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    Parkland Hospital: News and Construction

    Parkland Hospital needs our help. They deliver over 16,000 babies a year. 85% of these babies are born into poverty. Most of them will go home in nothing more than a diaper.

    Newborns In Need, Inc. is an organization that helps provide these tiny little babies with essentials to begin their lives. We donate (many are hand made) baby blankets, quilts, hats, clothes and more to the hospital and they make sure that every baby in need goes home with something.

    WE NEED YOUR HELP!!!
    * You can use your sewing, knitting, crocheting skills to help make the blankets, quilts, hats and clothes.

    * You can have a "Baby Shower" with your church, work or organization to collect things for these babies.

    * You can donate fabric, sewing supplies, sewing machines, sergers, etc. so we can continue to make the baby items.

    If anyone is interested in finding out more information about this organization and how you can help, please send an email to nin_northdallas@yahoo.com You can also feel free to visit us on the web at http://www.newbornsinneed.org/dallastx

    Thank you and won't you join us as we try to make a difference in these tiny baby's lives.

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    Parkland growing tired of paying neighbors tab

    Parkland growing tired of picking up neighbors' tab
    Patients from Collin, elsewhere say they have no place else to turn
    10:41 PM CDT on Wednesday, June 23, 2004
    By SHERRY JACOBSON / The Dallas Morning News

    Gordon Broward had meager medical options when the pain in his lower back became too much to bear.

    The unemployed telecom manager had no medical insurance. He had no money to pay for a doctor visit. And there was no public hospital in Collin County that would readily accept him as a patient.

    So the 47-year-old Plano resident drove 20 miles south to the only public facility he knew, Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas.

    His painful act of desperation, and that of thousands of other out-of-county residents, has turned into a major political issue in Dallas County. Officials are questioning why so many people are crossing county lines to get to Parkland and then leaving without paying their bills.

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    Last year, Dallas County taxpayers were forced to cover almost $33 million in unpaid medical expenses at Parkland by nonresidents. Two-thirds of the non-Dallas County visits were from neighboring Collin, Denton and Tarrant counties. "It isn't fair," said Dallas County Judge Margaret Keliher, who leads the Commissioners Court. "Our taxpayers are getting stuck paying for people who come to Parkland from other counties and don't pay their bills." Mr. Broward admitted that he was one of them. After eight hours in the emergency room, tests showed he had a deteriorating disc in his back that someday might require surgery. He was grateful for the diagnosis but couldn't pay the $1,086 bill.

    "I feel really bad about it," he explained of the unpaid bill from November. "I started a new job recently, and I have major debts from being unemployed. There's no way I can pay it." Parkland officials have heard it time and again from uninsured, out-of-county patients. They have no public hospital at home, so Parkland has to bail them out. "The real problem isn't poor rural counties," said Dr. Ron Anderson, Parkland's president and chief executive officer. "It's wealthy counties that don't have the will to take care of their own people."

    Collin County factor

    Collin County is Texas' wealthiest county, according to the 2000 census. Its residents had a median household income of $70,292 in 1999 compared with $43,119 for Dallas County households. A recent report on Parkland's out-of-county expenses indicates that Collin County residents make more visits to Dallas County's public hospital than residents of any other county. Last year, people from Collin County accounted for 18,657 outpatient visits at Parkland as well as 1,776 hospital admissions, which totaled a third of the Dallas hospital's out-of-county care. Although most of those Collin County patients had public or private insurance coverage, their unpaid bills totaled $7.3 million.

    However, Parkland officials blame most of the loss on low insurance reimbursement. Counties can't be billed when Medicaid and even commercial carriers do not pay hospitals the full cost of care. In the big picture, out-of-county patients are a relatively small piece of Parkland's $812 million annual budget. But the issue is as much about fairness as it is about money. Parkland officials said they would be happy if Collin County, for one, would fork over a greater share of the cost of caring for its uninsured residents. Their care at the Dallas hospital alone totaled $2.7 million in 2003. "We do everything we can legally do to collect this money from out-of-county patients," said John Gates, Parkland's chief financial officer. "It seems to me that other counties should recognize our problem and help us pay these bills. It's the decent thing to do."

    Collin did pay Parkland $84,890 last year for taking care of a small group of patients who qualified as indigent by that county's criteria. But Collin's indigent coverage only goes to the poorest residents – those whose incomes don't exceed 25 percent of the federal poverty level or $4,712 a year for a family of four. Collin County Commissioner Phyllis Cole defended her county's decision to support only the poorest uninsured residents. "We're not supposed to be a health care provider of all uninsured people," she insisted. "We're a provider of last resort." In Texas, counties that don't have hospital districts or public hospitals are responsible for providing health care for only their indigent residents. But state law allows counties to define the indigent income level they are willing to cover – as low as 21 percent of the federal poverty level. Most counties pick the lowest end of the scale, meaning that the vast majority of the state's 5.4 million uninsured residents don't qualify for indigent coverage.

    Texas has the nation's highest level of uninsured residents, 24.7 percent, mainly due to high unemployment, a heavy migrant population, a service-based economy and relatively weak health programs, experts said. The state's Medicaid program, for example, covers adults only if they have children younger than 19 and earn no more than 25 percent of the federal poverty level. "It falls on the big public hospitals in the state, including Parkland, to pick up a disproportionate share of their care," said Dr. Anderson of the uninsured. Ms. Cole said Collin County decided to target only its poorest residents for indigent care in the belief that many people simply choose not to buy health insurance. "In some way or fashion, they made that decision," she said. "It's up to you what you chose to do" about getting health insurance. An estimated 78,000 Collin County residents are uninsured, according to a 2002 study by the Dallas/Fort Worth Hospital Council. Aside from those who go to Parkland, it's not clear where they get medical care.

    Easy access

    Collin County officials blame Parkland for allowing such easy access to its services. "Parkland has been taking our residents in their clinics for years, and they don't question their income levels and where they come from," Ms. Cole said. "Parkland likes to blame their problems on Collin County. That's just an easy way out. " There is no denying that Dallas County's public health system serves up a tempting buffet of medical options including 10 community clinics, 150 specialty clinics, a 985-bed hospital and a highly regarded emergency room. Dr. Anderson said federal law prohibits Parkland from turning away people who need immediate treatment, regardless of where they live. In recent years, Parkland staffers have tried to send patients back to Collin County and elsewhere – but only after their medical conditions have been stabilized, he said. Parkland's top administrators reject the idea that the hospital and its staff are to blame for responding to the needs of sick and injured people. "Why do we continue to blame doctors for taking care of sick people?" Dr. Anderson asked. "There has to be a better way to fix this problem than to blame us for doing what we're supposed to do."

    Sale of hospital

    Parkland became a medical magnet for Collin County residents after Collin County officials sold the county's public hospital in 1983. That was the year voters rejected a $16 million bond election to renovate Collin Memorial Hospital, the public hospital in McKinney, the county seat. Collin County officials felt they had no option but to sell it, said County Commissioner Jerry Hoagland, who approved of the sale. "It was quite old and too expensive to maintain," he said of the then 25-year-old hospital. "We sold it for lack of public support and got about $13 million, which was a lot of money in 1983." Since then, a trust fund has paid for indigent health care in Collin County, using money from the hospital's sale, accrued interest and a portion of the state's tobacco settlement. The fund is valued at $24 million.

    Little available in Collin

    Uninsured patients who venture into Collin County's public health system find a handful of community clinics in Plano and McKinney. The facilities usually are open once or twice a week and are staffed by volunteer doctors and nurses, who often must turn away patients because the operations are so small. "Our elected officials don't realize how bad it is," said Dr. Jim Wilson, a McKinney family practitioner, who volunteers Thursday nights at the Collin County Adult Clinic in Plano. "We'll have to turn away 20 to 24 people tonight because we just don't have the capability to serve them." On a recent Thursday, the makeshift clinic, which is in office space belonging to St. Mark's Catholic Church, had four volunteer doctors juggling 64 patients, most of them Hispanic adults seeking medication for chronic conditions such as diabetes, hypertension and heart disease.

    The doctors examined their patients behind coat racks draped with white sheets and wrote about 100 prescriptions before the three-hour session ended. Several patients in the clinic's overcrowded waiting room said their previous doctors had been willing to give them free medication until they could no longer afford an office visit. "Our family doctor was giving us free drug samples until April, when my wife got a letter that said it would end," said Tony Kuehn, a Plano resident who has been uninsured since he lost his job last year. After a six-hour wait at the clinic, he left with two of the drugs he sought and a prescription for a third. The growing demand for free prescription drugs in Collin County has become a burden on the Plano clinic, said Jerry Weis, its spokesman. "We don't want these patients to keep coming back to us every month for refills, but there's nowhere else for them to go in this county."

    In its first year of operation, the free clinic subsisted mainly on donated drug samples, a $50,000 grant from county commissioners and a smattering of $10 donations from patients. With its patient load now exceeding 1,000 people, the clinic needs a permanent site and better cooperation with other health care providers in the county, Mr. Weis said. "The hospitals are not willing to take uninsured patients," he said. "In fact, they stabilize people in their emergency rooms and send them to us. I guess they have no other recourse." Private hospitals in Collin County are seeing more and more uninsured patients in their emergency rooms, complained several officials. "People are using our ER as a family practice doctor," said Sandra Fulce, director of business development and community relations at North Central Medical Center in McKinney. She estimated that her hospital spent $27 million last year caring for uninsured patients.

    "The private, for-profit hospitals pay a tremendous amount of taxes in this county," she said. "But we can't continue to absorb the burden of indigent care." Collin County will spend about $2 million reimbursing some of the health providers, including North Central Medical Center, for treating the county's indigent residents. Another $500,000 will be spent on direct indigent care at the county health department. By comparison, Dallas County property owners will pay $322 million in taxes for Parkland, about 10 percent of which covers the unpaid bills of out-of-county patients. The public hospital, which gets more than 60 percent of its funding from Medicare, Medicaid and other sources, treated about 350,000 patients last year. Officials predict that the growing political pressures in Dallas County eventually could convince some Parkland patients to go back to their home counties. Collin County, for one, is expecting its indigent patient load to grow to about 700 people this year from about 400 in 2003.

    "Three months ago, Parkland said they were going to be turning away our patients, but we never saw a blip in our [indigent] numbers," said Collin County Administrator Bill Bilyeu. "Did those people just stop needing health care? I don't know."

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    What a shame.

    Collin County officials blame Parkland for allowing such easy access to its services.
    Are you kidding me?
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    Borther, can you spare a dime?

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    The real problem isnt Collin County. The problem is illegal immigrants flooding the healthcare system just like the schools. I have to pay for healthcare but some illegal immigrant WHO SHOULDNT EVEN BE HERE gets free healthcare. Then they wonder why the system is failing??? Because NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE wants to address the real problem because politicians are too busy being PC friendly as to not to offend people who shouldnt even be here and hispanic special interest groups. Boo hoo. But Collin County is the big problem??? heh. that doesnt even scratch the surface of the problem.

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    Don't illegal immigrants generally live in Dallas county apartments and pay land taxes (through their landlords), too? They bring problems with them, but they come to America to eke out a living for their family. Maybe if we could make them legal immigrants, they could demand a legal wage (thereby reducing crime, the burden on the healthcare system, and the other problems poverty brings).
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    Illegal aliens pay taxes just like everyone else. The real problem is the warped process of assessing and collecting tax.

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    ^Correct. The process of collecting taxes in this country complicate a lot of things.

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    what is so warped about it?

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    Just think about all the different ways taxes are collected. Think of all the rules, loopholes. This could be simplified into a simpler one time tax, and let the workers sort it out. Instead we have a tax system that is made complicated and keeps a certain segment working on it.

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    That it is legal for a US based company to set up corp. division in another country to avoid paying taxes is warped. Corporate donations to non-profit organizations register with the IRS as a deduction, that's warped. I dont know why an entire industry needs to exist to file personal income tax; I think the complexity of filing personal income tax should not exceed a 6th grade reading level. Once it was necessary to legally protect corporations so our economy could grow. Now, it's time to protect the majority of our citizens from purposeful manipulations of income reporting rules. Interaction with the IRS should directly favor the majority rather than the minority.

    Oh, and it's warped that Collin County does not send a check to Parkland. Collin Co. should expect a bill until there is a Collin County hospital which will share the burden.
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    I think everyone is correct. We must address the illegal alien problem. Collin County must be held responsible. Guys like Broward who were telecom mangers have no business not paying bills. Yet another reason for regional government.

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    I beg to differ, from what I see most illegals are paid in cash.

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    being a Collin resident I agree we should pay the tab...but like someone said this is not the real issue. The real issue isnt being addressed but rather avoided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriscoRocks
    being a Collin resident I agree we should pay the tab...but like someone said this is not the real issue. The real issue isnt being addressed but rather avoided.
    What do you think the real problem is friscorocks.
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    Illegal immigrants coming here and taking advantage of the free healthcare system - that is the root of the problem.

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    Yes, illegal immigrants from Collin County.
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    I don't mean to hijack the thread but it is sort of relevant. Take it for what it is worth considering the source, but Michael Savage said 29 percent of people in U.S. prisons are illegal aliens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foucault
    Yes, illegal immigrants from Collin County.
    Oh, yes, Collin County has no illegal immigrants. They also have not a single person who doesn't make less than 100,000 dollars a year and no crime and no blight. Of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flaming Moderate
    I don't mean to hijack the thread but it is sort of relevant. Take it for what it is worth considering the source, but Michael Savage said 29 percent of people in U.S. prisons are illegal aliens.
    That is some interesting information, and even if it is inflated, that's kind of a dangerous number. Sad, really.

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    and a lot of people in U.S. prisons are there for minor possesion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaming Moderate
    I don't mean to hijack the thread but it is sort of relevant. Take it for what it is worth considering the source, but Michael Savage said 29 percent of people in U.S. prisons are illegal aliens.
    Did he even bother to say where he got this "information".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Man of Leisure
    Did he even bother to say where he got this "information".
    Yeah, he's more like Michael Moore than most will admit...

    There! I'm open-minded! Happy?!

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    No. I was not listening to the show; it was a promo. It would be a public record so not terribly hard to verify I suppose.

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    Collin County hospitals....

    my wife found ot about 8 weeks ago that she has three kidney stones trying to pass all at one time. she has no insurance. we live about a 1/4 mile north of dallas county in richardson. the stones, the doctor at richardson regional medical center said, would not pass on their own and needed to be removed by surgery. then he went on to say that he would not be able to help her unless she had insurance or the $6000 to pay up front. well obviously we didnt have that kind of money so we went to Parkland of dallas county. we waited for ever 15 hours before even being seen by anyone. finally a nurse came back and said that unless she was a patient of dalals county that she would have to leave. needless to say we were outraged that nobody bothered to tell us that at the beginning of the 15 hour wait. ive been calling every place i can think of to find a way for her to get surgery to no avail. its getting to the point now to where she cant work. i find it extremely appauling that collin, one of the wealthiest counties in texas, cant put up a hospital to take care of its own people. what are we supposed to do? where are we supposed to go? very few people can afford insurance anymore. its too dam expensive. are we just simply supposed to wait until she cant even urinate anymore? at that point its life threatening. ill be damned if i let it get to that point. i am at wits end and have nowhere to turn. can someone please point me in the right direction? what do i do? where can i go for help?

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    Man, that's horrible. I'm so sorry

    I didn't think they turned away non-Dallas County residents at Parkland..

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    Good luck. I wish I could help you.
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    I have my doubts about the story -- though the 15 hour wait part is certainly a reality at Parkland. If you're bleeding profusely, have chest pains, or are suicidal, then it's the place to be. For anything that can wait... you will.

    However, *if* you filled out the paperwork correctly at first, *and* were helpful and fully informative with the overworked and overwhelmed staff, *and* asked the right questions early on, then you *should* have been alerted to any residency problems.

    I'm still not sure about the residency thing, though... I know Parkland treats plenty of out-of-county folks, at least for life-threatening emergencies. Why not to to one of Parkland's community clinics and get more information -- including the answer to the question, "If you can't treat us, who can?"

    Here's an interesting page from the Parkland site:

    http://www.parklandhospital.com/heri...hallenges.html
    Challenges
    * Facing increasing demands for services through both patient growth and the inability of facilities to meet this growing demand
    * Strain on current facilities limits access to all populations, including Medicare and other paying patients
    * Poverty population has increasingly spread to the suburbs – however, these suburbs do not all lie within Dallas County and the volume of out-of-county patients continues to grow without other counties helping to offset costs

    Challenges as a Safety Net Provider
    * We must maintain utility-like or value-added services requiring high “stand ready” costs
    * Must bear higher costs of caring for high volumes of low-income patients
    * Must bear higher drug costs associated with special populations like HIV/AIDS patients
    * Must absorb cost of medical education, clinical research, new procedure development
    * Current system is not sustainable
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    Most of the private Dallas hospitals have branch locations in Collin County. (Baylor, Presby, Children's, Tenet, etc)

    Parkland should setup a Collin County location and extend the property tax district to cover Collin County.

    Is this a case of public versus private where public is slow to react to the market demand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by psukhu
    Most of the private Dallas hospitals have branch locations in Collin County. (Baylor, Presby, Children's, Tenet, etc)

    Parkland should setup a Collin County location and extend the property tax district to cover Collin County.

    Is this a case of public versus private where public is slow to react to the market demand?
    I'm sure Parkland would absolutely, positively jump at the chance to set up a location in Collin County, and extend their property tax district to the booming northern suburbs. There's just the leeeeetle matter of getting those property owners to sign up for the deal...
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    My sister-in-law recently broke her ankle. She is like many of the "uninsured." She drives an Expedition and lives in an almost $200K house. She has premium satellite television and regularly goes on vacation out of the country with her husband and two kids. But she does not have health insurance. She could - my wife and I are self-insured through Unicare for $245/month for a 3-person family, but she chooses to spend her money on other things. Anyway, she broke her ankle and drove over to Parkland to get it set and fixed for free.

    I agree that health care is too expensive, but why should the county pay for one's health care? One of the reason insurance is so expensive - and health care in general - is because people like my sister-in-law, illegals aliens, and others drain the system. My insurance insures me and my family as well as 1.8 other people or so who choose not to have insurance. To fix this problem we're are going to have to ask hard questions: of doctors, of insurance companies, of pharm companies, and gosh forbid, acutal people who use the system. This is much too complicated for a proper discussion to be had online, but it is not a simple or black and white issue.

    However, as long as we're going to pass out free health care to illegals and others who do not want to get insurance for whatever reason, we're going to have these problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertB
    I'm sure Parkland would absolutely, positively jump at the chance to set up a location in Collin County, and extend their property tax district to the booming northern suburbs. There's just the leeeeetle matter of getting those property owners to sign up for the deal...
    I'm sure Collin County residents would go for it. It is only a couple hundred bucks per year on a $200k house.

    It is a small price to pay for everyone in the county to get free health care.

    Does this need to get on a ballot? How come we've never heard of an effort to get this done?

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    There was an article in The Observer about this last year. They interviewed the guy who heads up Parkland, and he said that they have tried numerous times to work out a solution with surrounding counties, but every time proposed legislation comes up, it gets shot down. He said the main reason for this was that the Texas legislature is very suburb-friendly.

    I think I posted the article on a previous thread about Parkland.
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    Here's the Observer piece. It's actually a Jim Schutze column

    http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues...s/schutze.html

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    Die, Poor People, Die!
    Who's in the right about Dallas' charity hospital?
    By Jim Schutze

    Published: Thursday, April 22, 2004


    Mark Graham
    The real Ron Anderson, champion of the oppressed? Or leader of the lab-coat elite?

    The news coverage of Dallas' public hospital is always operatic. In a gleaming castle high above Stemmons Freeway, hundreds of Dr. Schweitzer clones in white coats practice noble healing arts on the poor. But the castle is under ceaseless attack from an army of right-wing Nazi meatballs screaming, "Die, poor people, die!"

    The Nazi meatballs are always unfairly accusing the Drs. Schweitzer of wasting taxpayer money. All the Schweitzers want to do is "Heal, heal, we tell you!" At the end of every performance, Dr. Ron J. Anderson, president and CEO of Parkland Memorial Hospital, hurls himself from a parapet. Next morning, he's back at his desk without a scratch--a medical marvel.

    I always figured it was true. It's not as if we lack for Nazi meatballs in this town. And Anderson, who has been head of Parkland for 22 years, is a forceful and eloquent champion of decent health care for the needy. I'm surprised he's not in jail.

    But the caution for all of us--the suggestion that maybe there's more to Parkland than the opera--should have come at the beginning of this month when a majority of the Parkland Board of Management threw in the towel and resigned their positions, some of them publicly citing frustration with Anderson.

    Let's put that in perspective. Parkland is an $850 million-a-year operation. That puts it almost in range with the Dallas Independent School District, which has a budget of about $1.1 billion. The city of Dallas is running a budget of about $1.9 billion, so Parkland is almost half as big as the city.

    Hey. What would you think if a majority of the city council cleaned out their desks and went home one day because they couldn't get the city manager to listen to them? Wouldn't that be a cause for concern? I was concerned enough to call Cynthia Comparin, the board chair who resigned, to ask if I could come talk to her.

    You may recall the very operatic scene that preceded her resignation--legions of the poor attempting to attend a meeting of the board at Parkland and being turned away at the castle gate. That scene was all over the TV news, where it was full of sound and fury and made absolutely no sense.

    The legions of the poor were orchestrated by a couple of people I have known over the years and for whom I have great respect, the Reverend Peter Johnson and the Reverend Gerald Britt. They brought poor and working-class people to the Parkland board meeting to express worries about budget cuts at the hospital.

    Comparin was stubborn and would not move her board meeting to a larger room so that the throng could be accommodated. Angry statements were made to the television cameras, pretty much accusing Comparin of being a Nazi dog. Within a week, she and her allies were gone from the board.

    So that's why I called. To see if she was a Nazi dog. I was kind of hoping she would be, because that would reinforce my worldview.

    Instead, when I was ushered into her office in a downtown tower, I discovered a chic young Hispanic woman, owner and CEO of a successful high-tech start-up company--really smart, thoughtful, with a generally conservative business-world outlook. She does not want the poor to die unhealed. She does think Parkland needs a more accountable manager than Anderson.

    She laid out her issues plainly. The taxpayers of Dallas County provide more than one-third of Parkland's revenues through property taxes. Comparin thinks Anderson should have been more candid with voters over the years about how much of that money Parkland loses every year treating patients from other counties. According to the numbers she showed me, Parkland loses $33 million a year on patients who don't live in Dallas County.

    "Collin County residents are $6 million of that $33 million," she said, "and they're the richest county in North Texas. I don't care if they're indigent, that county has a responsibility for them where they live. Why should the Dallas County taxpayers pay for them?

    "And what's ironic about the thing is that the biggest absolute dollars we pay in that $33 million is for Tarrant County residents, and they have a public hospital."

    Dr. Anderson has heard all of these charges a million times and has ready answers. On the particular issue of people from other counties who come to Parkland and don't pay, he said he has fought that battle from the courthouse to the statehouse steps for decades. He would like nothing more than a law forcing those other counties to pay Parkland for the bills their residents run up.

    "I'm the guy who in 1982 sued several counties around and won," he said. "That led to us getting legislation passed, and then the legislation was sabotaged."

    Big cities in Texas get raped on things like this because the Legislature is still rural-dominated, he said. Rural and suburban counties like Collin love getting away with sticking the big city. Anderson can't control that. The Legislature will not pass laws forcing rural and suburban counties to pay back urban counties for these losses according to any realistic or fair formula.


    But here is where we finally get down to what that opera scene was all about with the throng and the wrong and the gong and the TV cameras and so on. Comparin points out that the law does not require Parkland to admit everybody for everything. Genuine emergencies, of course. But federal law states that federally supported public hospitals must provide indigent care only under a carefully drawn set of standards.

    Rather than passively accept $33 million a year in losses for out-of-county patients, Comparin and her group would like to see an admissions policy with a stiffer arm, pushing some people back out the door, not admitting them to the hospital in the first place when it's clear they won't be able to pay and where barring them would be legal.

    Anderson, on the other hand, not only opposes that approach to solving the hospital's problems but routinely paints it as inhumane and racist. Getting tough on out-of-county poor is in the same bag with cracking down on care for illegal immigrants--a Scrooge-like policy that would leave people dying under bridges. In a recent letter to television stations airing political ads he found offensive, Anderson said: "As a safety net hospital, there are no illegitimate patients when people are sick and in need. Whether liked or disliked, immigrants are a part of the Dallas community, and when they are sick they should have mercy."

    I find that hard to argue with. I find it stirring. It's my kind of speech. But Cynthia Comparin, understandably, finds it very damn irritating to be painted as a racist, even if only by extension.

    "My grandmother was an immigrant from Mexico," she said. "My father's first language was Spanish. He learned English when he went to school in San Antonio. My mother is a schoolteacher. There is nothing blue-blood about me. I happen to have had wonderful parents who gave me a great work ethic."

    Pretty tough to argue with that one, too.

    I asked her why she and her group quit the board. If they were the majority and believed Anderson was doing a bad job, why didn't they just fire him? She dodged the question a little but suggested clearly that they lacked the political clout to do so. And right there, I see a problem: a hired manager who has more political stroke in the city than his bosses. That seems like a wrong situation on the face of it.

    The rap on Comparin and her cohort from Anderson's defenders is that they don't have medical backgrounds and know too little about the special needs and complexities of the health-care universe. I had a good conversation with Parkland board member Gary B. Wood, who owns hospitals in Latin America and reveres Ron Anderson as a "thought leader" in his field. Wood sent me his own lengthy analysis to show that Parkland operates near the top of its field.

    Wood's conclusion, however, seemed to be that all the grand opera at Parkland is the fault of too much democracy. His analysis included a recommendation that seats on the hospital's Board of Management be set aside by law for special interest groups including the Dallas Citizens Council, a secret organization that dates from the pre-Civil Rights era.

    Zowee. That's one bad idea!

    Comparin suggests the problem is the contrary--that Parkland is too linked at the hip to the sawbones establishment for which Anderson is a standard-bearer and hero. What do doctors always want? More doctoring. What do doctors always think? Everybody else is stupid. Whose money do doctors always want to spend? Everybody else's.

    So here's another way to look at Comparin. Far from being a right-wing Nazi dog, maybe she is the standard-bearer for the common old taxpayer. Maybe Anderson is the champion of an elite--in this case the white-coat elite of Schweitzer clones who believe that other people's money is no object.

    Look, one bottom line here is that Anderson is a great leader for his cause and a leading citizen of the town. When he speaks, Ron Anderson deserves to be taken very seriously.

    But he's also a staff guy. Those board members are his bosses. They represent you and me. It's our money. We need more public input, certainly not less.

    The Citizens Council! Where did that one come from? That's just scary. We'd be better off turning Parkland over to those guys in the fezzes who ride the little miniature motorcycles in parades. And anyway, the Citizens Council can't come out during daylight hours. Or look at mirrors. What a scene that would be: board meetings in the crypt. Talk about opera.
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    I have never understood why people do not simply budget health insurance into their budget. Which is more important, having cable tv or health insurance. Granted the poor of the poor do have an excuse. Do I feed my children or take them to the doctor. Another problem is cheap insurance that does not cover everything. My sister while in college, had insurance though her school. She had a tumor on her spinal cord that was pressing on her nerves. Her insurance paid the first 20 thousand of a 200 thousand dollar bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaming Moderate
    However, as long as we're going to pass out free health care to illegals and others who do not want to get insurance for whatever reason, we're going to have these problems.
    Your blanket statement leaves my feet uncovered.

    As long as basic health care is considered a privilege and not a right -- as long as it's a profit center instead of an essential service -- we're going to have these problems. In the capitalist system, there are winners and losers. This isn't a value judgement; it's just how the system works. As long as health insurance is fully part of that system, there will be losers: those who uninsure or underinsure, whether by choice or by chance.

    If health care were a commodity like, say, frozen concentrated orange juice, this would not be a problem. If you choose not to buy enough FCOJ, then you have to drink water. But health care is not a commodity, because without it, people die. Perhaps in some dystopian Brave New World, those who make such choices will be left on the side of the road to rot, but thank God we haven't reached that point.

    As long as the nation's healthcare system is based on profit, there will be a "problem". And whether we continue the current profit-driven system, or move to the sort of subsidies common in most Western democracies, it's the taxpayers who will pay the bill in the end. Even if it's to pay for disposal of the bodies lining the freeway.
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    You have a good point and are correct in many regards. That is why I say this is such a complicated issue. Clearly though, health care is not necessarily profitable -- citing the hospitals in Calif. closing due to free illegal health care and doctors leaving practices due to widespread tort abuse.

    As BoredKid pointed out, most of the uninsured in the country are so because they choose to be. The truly poor get Medicaid. Many young people choose to spend their money on Dolche & Gabana (or whatever) because they think they're young and thus do not need it. Others, ironically, would rather buy beer, cigarettes, or cable than insurance. Besides ... why bother when you can either 1. get it free or 2. not pay your bills.

    I know the above is a generalization, but it is a real part of the picture. My fear with a public system is its poor quality ... see Canada, U.K., etc. Ironically, all those people who hate managed care support a public system. The irony is they claim: "we don't want insurance companies deciding our care, we want our doctor to do that," yet they support the government - the insurer - to make those decisions in a public system. I much would rather a nurse case manager make a decision on care than a bureaucrat.

    The advantage to a profit-based system is that it drives innovation; it is no mystery why so many pharmas are developed in the U.S. However, it also invites abuse. There are some common sense approaches that could be done, but I doubt we have the stomach for it. For example, when someone drives up to Parkland in a BMW, get their SS and DL info ... garnish wages. If an illegal comes in, discharge him or her to Las Migras.

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    (This may need a new thread, but for the sake of economy I placed it here)

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....121519c5.html

    Replace Parkland, panel says

    Dallas County: Hospital to devise options; partial reuse of facility possible

    07:10 AM CST on Wednesday, January 11, 2006

    By SHERRY JACOBSON / The Dallas Morning News

    An advisory panel agreed Tuesday that Parkland Memorial Hospital – overcrowded and aging – needs to be replaced with new medical facilities.

    Following the unanimous vote, Parkland officials were asked to come up with replacement options that the 13-member group could consider. The panel, which was appointed by the Dallas County Commissioners Court, will make recommendations to Parkland's board of managers later this year.

    Such plans could include a proposal for a new 800- to 1,000-bed inpatient facility as well as one for a smaller central hospital with satellite inpatient facilities to handle trauma care and obstetric patients.

    Another possible plan could call for reusing a portion of the old hospital building for specialized medicine such as rehabilitation or long-term care.

    Any hospital replacement plan would have to be approved by Parkland's board, the county commissioners and, probably, Dallas County residents, who would be asked to approve a bond sale to cover the costs.

    Previous estimates have priced a new hospital at $1 billion or more.

    Dr. Ron Anderson, Parkland's president and chief executive officer, called the vote an important first step in the lengthy process of replacing the 51-year-old county hospital.

    "They took the big step, indicating they see a need for a new system," he said, following the meeting. "The next few meetings will look at the scope of services the system would provide."

    The advisory committee stressed, however, that it had not endorsed any specific plan to replace Parkland.

    "We just decided that we're not going to pour more money into the old facility," said Wendy Lopez, the group's chairwoman. "We're looking for a proposal for a new health care system."

    A hospital-funded study in November showed it would cost as much as $139 million in basic improvements to keep the aging facility operational for 25 to 30 more years. Such an investment would not bring the building into code compliance, it was noted.

    Such compliance with state and federal codes would cost Parkland about 30 percent of its capacity, or 225 beds, Dr. Anderson said. Once renovated, most of Parkland's patient rooms would accommodate only one bed, instead of two, because of their small size.
    More time, data sought

    The committee, formally known as the Blue Ribbon Master Capital Plan Advisory Committee, began meeting in October. On Tuesday, members asked for more information and time to consider how large a medical facility the county would need in the future.

    Currently, Parkland has 748 adult beds in its main building.

    "Looking at demographic trends and the limitations of the existing space, we have to consider other options for Parkland," said Ann Margolin, a vice chairwoman of the panel and a former chairwoman of the Parkland board.

    The advisory group was shown population trends that suggest Dallas County would need from 946 to 1,338 hospital beds by 2020. The numbers were based on the estimated growth of the indigent population, the number of out-of-county users at Parkland and a greater shift of uninsured patients to the hospital.

    Bill Vanaskie, the hospital's chief operating officer, said Parkland could reduce the need for a larger facility by improving operations and decreasing the amount of time that patients are hospitalized.

    Most of the discussion Tuesday was centered on the county providing one or more inpatient facilities with a total of 800 to 1,000 beds.

    "That doesn't mean we're going to tear down the existing facility," Ms. Margolin stressed. "If possible, retrofitting the current facility could fulfill a portion of that need."

    The main hospital building opened in 1954.

    Hospital administrators attempted to show Tuesday that the cost of a new hospital probably would be covered by reduced personnel costs. New hospital buildings typically have afforded 15 percent savings in maintenance and housekeeping costs, it was noted.

    However, Parkland's purported $60 million annual savings – or $1.8 billion over 30 years – was based on anecdotal information from professionals who had designed other new hospitals. No formal documentation was available to verify such an optimistic financial outcome.

    "It will save money from current operations," Dr. Anderson insisted, "although energy costs may go up."
    UT Southwestern plans

    In a related discussion, the head of the UT Southwestern Medical Center informed the advisory panel of long-range plans to build a new 600-bed hospital near Parkland.

    Dr. Kern Wildenthal, UT Southwestern's president, said the medical center's new facility would not affect Parkland's development plans.

    However, he urged the advisory panel to consider how multiple sites for a new county hospital would complicate future staffing. UT Southwestern doctors supervise Parkland's resident physicians, who provide the majority of medical care at the county hospital.

    "I think it would be dangerous to residents to have to go to multiple sites and dangerous to patient care," Dr. Wildenthal warned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Columbus Civil
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    07:10 AM CST on Wednesday, January 11, 2006

    By SHERRY JACOBSON / The Dallas Morning News

    ...
    Previous estimates have priced a new hospital at $1 billion or more.
    ...
    Currently, Parkland has 748 adult beds in its main building.
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    UT Southwestern doctors supervise Parkland's resident physicians, who provide the majority of medical care at the county hospital.
    It's very encouraging that Parkland has such a strong and long range committment to public health.

    It's more encouraging that Parkland and UT-Southwestern have an active relationship to cooperatively plan for the future, seems like a best case scenerio.

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    I hope that in planning for their new construction that they can plan a group of buildings or "campus" that is much easier to navigate and cohessive than the current one.

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    I am a physician and have visited county hospitals in Houston, Birmingham (AL), and Miami. This situation is not unique and that amount of money is miniscule compared to some of the others (especially Miami). Parkland's complaining about the same problem every private or public hospital faces - you have to care for emergency patients when they show up whether they have insurance or not. These patients may or may not pay their bills and that's the reality we deal with. The same people going to Parkland also go to Presby-Dallas, Baylor, Plano Regional, or any of other dozens of private hospitals get admitted to the hospital and leave and never pay. The difference is Parkland's revenue is tax-based whereas private hospitals collect bills from other patients that offset this loss of revenue. Collin Co patients cannot be seen in Parkland's clinics if it is not a genuine emergency requiring admission, it's not as if they are flooding the system in that manner. I really don't see why one should expect Collin Co to foot the bill considering this. Otherwise, why shouldn't Dallas County write a check to Presby or Baylor every time they admit an uninsured Dallas County resident to one of their hospitals because it's emergent?

    Parkland still sends these patients bills and the individual patients are obligated to pay them. I don't see their inability to do so or indifference as their county's responsibility. Again, the same thing happens every day when Dallas Co residents choose hospitals other than Parkland. The same is true in Tarrant with JPS.

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    There should still be petitions for taxation to Collin County. I don't see why its such a bad thing to pay a little bit more in taxes for a public hospital.

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    Because we have lost focus of what a public hospital is supposed to be. A public hospital used to pay for indigent care, but now it has become a haven for illegals and others who simply do not want to pay for their medical care. How many Collin County residents - in an emergency - drive all the way to Parkland? I would like to see numbers. As the doctor said, they go to local, private hospitals and skip town on the bill.

    The doctor hit the nail on the head ... unless Dallas is going to foot the bill for every illegal and indigent who uses an emergency room and does not pay, Collin, etc. does not need to pay for Parkland.

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    How many Collin County residents - in an emergency - drive all the way to Parkland? I would like to see numbers.
    At least 18% of those that don't pay, if I'm interpreting the article correctly (well..18% of the cost doesn't necessarily mean 18% of the people, but I think it is a reasonable assumption based on the lack of information given):

    The taxpayers of Dallas County provide more than one-third of Parkland's revenues through property taxes. Comparin thinks Anderson should have been more candid with voters over the years about how much of that money Parkland loses every year treating patients from other counties. According to the numbers she showed me, Parkland loses $33 million a year on patients who don't live in Dallas County.

    "Collin County residents are $6 million of that $33 million," she said, "and they're the richest county in North Texas. I don't care if they're indigent, that county has a responsibility for them where they live. Why should the Dallas County taxpayers pay for them?

    "And what's ironic about the thing is that the biggest absolute dollars we pay in that $33 million is for Tarrant County residents, and they have a public hospital."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaming Moderate
    Because we have lost focus of what a public hospital is supposed to be. A public hospital used to pay for indigent care, but now it has become a haven for illegals and others who simply do not want to pay for their medical care. How many Collin County residents - in an emergency - drive all the way to Parkland? I would like to see numbers. As the doctor said, they go to local, private hospitals and skip town on the bill.

    The doctor hit the nail on the head ... unless Dallas is going to foot the bill for every illegal and indigent who uses an emergency room and does not pay, Collin, etc. does not need to pay for Parkland.
    So, what are we supposed to do? Ask a guy who is bleeding to death "Are you a legal immigrant? Because if you are not, you will not be treated."

    I'd rather burden the system with a few illegal immigrants than let them die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flaming Moderate
    Because we have lost focus of what a public hospital is supposed to be. A public hospital used to pay for indigent care, but now it has become a haven for illegals and others who simply do not want to pay for their medical care. .
    Well, probably, most illegals are indigent by regular-American-standards.

    It's like, someone who will take the personal risk to 1) get into this country, 2) stay in this country to work, and 3) send a wage portion to family in Mexico --- well, that's source of the remarkable upward momentum which continues to characterizing American society generation after generation. It's time to worry about an imploding America when foreigners stop taking big risks to get here.

    Sprinkle some water on my feet, and watch them get all lathered up from standing on this soap box so long and often.

    Parkland should treat anyone from anywhere, and the county of residence should expect a bill from the hospital. Fair is fair.

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    "And what's ironic about the thing is that the biggest absolute dollars we pay in that $33 million is for Tarrant County residents, and they have a public hospital."


    Yeah, I'm not surprised by that. If they think it's going to be free, a lot of people just don't care.

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    I'm sure Collin County residents would go for it.
    A big reason a lot of people live outside of the county of Dallas is to take advantage of lower property taxes.

    It is only a couple hundred bucks per year on a $200k house.
    If a couple hundred bucks = $508 then you would be correct. Hell, I live in Dallas and I don't want to pay for it.

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    "And what's ironic about the thing is that the biggest absolute dollars we pay in that $33 million is for Tarrant County residents, and they have a public hospital."
    Isnt Parkland regularly recognized as one of the best public hospitals in the country?

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    ^ Yes.
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    Age puts Parkland in a bind
    Commissioners to get update on bid to replace outgrown hospital

    01:07 AM CST on Monday, February 12, 2007
    By SHERRY JACOBSON / The Dallas Morning News
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    When an elevator system needs ongoing maintenance in a busy office building, bids usually are taken and repairs ordered.

    But at Parkland Memorial Hospital, the ailing elevators were too antiquated to attract bids last fall from companies that specialize in such maintenance. Both firms declined because parts no longer were manufactured for elevators as old as Parkland's.

    "Well, I guess we start taking the stairs," quipped Dr. Lauren McDonald to her colleagues on the hospital's board of managers.

    It was a light-hearted moment, but no one was laughing too hard about the growing antiquity of Dallas County's lone public hospital.

    The 53-year-old hospital building is worn with age and stretched to the seams by patient overload and technologies never envisioned when it opened in the 1950s. Tuesday, county commissioners will get an update on the first public drive for a new hospital...

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    It infuriates me that in this country, in this state, in this county, we have this problem. We can spend billions of dollars on tollways, put men on the moon, pay for 2 billion dollar stealth bombers…

    but here we find Dallas County and Collin county squabbling over who has to take of the poor and uninsured.

    For my part I don’t want to argue over the solutions, but at least agree with me it’s stupid that this country even has such problems.

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