I thought both sides were on the Dallas side.
It's going to be on the Dallas side, near Continental. The bridge will be closed for the event.
I thought both sides were on the Dallas side.
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^Oh, funny funny. I should have specified the downtown side.
Or you just hate the southern sector and all people within. (sarcastic satirical comment meant for a laugh)
The ceremony will be at 4:30 on the 9th. The bridge will be closed with the event taking place on the Continental bridge. Spotlights will be positioned to illuminate at 5:30 and are supposed to highlight the apex of the bridge and expect a barrage of speakers to be in attendance. Parking is at the old beverage warehouse just north of the tracks on Industrial. You will have to walk from there but it is not far. See you there.
I'm getting some guys together to spell out S I G N A T U R E B R I D G E on our chests. So far I have an S, a G and two E's. Anyone interested?
Dallas uber alles
Perhaps an "I" would be slimming...who gets the "A" and is it scarlet?
hehe..I don't know. A scarlet "A" would provide some nice contrast.
Dallas uber alles
I will be there and am game for sporting a letter. I am very pasty though, dont know if anyone wants to see me with out my shirt on.
http://www.thetrinitytrust.org/bridge.htm
Margaret Hunt Hill Bridge
December 9, 2005
Please join the Trinity Trust and architect Santiago Calatrava
for a discussion of his design for the Margaret Hunt Hill Bridge,
Friday, December 9, 2:00 p.m. at the Meyerson Symphony Center
Free, open seating.
Groundbreaking ceremonies begin at 4:30 p.m. on the
Continental Avenue Viaduct overlooking
the site of the Margaret Hunt Hill Bridge.
Parking entrance at 505 North Industrial Boulevard.
www.thetrinitytrust.org
2719 Routh St, Dallas Texas 75201
(214) 740-1616
trinitytrust@sbcglobal.net
Has anyone seen this photo? I really wish they would move the jail, its going to hinder growth in the area.
"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
That's a cool pic, texman..where did you get it? It really puts the new bridges in perspective.
Dallas uber alles
Off that Trinity Trust website given in the post before mine. And what about all the Bailbonds in the area....Originally Posted by Columbus Civil
"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
I've had the same thought many times. What an awful spot for the jail to be located. If you stand on the other side of the river and look towards downtown, you'd be surprised how the complex destroys the view of the skyline. Those are ugly, ugly buildings and they sprawl over a fairly wide area. As people start going down to the Trinity and see it from the other side of the river, they too will realize it.
Has anyone seen this photo? I really wish they would move the jail, its going to hinder growth in the area.
Where would you move it? It it kind of like the homeless problem, where do you put the facility where it won't be seen or hinder development.
Just deal w/ the jail--it's ugly and in the wrong spot. But, after the bridges are built no one will notice the jail because they will be looking at all the beautiful bridges and crashing their cars!
The jails will also fit in more, once more is built around them.
Quite so... I'd anticipate that a number of new structures will sprout on both sides of the jail and courthouse. They won't be sitting there in such splendid isolation for very long.
And just curious regarding the rendering but have we actually seen any plans for the I-35 spans as of yet? Perhaps I missed the design or is the illustration just something 'generic' that has been dropped in to flesh out the graphic?
Also those building are not really that bad looking. I was wondering how they plan on replacing the bridges with out killing traffic. I am assuming the new ones are going in the same location as the current ones.
Do you think after the Trinity project was done,we will have a riverwalk-style center along the old meander of the Trinity river?
I read somewhere that it is possible
Well, I'd move it to the site where the Bush Library would have been built, next to SMU. It'll be interesting to see the Bail Bond places sprouting up at Mockingbird Station...
I don't know if that rendering is an accurate reflection of the layout of the lake, but the jail looks like it is sitting on the single best property along the corridor.
i always thought that was a stupid place for the jail to be.
i expect the cowboys to win two superbowls this year.
the dude abides.
That is a very good question and I can't wait to see how they do it since the decking of the new I-30 Calatrava bridge is set to go in the exact location of the existing I-30 bridge.
No, the meandering part of the Trinity is inside the levees, therefore, it is in the floodplane.
I don't know of any plans to siphon off water from the Trinity and divert it outside the levee for some kind of development. They are doing that in Ft. Worth, aren't they?
To open an old can of worms, the rendering just reconfirms for me that building the Trinity Toll Road is about the most stupid thing we have done to the Trinity, separating it from downtown. Yes, I know, there will be pedestrian decks at key points.... but still.....
The meanders are outside the levees. And years there are plans for something like that.
Really? I stand corrected. Where will they be?
Here's some satellite imagery of the place in question:
<img src='http://xvisionx.no-ip.info/docs/googleearth/placemark.gif' border=0> - Google Earth Placemark
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Google Satellite Maps
The way the Crows developed the area was very nice, though tacky. They put all the buildings up against the street and stretched them all the way to the ditch's ("river's") ROW.. it was done to maximize square footage.. but it's great for urban redevelopment. Just need to stack some stories on top of all the buildings. Redevelopment, though not publicized very well, is actually underway on a lot of the buildings there.. though certainly not of the same caliber as projects in Uptown or Downtown.
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You are confusing the proposed meanders to be created within the levees with the natural original meanders outside the levees. Antoinekhuu was asking about envisioned (and likely) riverwalk style development along the original meanders witnessed in the satellite photos drumguy just posted.
They will close one of the bridges and move traffic to the remaining one by splitting it into north/south. Or atleast that how I think it'll happen.
"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
^I assume there is only room for four lanes on one of those bridges. So I-30 into downtown will be backed up more frequently for a long time once construction commences.
What ever they do, I am sure traffic will suck. Just glad I will not be one of the people stuck in traffic. I dont think they would be able to push traffice onto one side, the new bridges support would be in the way.
While the freeway-decking trend in downtown seems to have caught on alittle, why dont they just deck portions of the Trinity Parkway? My first preference would be to put it underground(or dont build it at all) but a few park decks would be more inviting to pedestrians. Arent the plans to have it trenched anyways?
^If you look at the pic there is a small portion of it decked between the Woodall and I-30 bridges but only a small portion. I wish they would deck over more of it.
Thanks I missed that somehow. Haha its not much of a deck is it? Maybe in the far future they can deck the whole trench from Commerce to I-30...maybe in the year 2305?
I'm hoping some visionary leaders demolish the damn freeway in the future.
You know, another thing that stikes me... and this gets into the personal preferences of each "signature" bridge...
When you look at that picture, the Woodall Rogers bridge strikes me as being more "monumental" in terms of it's scale (it is 40 stories high, I believe?), than the ones over I-30 and I-35...
Granted, we haven't seen a final design for the I-35 bridge. But, since the major gateways into Dallas are I-30 and I-35, why wouldn't we have shifted funding towards those bridges to make them the grandest of all? Woodall Rogers is nothing more than a connector route inside the city. Seems like we could have done a scaled down bridge at Woodall Rogers and moved another $20mil or so over to the others...
I guess the benefit might end up touching off development on the other side of the river?
^I agree. I thought the Woodall design should have been for I-30. I-35 will need twin spans though.
It seems that everything has to be decked. What is to come? A day when all our highways are decked?
I sure hope so.
I've still never figured out exactly *what* purpose the extension of the Woodall Rodgers bridge will serve. Did Woodall Rodgers ending into Industrial spur development?
noooooo...
and.. Singleton isn't exactly a great artery for it to end into. At least, I think it ends into Singleton. Nonetheless, it heads straight for the West Dallas Housing Project thing at Hampton & Singleton.
Yay.
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Ok, I live in Steven's Park and look forward to having a quicker and easier way to get to downtown and uptown, but.... I have always wondered the same thing --- Singleton???
It's a two lane street with a turn lane. The surroundings look more like the 3rd world than the U.S. I do hope they intend to upgrade the street.
It will take a lot of slash and burn development to change that area! (Someone will get rich I'm sure, but in the meantime tourists will find a lot of razor wire and tire shops after crossing an incredible bridge!)
^Was there not a groundbreaking for Singleton yesterday? And isn't the redevelopment of near West Dallas the aim? If the CBD official boundries have been extended across the river into West Dallas then this bridge makes perfect sense. Some big names own lots of property on that side of the river and are just waiting for the opportunity to move and and remake things.
I hope your right.
"And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed."-"Farewell to Penn Station," New York Times Editorial, October 30, 1963
I know the West Dallas chamber has been working towards a redevelopment goal for a long time now and I believe...although am not certain...that the goal is to have some of that in place when the bridge is officially open in 2008. I think we can potentially see a lot of things start to pop on both sides of the river once this bridge is underway.
A "groundbreaking" for Singleton?
Like they're rebuilding it?
Score.
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Well, I answered my own question, sort of. No, I didn't. I just found some interesting plans for the area on the TRP site: http://www.trinityrivercorridor.com/...dyLaBajada.pdf
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It was a great weather day in Dallas today, sunny, 10% humidity, 90 degrees on December 3!
I went over the Continental Viaduct to Singleton to look around. Coming over the new Woodall Rogers bridge, this will be the first eyesore to get rid of, see the attached pic.
Is there a plan to get rid of or minimize all these power lines? Move the substation? I guess this is a journey, and it will take time to make it right.
How about a Bonnie & Clyde museum on the other side of the bridge? West Dallas was their home base, and the old Barrow Family gas station still stands on Singleton Blvd...
On the other hand, it's probably not the image the West Dallas Chamber wants to cultivate...
^I don't know what those are. IF they are the western side of the power lines that used to run over to Victory and into downtown then I would guess they are going away since they have pulled the lines down. Could you tell what they were connected to?
A lot of the issues that you bring up, BigD, are addressed in this post. Like West Dallas redevelopment and power lines.
Didnt the mayor say something about if txu will not put the lines underground the city will do it.
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