Dear God...well, atleast it will be "benevolent" as Tim Rogers put it.Originally Posted by drumguy8800
Actually, texman, it's 30 stories from bridge deck to apex. It's 40 from river bottoms to the top.
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Dear God...well, atleast it will be "benevolent" as Tim Rogers put it.
"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
For comparison, the Golden Gate towers are 746 feet above SF Bay, and 500 feet above the road deck.
Remember everyone, if all goes well, we'll have 5 of these behemoths.
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Well, good for Big D.... since we don't have any 'real' water we're gonna build us sum water and build us sum bridges over the damn thing. =)
I wonder what they are going to build first? The water or the bridge...
I believe in order for the water to work, the bridge piers have to be out of the way, so I'm asumming the bridges.
"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
Uuuhh........a [expletive] turtle??????????
I like f*#$*#ng turtles!
I somehow doubt that the turtles enjoy it.
They might not be able to tell the difference.
Did yall see this about SBC supporting the bridges?
http://www.dallascityhall.com/dallas...SBCSupport.pdf
"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
It is nice to see that the private sector is getting involved. I hope to see more of this support.
I guess that means they'll be asking for naming rights!
A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool because he has to say something. - Plato
yes, horizontal landmark, all three speak together, dude, sweet
SBC Memorial Bridge
"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
"SBC Memorial Bridge One opens at the Dr. Pepper/Seven Up Drink Up/Live Up Ceremony for the new EDS Trinity River Park today.."
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Drummy, I like the sound of EDS TRPark..alot better than KFC Lake suggested by another forumer.
"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
I took a canoe trip one time down White Rock Creek... south of the lake and all the way to the Trinity.
Turtles Rule!
SAVE THE TURTLES!!!! STOP THE TRINITY RIVER FIASCO!!!!
How in the world did you ever get past all the meanders south of Scyene? And doesn't it get pretty tiny right before its' confluence with the Trinity? Even Charles Allen, who does the Trinity River Expeditions doesn't reccomend canoing WRC, maybe kyaking, but he said it's really difficult and dangerous to canoe WRC.
This Saturday, Nov 20:
Trinity River Corridor Comprehensive Land Use Plan Community Workshop
City Hall, Auditorium (L1FN)
9am - 12pm
http://www.trinityrivercorridor.org/...erMeetings.pdf
Is anyone else goig? I am, so maybe I'll see some of you there?
I talked my mom into going so I'll be there. 9am on Saturday..gah.
"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
I am going to try to make it. 9am is early for me on the weekends.
I wish I could, but I'd have to leave around 10.00, 10.30, because there's a devmeet up at Legacy Town Center at noon, which is the reason I'm here this weekend and didn't just stay in Huntsville until Wednesday. Take notes and tell me about it!
I went to this meeting and I was very impressed. Very helpful with all the facts which half the stuff I didnt know. The meeting though mostly focused on development which they are predicting is going to be huge. They had diagrams of CBD spilling over to Oak Cliff and the stemmons corridor had huge mixed use development. Also, I talked to a lady from the EPA, Bonnie Braganza, P.E. said this should of been done 50 years ago. There was a lot of flack from some people about the Continental Av. Bridge. One lady was shouting 'Our community wants this bride to stay open!' She obviously didn't know about the Woodall Rodgers bridge going in which I might add will start construction in 2005. BTW Is anyone on here named Jack? I talked to guy a outside city hall after the meeting and he seemed like he knew his stuff. Went to UTA, landscape architect?
"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
Jack Flack?
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Maybe he'll remeber me, I'll send him a private message.
"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
Sorry for posting that, texman- I just found out, his name is Jared.
His post from "Who Are We?!" thread
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Darn, well I wish I got his full name, this guy Jack would fit in perfectly on this forum. Should of told him about it. I think I'll post in the pegasus place thread asking if hes on here. I could of sworn he was, I mean, he joked about Arlington and what there doing with the cowboys and it was an exact reflection of our comments.
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"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
ok sorry well back on topic.
"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
Visions for Trinity discussed at forum
Planners seek Central Park feel; residents fear damage to communities
08:41 PM CST on Saturday, November 20, 2004
By EMILY RAMSHAW / The Dallas Morning News
Dallas officials foresee a Trinity River framed by waterfront development ? midrise office buildings and condominiums that will give the city's downtown core a Central Park feel.
[Click image for a larger version] [TOM FOX/DMN]
TOM FOX/DMN
Lue Henry Williams of Oak Cliff asks about how his late mother's property will be affected by the Trinity River project.
On Saturday, scores of neighbors, property owners and students shared in that vision, gathering to offer suggestions on a land-use plan four years in the making.
But not everyone shared the planners' excitement. Some residents voiced fears that their traditional communities would be overrun with redevelopment. And others warned of environmental dangers if the current proposal comes to fruition.
"I'm afraid the activity in that area is going to be an ecological barrier between upstream and downstream," said Doug Larson, a Grand Prairie resident.
The draft of the plan, unveiled in a town hall meeting at City Hall, would blaze a trail for denser development along the riverfront and preserve natural waterways in the Elm Fork and Trinity Forest regions. And it emphasizes relocating Dallas' heavy industry to the northern and southern tips of the 20-mile Trinity Corridor, making room for more urban living in the heart of the city.
"What we envision is essentially the image of Dallas when the Trinity is flooded, with the lights of buildings shining off the water," said Mark Bowers, a landscape architect and planner with HNTB, the firm designing the plan. "It will be an urban river through the central core."
Mr. Bowers stressed that the plan is still in draft form, and changes will be made after the public and City Council members have had a chance to give their input. Once a final version is complete, Mr. Bowers said, consultants will consider appropriate ways to implement the results. The changes would be phased in over the next several decades.
"The community has said, 'This is what we would like to have,' " Mr. Bowers said. "Our job is to find out what the obstacles are."
Under the plan, the central business district would cross the Trinity River, bringing office towers onto the west bank. Warehouse space along Irving Boulevard would be turned into an urban living strip, including retail and residential development.
Heavy industry would be relocated north into the Elm Fork area and south into the McCommas Bluff area. Much of the waterway north of downtown and in the Trinity Forest area would remain in its natural state. And in parts of West Dallas, Oak Cliff and southern Dallas, communities of single-family homes would be preserved.
"The goal is to maximize our investment in the Trinity River Project," said JoAnn Wilkerson, the project coordinator over economic development. "Places are going to change based on the impact of this project. And developers are already responding."
Early implementation ideas include zoning changes and tax increment finance districts, which provide incentives for redevelopment. Consultants said voters could opt to install a redevelopment authority, which could seize private property for public use through eminent domain. Of the 20 biggest cities in the nation, Dallas is one of two that does not already have such an authority, they said.
"Dallas will look like a Central Park, a Back Bay in Boston, or San Francisco's Golden Gate Park," Mr. Bowers said. "We're providing a footprint for that to happen."
The plan was in line with Julie Montague's expectations. Ms. Montague said it would be exciting to have residential development along the levees without fear of flooding. And she said it's time to send scrap-metal warehouses and junkyards out of downtown.
"I would hope that would happen," she said. "But it's going to cost a lot of money."
Other more skeptical residents said they would believe it when they see it.
"All this looks great on paper," Neely Kerr said. "But some of this is like Disneyland. It looks great, but there's nothing behind the facade."
Several property owners voiced concerns about land acquisition and whether minority neighborhoods would be protected. Debe Nichols, who represents a group of commercial retailers along Irving Boulevard, said she's concerned that the city is planning to steamroll over well-established businesses.
"They wouldn't be moving us ? they'd be acquiring our property," she said. "I don't think they have the power yet to do it."
No. It won't. It's going to be a river in the middle of a field bounded by levees and something like 30 lanes of traffic."Dallas will look like a Central Park, a Back Bay in Boston, or San Francisco's Golden Gate Park," Mr. Bowers said. "We're providing a footprint for that to happen."
The article about the new I-30 bridge from the Trinity River Corridor Website: Click - WARNING! PDF!!
Would anyone like to explain to me how this rendering is even possible?
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You said it.
Ok, if there no tollway, would ya'll like this plan? I don't think we should totally bash this project just because theirs one element we don't like. Everyone keeps complaining about this tollway (which I didn't like persoanlly at first either) but now that I've seen all the other plans, its just one small part of it. I mean, com'on, this is probably one of the bes things to happen to Dallas for a long time. The development will be enormous.
"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
I don't see what's so bad about this. There are going to be trees and stuff. I imagine more of a linear White Rock Lake, only surrounded by urbanity like Central Park and having the soaring bridges rising above the trees. My only regret is that I'll never see close to the full potential in my lifetime.
Nevermind.. it's not as bad as I thought it was.
http://www.trinityrivercorridor.org/...ap_area_2.html
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I wasn't bashing the whole thing. I just don't think that massive tollway is necessary. There's already all the roads on the north side, and Canada and such on the southern part. I don't understand why we have to build redundant roads. Unless there's a ton of develpment on both sides. Or if it can be nice, like the way Chicago did it.
Yeah, I was wondering why their doing this and project pegasus and the tollway.
"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
It has become obvious that the tollway is intended to promote the development of the area between Stemmons and the Trinity levees rather than to provide congestion relief for thru traffic. Considering the very large geographic area this will open up for a very large urbanized population, I have to think this is going to be a best case opportunity for the expansion of the downtown job center. This tollroad is going to allow the redevelopment of an area larger than what we now consider uptown.
The combination of a tollway to deliver a high volume of 'local' traffic and a nice big park delivering magnificent views with every possible recreational activity will indeed create an urban envorinment capable of reaching a very high population density without most of the claustrophobic consequences.
In light of this, the aesthetic contribution of these three bridges becomes exponentially more important. If the bottom falls out of Dallas (again) and people stop moving to the metroplex, there really may be no justification to spend extra millions to make the bridges look nice. But, since southern cities will stop growing only when the whole American population stops growing, there is every reason to make every aspect of the Trinity River Park and bridges as pleasing to the eye as possible.
I agree. the tollway sucks, but the plan overall is amazing. very epic and unique.
I think something that would spark development even MORE would be a normal thorouoghfare.. Just, really played up, like Champs D'Ellyse (however you spell.)
Who wants to live on the side of a controlled-access tollway? They would have to install service roads and all that jazz.. or maybe i'm just lost. Is it going to be controlled-access or is it just going to be a thoroughfare?
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lots of people live near the freeway in today's world. Even Preston Hollow stradles the DNT
From what I've read, theirs no service roads for this and is VERY limited access. The purpose of it is to relieve congestion of the mixmaster and toially bypass downtown...which is bad I guess, But thats why the park is gonna be there, to help downtown I'm assuming.
"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
The argument for the tollway is because once Pegusus gets started and they start redoing the mixmaster, there will need to be a reliever route. Only problem is that the tollway goes the wrong direction and doesn't connect with anything.
Haha, that lady was right in front of me! I was sitting in the back row with all the "rag tag environmentalists".
I was surprised that there were not more people there.
How many people went? Oh yeah, in the newspaper article photo on the DMN you can see half of my moms arm. I think the most fame this familys gonna to get.
"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
Your mom has some impressive tats.
Dallas uber alles
Should I even reply? But I just did.
"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
I like your new avatar CC. No doubt inspired by the most recent "Basketbrawl?"
A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool because he has to say something. - Plato
This one?
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