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    ^ got me too. I was about to get excited about a new business coming to Deep Ellum

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    I think that just the coat of paint they applied and the coat of brown paint on the framing around the windows makes the building look a lot better for now anyways. Hey maybe someone will see more potential after the cameras shut down at this location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboyeagle05
    I think that just the coat of paint they applied and the coat of brown paint on the framing around the windows makes the building look a lot better for now anyways. Hey maybe someone will see more potential after the cameras shut down at this location.
    it'd be cool if someone actually opened a burt's coffee shop in that place

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    Slaughter House is opening at 2615 for Halloween. Ride the Green Line and get $2 off admission.

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    Dallas police officer paints a new image for profession in Deep Ellum
    08:12 AM CDT on Monday, September 20, 2010
    By NANCY VISSER / The Dallas Morning News
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    Dallas police Officer Cat Lafitte is only 31, but she longs for the 1950s, when the nostalgic public image of law enforcement was the friendly neighborhood patrol officer.

    It's different now, she said. People spit or glare when she and her partner pass in a patrol car.

    So when Lafitte spotted artists painting pillars under the freeway at Deep Ellum, she asked for her own pillar to paint the portrait of a police officer with the message "Dallas Police Department Welcomes You to Deep Ellum."

    "I know the law-abiding people don't hate us, but just dealing with the criminal element, we get a lot of hate," she said. "If I could plant one little seed in someone's head that the police are the good guys, I would consider myself to be successful in this deal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFWCRE8TIVE
    Dallas police officer paints a new image for profession in Deep Ellum
    08:12 AM CDT on Monday, September 20, 2010
    By NANCY VISSER / The Dallas Morning News
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    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...t.2835adc.html

    Dallas police Officer Cat Lafitte is only 31, but she longs for the 1950s, when the nostalgic public image of law enforcement was the friendly neighborhood patrol officer.

    It's different now, she said. People spit or glare when she and her partner pass in a patrol car.

    So when Lafitte spotted artists painting pillars under the freeway at Deep Ellum, she asked for her own pillar to paint the portrait of a police officer with the message "Dallas Police Department Welcomes You to Deep Ellum."

    "I know the law-abiding people don't hate us, but just dealing with the criminal element, we get a lot of hate," she said. "If I could plant one little seed in someone's head that the police are the good guys, I would consider myself to be successful in this deal."

    ...


    Is that a He or a She?

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    II Cane Rosso's pizza comin' to Deep Ellum!!! If you haven't had it, you're missing out.

    http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2010...za-deep-ellum/

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    Quote Originally Posted by vman
    II Cane Rosso's pizza comin' to Deep Ellum!!! If you haven't had it, you're missing out.

    http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2010...za-deep-ellum/
    It's good stuff for sure!

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    Deep Ellum's Better Block will make its debut at Halloween on Elm Street (October 30):

    http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfa...lkable_cyc.php


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    Zombies are poised to take over the neighborhood

    Watch out for zombies in Deep Ellum today. There will probably be many commuting on the Red Line.

    Zombie Walk Dallas 2010
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    Saturday, October 16 · 3:30pm - 4:30pm

    The Dead shall walk amongst the living in the largest ZombieWalk Dallas has ever seen. The walk begins as soon as you step off the Dart Rail (YES, YOU CAN GET TO DEEP ELLUM VIA THE DART RAIL) and walk the streets of Dallas (that's right walk, not run. Fast Zombies suck).

    During ZWD we encourage you to check out business down there as many of them have embraced what we are doing and are offering discounts and specials to those dressed as Zombies. (Breaking character once indoors is perfectly okay by the way)

    2826 ARNETIC has opened their doors to us and will feature LIVE MUSIC, a FULL BAR, and Zed knows what else!

    Come bleeding...drooling...moaning.. and most importantly, dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DFWCRE8TIVE
    Deep Ellum's Better Block will make its debut at Halloween on Elm Street (October 30):

    http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfa...lkable_cyc.php

    While I like the idea, I have a feeling this won't work. People will get to Deep Ellum on a saturday night and when they'll see this stuff they'll go "what the f*ck is this?"

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    I was in Deep Ellum last night. Elm Street was crowded. It looks like Deep Ellum is on its way back.
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    Deep Ellum Brewery gets zoning approval

    http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2010...y-wins-zoning/

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    One thing they won't be doing, thanks to Texas' peculiar alcohol laws, is functioning as a brewpub that can sell a pint of beer on site.

    "Under Texas law, you can't be involved in two levels of the alcohol trade -- you're either manufacture-and-distribution or you're retail. Being a production microbrewery, our job is to make beer. We wouldn't be allowed to sell to consumer. But we are definitely rallying for the opportunity to be able to sell what we make, down the road."

    This should be added to the list of stupid laws the state needs to eliminate.

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    Wait, what about Gordon Birsch? Are the huge tanks just for show? When I last ate their they claimed to brew their beer onsite...
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    And Two Rows? And Copper Tank? Humperdinks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsoto3
    Watch out for zombies in Deep Ellum today. There will probably be many commuting on the Red Line.

    Zombie Walk Dallas 2010
    http://www.facebook.com/event.php?ei...2419558&ref=ts

    Saturday, October 16 · 3:30pm - 4:30pm
    Video from You+Dallas:

    http://www.youplusdallas.com/stories...um-zombie-walk

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    Quote Originally Posted by msutton
    Wait, what about Gordon Birsch? Are the huge tanks just for show? When I last ate their they claimed to brew their beer onsite...
    The difference is between brewing for on-site sale and consumption only and brewing for wholesale/retail distribution.

    http://austinbrew.wordpress.com/2009...aft-breweries/
    Brewpub License: This license entitles the holder to brew their own beer at their brewpub and sell it on location. However, this license prohibits the holder from distributing their beer anywhere outside of the brewpub. In other words, you will never see Texas brewpub beer (Billy’s, NXNX, Draught House, Love Joys) on any store shelves.
    Brewery License (PDF): This license entitles the holder to brew beer at their brewery and distribute it throughout the state. However, the legal hurdle for breweries is the law that prohibits them from selling beer at their brewery. This means that say you go to a brewery tour and afterwards you want to buy a fresh 6-pack to enjoy at home. Well , according to Texas law this is illegal and you’re out of luck. Instead you’ll have to buy that same 6-pack at the nearest store that carries it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Columbus Civil
    And Two Rows? And Copper Tank? Humperdinks?
    they don't do offsite retail

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    The Deep Ellum Better Block was a dud...

    http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2010...-better-block/

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFWCRE8TIVE
    The Deep Ellum Better Block was a dud...

    http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2010...-better-block/
    It's not surprising to me. The Deep Ellum residential stakeholders don't appear to be operating as a really cohesive group. Aside from that, I don't think that Deep Ellum has enough "daytime" retail in operation to draw people there in significant numbers. At the present, Deep Ellum is more focused on nighttime activity. Deep Ellum will really thrive when it starts to embrace its music roots/past. . .possibly with a Blues museum, street vendors, souvenir shops, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mballar
    It's not surprising to me. The Deep Ellum residential stakeholders don't appear to be operating as a really cohesive group. Aside from that, I don't think that Deep Ellum has enough "daytime" retail in operation to draw people there in significant numbers. At the present, Deep Ellum is more focused on nighttime activity. Deep Ellum will really thrive when it starts to embrace its music roots/past. . .possibly with a Blues museum, street vendors, souvenir shops, etc.
    While I agree with you on the lack of cohesiveness between the Deep Ellum bunch the better block project does not require already functioning daytime businesses to work. One of the main features of the Better Block events is that the organizers work with building owners in cases where there is empty retail space and they setup temporary storefronts with basic infrastructure. Temporary Coffee shops, Flower Shops, Baked goods, Sandwich shops, etc. Mainly to showcase how easily the spaces could become something as a thriving local business like you see in other urban areas. This Deep Ellum group decided to work with already operating businesses to feature them most likely and possibly a lack of resources to assemble people to operate these temporary businesses like in the other Better Block events. The problem is Better Block is not meant to be a Taste of Deep Ellum thing per-say but a real life example of empty storefronts breed empty storefronts. They really needed to try to fill in some of those empty storefronts in between the already operating businesses to build the right amount of interest and activity. Course empty storefronts was just one of the Better Block Deep Ellum problems which included the crowd control fences they used to take back parts of the street.

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    This better block deal sounded more like a publicity stunt than a sincere attempt to facilitate a more livable neighborhood.

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    Lightbulb

    What it looked like to me were business attempting to increase their square footage at the expense of sidewalks, by moving the sidewalks into the street. Which isn't a bad idea if a brand new sidewalk was built, but it wasn't. Instead, a lane in the street was stripped as a sidewalk. Hello, even stupid people can tell the difference between a sidewalk and a street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electricron
    What it looked like to me were business attempting to increase their square footage at the expense of sidewalks, by moving the sidewalks into the street. Which isn't a bad idea if a brand new sidewalk was built, but it wasn't. Instead, a lane in the street was stripped as a sidewalk. Hello, even stupid people can tell the difference between a sidewalk and a street.
    Yes, they probably should have moved the "patio space" into the parking spaces and kept the sidewalk as-is. The event was a bit too spread out, as well. Concentrating on a smaller block of buildings with better connectivity would have been better. Blocking lanes with metal barricades didn't make it any different than the setup for a parade or street festival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamtagon
    This better block deal sounded more like a publicity stunt than a sincere attempt to facilitate a more livable neighborhood.
    I think the organizers really wanted it to be a Better Block but instead they did a lack luster Weekend Festival instead of understanding what the point of a Better Block should be. All they did was basically mark off space for some people to stand around which is what a festival tends to do, crowd control fences and all. Deep Ellum has had plenty of Festivals that block off the streets for people to wander around but Better Block has numerous important features and or activity generating hubs that make it a successful demonstration of a more balanced urban infrastructure design. The Deep Ellum skipped over those important features so they didn't attract the neighborhood activity Better Blocks can when done right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamtagon
    This better block deal sounded more like a publicity stunt than a sincere attempt to facilitate a more livable neighborhood.
    Yep. And who actually rides bikes in Dallas? homeless people? come one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xen0blue
    Yep. And who actually rides bikes in Dallas? homeless people? come one.
    Are you kidding?

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    Who actually rides bikes? Have you been to White Rock Lake? or just sit on Belmont Ave. they go by my house day and night...

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    http://www.urbandaddy.com/dal/nightlife/11757/__:url:

    The Story of Anvil
    Deep Ellum’s New Drinking LairAh, Deep Ellum.

    The live-music haunts. The rooftop drinking spots. The option to get a tattoo sleeve every other block.

    Practically the only thing it doesn’t have is a charming little English pub.

    Until now.

    Allow us to introduce Anvil Pub, a new pint-drinking nook in Deep Ellum, slated to open this Friday.

    With dark wood walls, exposed-brick columns and vintage light fixtures hanging above, Anvil feels like an old-world English pub plucked from across the pond and dropped in Deep Ellum. (With fewer Manchester United hooligans.)

    So imagine it: you spill out of a concert this Friday. And instead of heading home, you find yourself needing a beer, a cozy booth and a place to break down the set list. You’ll use your natural pub-finding instincts to track down a bright orange door on Elm Street (or you’ll just cross the street).

    Once inside, you’ll make your way to a long wooden bar and order one of the 20 beers on draft. Brew in hand, you’ll head to the opposite wall lined with red banquettes and take a seat next to some friendly alt-rock groupies.

    And in the coming months, you’ll be able to pair your Guinness with food from the green kitchen, which will be utterly greaseless and leave a smaller carbon footprint.

    Thereby offsetting the gas used in your stretch Lambo.

    Anvil Pub
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lakewooder
    http://www.urbandaddy.com/dal/nightlife/11757/__:url:

    The Story of Anvil
    Deep Ellum’s New Drinking LairAh, Deep Ellum.

    The live-music haunts. The rooftop drinking spots. The option to get a tattoo sleeve every other block.

    Practically the only thing it doesn’t have is a charming little English pub.

    Until now.

    Allow us to introduce Anvil Pub, a new pint-drinking nook in Deep Ellum, slated to open this Friday.

    With dark wood walls, exposed-brick columns and vintage light fixtures hanging above, Anvil feels like an old-world English pub plucked from across the pond and dropped in Deep Ellum. (With fewer Manchester United hooligans.)

    So imagine it: you spill out of a concert this Friday. And instead of heading home, you find yourself needing a beer, a cozy booth and a place to break down the set list. You’ll use your natural pub-finding instincts to track down a bright orange door on Elm Street (or you’ll just cross the street).

    Once inside, you’ll make your way to a long wooden bar and order one of the 20 beers on draft. Brew in hand, you’ll head to the opposite wall lined with red banquettes and take a seat next to some friendly alt-rock groupies.

    And in the coming months, you’ll be able to pair your Guinness with food from the green kitchen, which will be utterly greaseless and leave a smaller carbon footprint.

    Thereby offsetting the gas used in your stretch Lambo.

    Anvil Pub
    2638 Elm St
    Dallas, TX 75201


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    i was really hoping this would turn out like this

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    Seems like the new bars in Deep Ellum are becoming more sophisticated. Even old folks like me, 37, are finding places to patronize in DE these days.

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    I know I'll be out there this weekend! I'm going over to Sunset Lounge, Three Sheets, Anvil, and to whatever else I can find.

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    At Long Last, Big Bucks Burnett Finds a Home for His Eight Track Museum -- in Deep Ellum
    By Robert Wilonsky, Fri., Nov. 12 2010 @ 3:37PM
    Categories: Arts, Development, Local Hero, Local Music
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    ​Moments ago -- and that is no exaggeration -- James "Big Bucks" Burnett finally signed the lease that will allow him to set up the Eight Track Museum that's been in the works ever since the October 2009 exhibition at the Barry Whistler Gallery. As proof, Bucks sends this lease-signing photo; perhaps he's under the impression we don't believe him, following the March announcement that he was this close to getting a Deep Ellum space -- right before he backed off at the last moment. Fret not, says he: This time, it's for real.

    ...

    Opening day is scheduled for Dec. 25, 2010.

    The museum will be located in Deep Ellum -- exact address to be revealed in early December.

    The museum will consist of a main exhibit room, and a secondary room, for a total of approx. 700 sq. ft.

    ...

    The museum will also begin offering music history seminars and classes in 2011.

    In addition to 8 tracks, Burnett will document all known recorded audio formats, from the wax cylinder to the iPod.

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    So, yes, the better block was a dud

    and i'm over the embarrassment and can now start talking about it. it's true i'd lost the support of the community association. shortly thereafter participating businesses started falling out and my support team all of a sudden was too busy with their real jobs.

    i figure, i paid a lot in time, energy, and money to learn an important lesson: Deep Ellum is not Oak Cliff.

    so i'm starting back at square one and posted this blog to answer questions of my motives from people in the community.

    Why a Market in Deep Ellum?

    This question is not simple, nor is the answer. Here is the most succinct way to put it:

    In 1961, American-born Jane Jacobs wrote the urbanists' handbook The Death and Life of Great American Cities. The book looked at specific examples of successful and unsuccessful cities and drew conclusions detailing what factors determined the liveliness and deadliness of an urban area.

    To summarize, here are the four factors that contribute to successful urban life: 1) Mixed-use commercial and residential buildings, 2) Active sidewalk life, 3) Short city blocks, 4) Mix of old and new buildings.

    1) Live, work, and play. In traditional neighborhood design, people are within walking distance of retail stores and things to do. Consumerism is so important to our economy that it should be easy for people to spend money at any time of day. A place should attract different people at different hours so that the area remains lively day and night.

    2) The excitement of city life is often embodied in the busyness of people on the sidewalk. People buzzing around provides commerce to businesses lining the streets, but also an important and subtle amount of socialization takes place: getting to know your neighbors. Visible city life lends to trust on the streets, which leads to even more activity and comfort on the sidewalks.

    3) Pedestrian activity is vital to the life on the street, which is virtually eliminated when the sidewalks don't take you anywhere. Very long city blocks do no offer many options for getting from one place to another. A vibrant walking community features multiple paths for walking from one destination to the next. And short city blocks create an abundance of street corners, which provides plenty of potential for storefronts.

    4) A mix of old and new buildings gives residents and business owners different options for space rental. Older places tend to be less expensive than newer ones, but the spaces provided can match what the renter is looking for based on the price point of the person's budget. The idea is for the neighborhood to embrace diversity of people and the businesses they attract.

    Recent efforts within the Central Business District of Dallas notwithstanding, there remains a lack of such types of places around Dallas with one glaring exception: Deep Ellum. Deep Ellum has the mixed use buildings, the interconnected sidewalks and streets, and the mix of old and new buildings. What the neighborhood is obviously lacking at this point in time is vibrant sidewalk life throughout the day.

    The Deep Ellum Outdoor Market was created to serve this purpose. For residents, tourists, and nostalgists to repopulate the streets of the neighborhood one weekend afternoon at a time until the spark the Market provides gives opportunity to more people and businesses to create a better city.
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    I read on the "deep ellum bowl" forums that the reason they aren't yet is because they were vandalized...but this was posted in september

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    Stay true to Deep Ellum's roots. Absent a complete makeover (e.g. demolition of current structures and development of new ones), Deep Ellum's success will be tied to embracing its music history. Deep Ellum has a very unique music history, steeped in one of a kind Blues artists/experiences. We should not shy away from this history,y in an effort to imitate what has been done in West Village, Bishop Arts District, or in the CBD. Deep Ellum has something that those other places don't have. Exploit that, and you won't need a "Better Block" project to resurrect the street life that is just waiting to happen. Please see post #672 of this thread.
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    Not being a part of the community association or even being a resident in Deep Ellum, I don't feel it's my place to necessarily define the neighborhood's personality. You're right, cues from history should be taken into consideration (shameless self promotion alert: check out one man blues band Joe Tucker at the market this weekend!), but I see my job as promoting the neighborhood and helping out entrepreneurs.

    One mystery that continues to confound me, and I hope suggestions here would help solve this conundrum, but all businesses in the area (including myself) suffer from a common problem: Deep Ellum residents don't spend money in the community. The people living there have various reasons for living in the neighborhood, but it's pulling teeth to get a steady and respectable number of them supporting local business. What kind of places do they want to spend money at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandron
    One mystery that continues to confound me, and I hope suggestions here would help solve this conundrum, but all businesses in the area (including myself) suffer from a common problem: Deep Ellum residents don't spend money in the community. The people living there have various reasons for living in the neighborhood, but it's pulling teeth to get a steady and respectable number of them supporting local business. What kind of places do they want to spend money at?
    Well, if they are going to the dry-cleaner or grocery store, they are going to go somewhere else.
    Tighten the female dog!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandron
    Recent efforts within the Central Business District of Dallas notwithstanding, there remains a lack of such types of places around Dallas with one glaring exception: Deep Ellum. Deep Ellum has the mixed use buildings, the interconnected sidewalks and streets, and the mix of old and new buildings. What the neighborhood is obviously lacking at this point in time is vibrant sidewalk life throughout the day.
    Cedars has the same elements and I'm sure other places also do, e.g., Design District? Deep Ellum needs to learn the difference between leading edge and bleeding edge. We'll likely get medieval soon on Lowest Greenville because they also can't control the difference. If Deep Ellum learns how to operate in that region, then it can exploit that uniqueness and thrive. If we have to again muster the DPD night shift every Friday/Saturday at Malcom X/Main, then we'll banish the edginess once again and Deep Ellum will lose.

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    Deep Ellum needs to learn the difference between leading edge and bleeding edge. We'll likely get medieval soon on Lowest Greenville because they also can't control the difference.
    you mind elaborating?

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    Deep Ellum residents don't spend money locally? Sorta true... I think for the most part, we go to work, come back and stay in our apartments. I used to live at Farm and Ranch which is at the end of Main Street. There's nothing really close by other than Murray's Cafe. I did have to walk past some empty blocks to get anywhere. I'm more a night owl, though, so every time i was ready to go out, Murray's was closed. Even Cafe Brazil closes early during the week. The places I would go to pretty regularly was All Good on Tuesday nights, Cafe Brazil for super late night coffee on the weekends, Mama Mia's on Sundays or Mito and Pepe's, cuz they're always open. And Mokah Coffee bar, also because they're always open til 10 pm. I never really hung out in the neighborhood during the day though... would be cool if there were a restaurant with patio seating or a nearby market towards the eastern end of Deep Ellum.

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    LED lights up Deep Ellum Pillars -- youtube video linked:

    http://eastdallasblog.dallasnews.com...s-in-deep.html

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    Club Dada Gets Necessary Permits, Eyes December For Opening Date
    By Pete Freedman, Fri., Nov. 19 2010 @ 4:32PM

    After two weeks of construction delays blamed on "red tape" from city officials, Club Dada co-owner Josh Florence passes along word today that the club finally has all of the permits it needs to move ahead with construction.

    "We got 'em," Florence says with a serious sense of relief evident in his tone. "They're in the window. They can't take them away. I'm stoked -- the dust will start flying tomorrow morning."

    The "dust" he refers to is the final leg of construction on the main room, the side room and the patio. Already, construction was underway on the main room, where the venue's long-standing and memorable middle bar has already been removed.

    The plan, Florence says, is to "crank out what we need to get done," and "open as soon as possible," likely at some point in December, for which the venue has already booked a few tentative dates.

    But when will the doors be open for sure?

    "There's no doubt in my mind that we will be open by New Year's Eve," Florence says.

    http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/dc9/...sary_permi.php

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    I'm not sure what I think about the LED lights. It gives the pillars a Las Vegas sheen to it...

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    Lightbulb

    I suppose giving every concrete pillar its own light would look cool, but it will still be very noisy under the freeway for anyone to appreciate up close.

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    It's about making the transition under the highway more appealing and less dangerous through attractive and unique uses of light and art. I don't think anyone will be worried about the sound or expecting people to forget where they are ultimately. I think it looks good and finally starts to address the well versed problem that is the moat of freeways that choke the core of Downtown Dallas. Walking under them at night is just asking for all kinds of crime/mischief and trouble, making them an attraction for creative expression makes the freeways less of an armpit of Downtown and more as a proactive demonstration of the community who cares about their neighborhood.

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