Reply With QuoteNo.Originally Posted by tamtagon
So, it looks like Chicago will not host the 2016 Olympic games. Now is the time for North Texas movers and shakers and boosters to begin preparing a proposal for the Dallas & Fort Worth 2020 Olympic Games.
No.
Tighten the female dog!
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YES
I understand why people want to hold the Olympics, but really all who benefits from it are IOC members who are bribed...err...lobbied, construction companies, and local elected officials.
When people have heartburn about subsidizing the AAC which holds year around events, or thank Arlington for footing the Jerryworld bill, who wants to subsidize several sports facilities that will be used for two weeks?
The Olympics is made for the developing world....Insert Dallas joke here.
Tighten the female dog!
FWIW, the Washington Post just reported that Rio de Janeiro won it. I thought they were a shoo-in from the start, with their argument that they deserved it because the games had never been to South America. I figure it's a combination of guilt, and shameless bribing from a region where the practice is de rigeur.
As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals... Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience's sake. - B. Obama 1/20/09
Please Dallas don't mire us in a generation of debt just so we can pound our chest on TV for 3 or 4 weeks...
In related news... I read in this morning's FT that Montreal just this week paid off their debt from the 1976 Olympics and that London is 8 billion dollars over their rainy day budget extension placed on top of the orginial budget figure... oh and that the final tally for China's Olympics was 40 billion USD.
And it looks like Chicagoans for Rio 2016 have posted their farewells on their website but I would be willing to bet that fiscally conservative Dallasites would have an even harsher reaction. http://www.chicagoansforrio.com/
Texas Rangers relief pitcher and compulsive Twitterer CJ Wilson says:
@str8edgeracer: "not really surprised chicago didn't get the olympic bid, but I know a lot of it is because of our current political and economic situasche"Wait, what?
As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals... Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience's sake. - B. Obama 1/20/09
IMO, Dallas should focus on finishing the Trinity Project, for a Texas Bicentennial World's Fair in 2036.
Yes focusing on a Texas Bicentennial Event 2036 would carry more excitement and chest bumping plus possibly pump some more money into Fair Park by that time right...
President Palin will make it happen for Dallas.
You mean President Palin will make it happen for Alaska, and then only 5 weeks later decide she has better opportunities because she's been offered a late night tv spot and decide to resign. -__-;
Socialism - bringing a greater good to a greater many, one golden parachute at a time.
The true success of the Staubach and Lively orchestrated team cannot be measured until after the 2011 Superbowl. The legacy of this team could be favorably cemented in North Texas is selected to host the 2015 or 2016 Superbowl.
So, of course, as I see it, teaching the region's players how to cooperate for the Superbowl is excellent practice to win as host to the Olympic Games.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...1.3cf5ebd.html
Super Bowl organizer making sure all of North Texas gets in on the act
02:23 PM CDT on Wednesday, September 30, 2009
Cheryl Hall
Roger Staubach knows the importance of handing off to proven talent and getting ahead early in the game.
That's why Staubach, as chairman of the North Texas Super Bowl XLV Host Committee, quickly recruited Bill Lively as his day-to-day playmaker. He's known for bringing together vision and money.
Lively helped resuscitate Southern Methodist University football after the team's death penalty and orchestrated raising $338 million for the Center for the Performing Arts Foundation. Now he's opening up the sponsorship heavens – even in this economic drought – in a way the National Football League has never seen before.
"The challenge has been to foster relationships and make this all work without having civil wars," says Bill Lively.
...
But Lively didn't sign on simply to raise money for one glorious game.
He wants to leave a legacy: a permanent, regional organization with major league clout to go after entertainment, cultural and sporting events that generate big economic bucks for everyone.
Playing peacemaker
This is a monumental undertaking, given the decades of bickering and backbiting among North Texas' largest cities. Secularism and the lack of a strong bid committee were key reasons why efforts to bring the 2012 Olympics here didn't get very far.
At times, Lively acts more like a peacekeeper than a rainmaker.
"The challenge has been to foster relationships and make this all work without having civil wars," Lively says.
He expected this going in. "The first thing that came to my mind when Roger invited me to be president and CEO of the host committee was: The franchise is the Dallas Cowboys. The game is being played in Arlington. The name of the host committee is North Texas. But North Texas has no record of working together except to build an airport 35 years ago, and that was a court-ordered shotgun wedding," Lively said over lunch recently.
...
So far, so good, says Lively. "But I tell you, every night when I try to fall asleep, I think about the challenges: fundraising, event planning, building an emerging business. Then I come right back down to regionalism. It'll make or break us...."
Ms. Liukin has more clout with the IOC than Mr Staubach or the rest of our exalted movers and shakers. IOC politics are played at a completely different level. We obviously don't have anyone who has a clue about how these decisions occur. Even I could figure out that Madrid would finish well, in spite of the ban on consecutive continent sites, because its main backer appointed most of the current board.
Chicago had the strongest possible bid the USA could make. It will be be our ball carrier until it succeeds. Then North America will be out of the running for another 16 years. Maybe 2036 is more likely, but it has nothing to do with Texas history. We need to give up on this windmill.
Yes. At a lower one.
Tighten the female dog!
You're kidding, right? We just convicted one councilman almost mayor, another councilman died before he could be convicted for a second time, ripped a dirty bandage off the scab that is the basic money for favors process that runs our city government, and we think we're better than the IOC? Please!!
Right, and I imagine our exalted movers and shakers would know that, too. Willing hometown Olympic heroes would logically have a prominent function to introduce the IOC to the finely organized regional array of venues.
She has little clout. They have none.
Apparently, you think the IOC is better than us.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/297030.stm
Tighten the female dog!
I would not be so quick to dismiss what North Texas "movers and shakers" can or cannot do. I am sure there were a lot of folks who doubted Atlanta's bid for 1996 Olympics in the late 1980s, but they pulled it off.
As far as Chicago carrying the ball from here on out...maybe. Chicago had an assist from the POTUS, and still could not deliver.
With that said, North Texas should not try to host the Olympics.
Tighten the female dog!
It would cost a lot for (minimally) Dallas, Tarrant, Collin and Denton to stage an Olympic Games, but the exposure would not only be exceptionally timely just as North Texas really becomes a player in the world economy, but the exposure would be invaluable for the word of mouth proof that the community is more than the popular stereotypes.
Construction costs would not be outrageous, either. Most of the required venues already exist in exceptional form and the structures which would need to be built for competition would easily find a sustainable use within the community, e.g. The Olympic aquatic center becomes home for one of the aspiring tier 1 university's (or maybe TCU or SMU) swimming and diving programs....
Where would we get the money? Dallas city can't afford to keep a skating rink open , never mind build Olympic Villages. Dallas County is fighting over how many prosecutors it can afford and how many prisoners it can afford to feed. I don't know what Tarrant County's issues are, but it can't be in much better shape. We are not going to incur a huge debt and raise taxes just to hold the Olympics. The state is not going to provide any money.
It's a distraction we can't afford.
Not that I am against your position but you seem to think Dallas is unique with its budget shortfalls dirty politicians and other distractions that plague every single Olympic game host city in the world. I'm not saying the Olympics are a home run no one can question just that you cant ignore that to assemble a Olympic Games amongst all that stuff including not being able to pay for it is kinda the point. Beyond that whole "We are the World United as one" stuff they cart around. With that said the City of Dallas is already building and/or planning Olympic venues for the obvious reason to convince the IOC eventually. Some of those projects are already being funded so its not really that far off for Dallas along with other many host cities.
This D Magazine mention of Fair Park stems from the recent convention planners convention in Dallas:
http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/
A few weeks ago I spoke with Michael Morris, the transportation guru for the North Central Texas Council of Governments, about Dallas’ effort to make a bid for the 2012 Olympics, for which he developed a transportation plan. When I asked what lessons had been learned from that failure, his response centered on Fair Park.
The Olympic people were very clear on this: “You’re so close to your amenities, you underestimate their value. Fair Park–there’s nothing else in America like Fair Park. You should have talked about it more in your Olympic bid … the historic nature of it, the size of Fair Park.”
posted by Jason Heid | January 20th, 2010 10:40am
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3c0d6e7.html
Group with 2020 Olympics vision starts Dallas-Fort Worth host campaign
07:49 AM CDT on Friday, May 14, 2010
By JOE SIMNACHER / The Dallas Morning News
http://www.dallas2020.org/about.php
As one of the great sports towns in the United States, Dallas has been blessed with world-class sporting facilities. The newly completed Cowboys Stadium in Arlington is the equal of any modern Olympic stadium. Several other key venues that have been built since our city’s last Olympic effort include the American Airlines Center, Gerald J. Ford Stadium, and both the Dr Pepper StarCenter and Pizza Hut Park in Frisco. Our existing resources as a potential host city are second to none. As a result, Dallas could easily host The Olympic and Paralympic Games without requiring a major building program solely dedicated to creating new sports venues. This is undoubtedly one of the strengths of the new Dallas bid.
Building on those strengths, The Olympic Games will prove a boon to the region’s infrastructure. Imagine, for example, an Olympic Village located next to Fair Park. This will provide much-needed mixed-use inner city housing and create new momentum in the community. Likewise, DART would greatly benefit from The Games. The logistics needed for moving large numbers of foreign visitors around North Texas certainly will give that agency the opportunity to accelerate its present expansion plans, likely by freeing up Federal dollars to assist the effort.
Hosting The Olympic and Paralympic Games will dramatically improve our community and be an impetus to complete landmark infrastructure projects. Fair Park will be the ideal location for a large number of Olympic events. As the home of the Cotton Bowl and less than two miles from downtown, Fair Park has hosted countless amateur and professional athletic events, including many college bowl and professional football games, and the 1994 FIFA World Cup. Fair Park is also the home of the State Fair of Texas, attracting over three million attendees to this annual three-week event. The Olympics will create a lasting legacy for future generations.
The Dallas 2020 Committee is a grassroots organization formed by area Olympians, business leaders and other members of our community who share a common goal of engaging all of North Texas with the ideals of Olympism and are preparing to initiate an Olympic bid on behalf of the City of Dallas and all of North Texas.
We exist to facilitate unity, transformation, and impact through the Olympic ideals:
-Pursuit of Excellence: Body, Mind, Spirit
-Joy in Effort: Faster, Higher, Stronger
-Fair Play: Respect, Sportsmanship, Cooperation
-Service: Sport for All, Solidarity, Development
-Peace: Unity, Friendship, Non-violence
IOC wants the region's governments to ante up 750 million as a guarantee on top of whatever private fund raiders provide. Not happening here and don't look for anything from the Feds either.
Unless something has changed, the USOC has announced that it will not be bidding on the 2020 summer games. In any event, national olympic committees have only until Sept. 1, 2011 to submit their national candidate. Good luck getting a US bid organized, approved, funded and committed by then...
The article made allusions to the idea that that US stance is a negotiating tactic with IOC on some financial conflicts. USOC may actually having a group planning for bids. It still does not mean Dallas has any business getting involved in this foolishness.
Hosting the Olympics would be one of the best things to happen to North Texas.
Just don't hold it in June, July or August
October would be the best.
http://espn.go.com/dallas/olympics/s...ible-2020-bidsThe U.S. hasn't hosted a Summer Olympics since the 1996 Atlanta Games. Among U.S. cities mentioned as potential bidders for 2020 include New York, Los Angeles, Dallas, Minneapolis and Tulsa, Okla.
From that article it looks like there's no choice but to hold it in July or August, unfortunately (May or September would probably be better):
"Last weekend also marked the deadline for national committees to propose any change from the traditional Summer Olympics dates between July 15 and Aug. 31."
What I am concerned about is the current Dallas Bid Committee is not submitting a proposal I think can we can win with. Its debatable how much the Olympics really positively do for the Host city but lets put aside that argument since we are going to submit a bid anyways.
I just don't think its reasonable to put the event in at least 3 distant cities. Frisco, Dallas and Arlington that is quite an expansive distance to move people around as part of one unified group of events. This is not just me wanting Dallas to have everything. I mean DART has limited plans to reach Frisco as well as Arlington and moving that many people to both those cities for a unified event would be madness of train changes among other things. The proposal as it appears is more of a ploy to get funding for massive rail and freeway infrastructure improvements so once the Olympics has come and gone we will have significant projects out of the way with the Olympics being the excuse for more than usual federal and state money.As one of the great sports towns in the United States, Dallas has been blessed with world-class sporting facilities. The newly completed Cowboys Stadium in Arlington is the equal of any modern Olympic stadium. Several other key venues that have been built since our city’s last Olympic effort include the American Airlines Center, Gerald J. Ford Stadium, and both the Dr Pepper StarCenter and Pizza Hut Park in Frisco. Our existing resources as a potential host city are second to none. As a result, Dallas could easily host The Olympic and Paralympic Games without requiring a major building program solely dedicated to creating new sports venues. This is undoubtedly one of the strengths of the new Dallas bid
Its sounds like to me they would probably push to get funding for things like:
Pegasus Project
I-30 East Redo
SM Wright Avenue/CF Hawn Freeway connector
DART Connection to Arlington
DART Connection to Frisco
This is still never going to happen.
No one will pay for a building program, least of all the state or Federal Government. If the committee is trying to leverage existing infrastructure, it's because that is economic reality. Why do you think Chicago dropped? The IOC wants brand new facilities and the consequences are those Chinese stadia sitting empty. Staging the Olympics, at least the summer version, is for dictatorships or countries thinking they have something to prove. Brazil had already built its facilities just on chance of winning. If the US wants to compete, we should focus on a site that has already done it and has much better weather than we have. Building multiple sites in same country for each Olympiad is ridiculous.
That's the problem is they are trying to present an option that uses current infrastructure out of economies sake but Dallas infrastructure is DFW its all spread a part. Maybe in another city where they have some of the big ticket items close together but we don't have that in Dallas and wont for a long time if we ever do. Arlington wouldn't be able to do alone nor would Frisco and Dallas can not either at this time. This is an example where DFW working together is not going to win out. Sometimes one person has to be in charge and hold all the cards to make things like the Olympics work and nobody in DFW has enough cards to handle the Olympics without tons of money to build new everything.
That is why we should not waste our time on it. It is not that important to making our neighborhoods better.
London is using quite a few older stadiums for venues and the venues are spread around the area.
http://www.london-olympics-information.org.uk/venues/
I see that but best I can tell they are still within close proximity with a very effective and modern subway transit system already in place. The distance between the Dallas venues is significant 26 miles from Fair Park to Frisco Pizza Hut Park. Fair Park to Cowboys Stadium is 20 miles. DART is not planning on having direct connections to those areas. If anything Frisco would get something like the DCTA trains as a connector to the DART system already in place. Arlington well that's debatable cause putting a line through West Dallas is on the plans if the cities out west are willing to jump on board and a Olympic proposal could do that I would hope.
They state that the Olympic Village would be built near Fair Park to bring urban development to the area badly needing redevelopment. Another thing I am curious about is if Fair Park would be the central location for events how would they handle the Historical elements of the park. They cant just sweep in and build some new modern venues in Fair Park they would have to build more southwestern Art Deco inspired venues. The Colesium could see a major reworking as well as the smaller show arena in the Agrarian area sure but they cant just rip them out for some glossy white Santiago Calatrava product. Sure architects today are able to design things within a historical context but the Olympic committee is usually a fan of mostly modern in look and feel of the overall event. We will just have to wait till plans are made public but I don't have a lot of confidence in this proposal.
I'd like to add after reviewing the map on http://www.london2012.com/map.php I see there is some significant venues in distant cities so maybe I am wrong. I will just have to wait to see how wrong I might be. If Dallas gets the event I can not wait to what positive effects it might have on Fair Park and hopefully work towards restoring the buildings not yet preserved.
Last edited by cowboyeagle05; 03 August 2011 at 11:33 AM.
^ A lot of the venues in modern Olympics are temporary structures which are relocated after the event, so an event could work in Fair Park without disturbing the historical areas (the only permanent facility needed would be a natatorium). An Olympic Village in the Exposition Park/Fair Park area would have good connections. For it to be successful everything would need to be concentrated in/around Fair Park and Downtown. Suburban stadiums could be used for practice facilities or preliminary events, but spreading main events around the region would be a disaster.
The heat's still going to be an issue, so there would have to be some sort of outdoor air conditioning system as was proposed by Doha, Qatar. And getting everything completed by 2020 (just 7 years after IOC selection) would be a challenge.
Long-term benefits I could see of an event hosted here: completion of the Fair Park Comprehensive Master Plan (with reconstructed buildings built for multi-use), densified Fair Park neighborhood, expanded streetcar lines and Project Pegasus/East Corridor construction.
Here's the Fair Park Master Plan, which shows plenty of room for temporary structures, practice fields, etc (a natatorium could even go where the Museum of The American Railroad was proposed, just outside the historic core).
Fair Park is as good of location as any. We've got plenty of stadiums around to hold the games, and we have relatively cheap land and labor costs to build new structures for the games.
The federal government would cough up money for improvements if we got the nod from the IOC. But the likelihood of that IOC nod is very low.
DAGNABBIT!
I'm guessing each inhabited continent will be in the cycle like the BCS. North America to Australia to Athens (special case) to Asia to Europe to South America to ? (N America or Africa). I'd say IOC will have a lot of pressure to get Africa into the cycle for 2020. I'm guessing South Africa is only nation that could do it, but they did the World Cup. Another reason not to spin our wheels.
Africa does make sense. But I think holding the games in Mogadishu would provide a little more than normal incentive for runners to break world records for speed and distance.
DAGNABBIT!
It's still up in the air if South Africa will even put forward a bid.
From the AP:
I still think a city in North America could host this one (24 years since Atlanta). The heavy hitters seem to be waiting until 2024.South Africa announced in May that it would not bid for the 2020 Olympics, saying it had more pressing national priorities. Since then, however, Sports Minister Fikile Mbalula has sought to revive a bid. He is scheduled to petition the cabinet in the next week and a decision is expected around Aug. 10.
"As it stands, we don't have a bid, unless Mr. Mbalula manages to change the cabinet decision," Tubby Reddy, chief executive of the South African Olympic committee, told the AP on Monday. "We'll have to wait and see."
Durban is considered the most likely South African bid city, although Johannesburg and Port Elizabeth have not been ruled out.
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/su...#ixzz1U0XjkeW5
That would mean the South Africans have a better understanding of fundamental priorities than we do. Maybe the true costs vs. benefits of staging these once in a generation athletic spectacles started to be evident, based on its recent World Cup experience. Hopefully our leaders will have an equivalent come to Jesus moment about the incredible waste these things are.
Pick a place, build the stadiums, and keep the Games there until the end of time. Do the trials, preps, everything there. 99.9999% of people only see it on TV. It does not matter where it is. These IOC site competititions are both a waste and corrupting to the institution.
No 2020 Olympic bid for United States
http://espn.go.com/olympics/story/_/...-2020-olympics
Maybe we should target 2036 instead...
I will pridefully resist outside distractions. All are welcome and invited, but the focus will be Texas.
I'm glad the US will be out of the ridiculous IOC cauldron. Sanctions would be in order if the grafters are not removed from decision making positions; it's almost a human rights situation.
I'll be a little disappointed, though, simply because I think "2020" has some of the best graphic design possibilities. Ha!!
Last edited by tamtagon; 22 August 2011 at 01:38 PM.
Called it.
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