 635 and George Bush built there because of the resdential projections that included developments like this. Mid last decade some of that retail struggled because the residential wasn't coming as fast as it was projected when the shopping centers were built. So I'm sure the retailers are breathing a sigh on relief seeing another large development come into the area.
This area isn't any different from other metro's suburban shopping hubs. I was in Falls Church, VA a few weeks ago in the Seven Corners area and it took me 30 minutes to make it 3 to 5 miles on Arlington Blvd. And most retailers would kill to get even the crappiest sq footage to do a build out in there. This is no different to the blocks of MacArthur between 635 and GB (and hopefully extending to SH114 over the next few years).
Will this project affect Coppell ISD and real estate prices around this project. Please let me know what you guys think?. Thanks.
http://www.dallasnews.com/business/c...north-lake.ece
Population density in Dallas County tacking along the same course pioneered by Los Angeles County.By STEVE BROWN
07 November 2012
Developer Billingsley Co. is finalizing plans for the second phase of its big Cypress Waters development on West LBJ Freeway.
The addition to the 1,000-acre project will include a new office park adjoining a new apartment community.... project is planned to contain more than a million square feet of industrial space in several buildings.
...“We would love nothing more than to be launching buildings in the corporate campus,” Billingsley said. “We are putting proposals out. “The great thing about the current cost of money is you can build a new building for less than you can lease an old one,” she said.
Billingsley is now building 686 apartment units in the first phase of Cypress Waters ... ready in the project in April.
...The overall development is planned to ultimately contain 10,000 residential units — mostly apartments — plus 4 million square feet of offices and 400,000 square feet of retail space.
Is that a good or bad thing?
I recalll reading in Robert Bruegmann's Sprawl that "Greater Los Angeles" had a higher population density than "Greater New York." Despite the very dense areas on or near Manhattan, the suburbs and exurbs spread way out. Or at least "way out" compared to the medium-high density of Southern California. The author attributed this to water-access, which makes sense.
Last edited by profbarium; 08 November 2012 at 05:39 PM. Reason: Added "or bad" to initial question; do not mean to imply bias
The medium density in greater LA is pretty damned good and underrated. Especially western LA County. Similar to San Fran in many respects, but never gets that kind of credit.
LA is really quite dense. There aren't unused plots of land. There are wide sidewalks in the front of the buildings with parking in the back. I'd love for Dallas to be as dense as LA.
DAGNABBIT!
http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/20...-project.html/
Looks like Cypress Waters is getting started with its commercial spaces...
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