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Though it didn't seem to receive much press, the Deep Ellum Arts Festival had a terriffic turnout on Saturday. Friends and I were down there all day. I'm sure the weather might have hurt the festival a little yesterday, but Saturday was great!
/\ yes it was a good crowd. I parked at a meter however and just as i was getting to the car to add more change the woman was giving me a ticket so put a damper on the whole thing.
The whole parking thing really sucks i don't think the folks at City Hall realize how much of a deterrent it is. If i can't get free parking at Adair's i will often just go to another part of town.
On the one hand the City is giving money to pull people to the area and on the other hand they punish you if you go.
The city knows they have always made millions in parking fees and tickets off Deep Ellum while they turn off meters in the rest of Downtown Dallas to "encourage development" its always been such a money maker why would they change anything.
I remember when the parking meters around Denton's square were removed. It really changed my perception to a more open & inviting place.
You know Dallas turned off the meeters a few years ago in Deep Ellum and i remember reading at the time they were not really making that much money off the meeters.
It used to be the plan was screwing the man. Now its have sex with a man (After he buys you ".com" for sale at a low, low price).
Ive been told different by city employees as well as business owners who obviously wanted them removed/turned off. According to these people the city was making a good amount of dime off of Deep Ellum during the day then turning them off at night for encouraging the night life. Which helped maintain the cycle of empty Deep Ellum during the day packed at night.
Either way I believe Deep Ellum wants to be a neighborhood not just a nighttime club scene so the city should be looking at what they are doing to discourage daytime business in Deep Ellum.
Which reminds me within the loop of Downtown Dallas the meters are free after 6pm to encourage night time activity. During the daytime within the central core they have no problems charging for on the street parking due to the high traffic counts and dense numbers of office workers. Deep Ellum is different and charging for on the street parking in Deep Ellum during the daytime seems counter productive to encouraging daytime residential, restaurants, offices, and retail.
Do parking meters really deter that much activity? They really are not that expensive. A bigger deterrence is the perceived lack of parking. Removing meters would simply allow people to park all day for whatever reason, removing available capacity. Meters keep churn in the spaces, an impact almost as important as the revenue. Deep Ellum's problems are bigger than parking meters.
Kill the meters. You already have to pay if you want to use a parking lot.
Agreed. Plus, I never realized how ugly meters made the streetscape look until HOUSTON removed the meters downtown and replaced them with electronic parking systems. Downtown H-town looks so much nicer without those ugly meters jutting out of the street. Instead of all these grand mega projects Dallas loves to to, the city really needs to pay more attention to smaller issues. Nice clean streets, and a modern parking system will do more for DTD than a big bridge to nowhere.
What deters people is the parking tickets. Someone who gets a $25 ticket for overstaying by 5 minutes is far less likely to come back.
Anyway, you don't have to have parking meters to keep people from locking up spaces; just post and enforce a 2 our 4 hour limit. It works well in places like Fort Worth and Snider Plaza.
Besides, it really sucks when I gave to get out of bed at 7AM on a Saturday or Sunday morning to feed the meter so some new "friend" doesn't get her car ticketed. :-)
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The meters need to be expensive enough to keep some spaces open, downtown or Deep Ellum alike, 24/7. So downtown would be like today, expensive during the day and cheaper or free at night. In fact, should be more expensive than currently during the day in most spots that I try to park in. Deep Ellum should be pretty cheap during the day until the daytime uses pick up, and expensive at night to encourage people to use the garages. The corresponding part to this is a parking garage which is substantially cheaper than the street meters. This way there are some spaces on the street always available for quick trips, and cheap off-street parking for longer stays. This cuts down on the amount of cruising around looking for a cheap on-street space, why bother when it's spendy and there's a cheap garage in a location you know?
Cheap meters mean the local residents or employees monopolize the convenient spaces all day, and there is still no cheap convenient parking for visitors. The only other way around this is ruthless enforcement of short time limits, which takes alot of enforcement time/$$ and general complaining. High meter fees do the same thing naturally, and pay for their own enforcement.
This variable pricing is made easier by advanced meters which let you pay by your cel phone, etc., and even allow you to add time from a remote location.
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I don't mind the meters so much as I mind the buzz-kill of having to remember to feed them.
I agree it is not the cost of the meters that bugs me it is the fear of the meter running out and the fact that i never have much change in my car... so i have to go find someone to give me change and come back and feed the meter.
Anyway all in all for an area of town that is having a hard time making it they don't need anything else to stop people from going. The one place i go back to in Deep Ellum is Adairs --- they have free parking.
Which is why DOWNTOWNDALLAS partnered to create CityPark to make sure there was "cheap" parking when and where they wanted it. Deep Ellum kinda needed the same awhile ago but now there is no business in it while it seems so dead.
Just to clarify some incorrect information above, street parking at meters in Deep Ellum is FREE during the day (7 AM to 6 PM with a 2 hour limit) and has been for at least a couple of years now.
Thank you for clarifying that, it was needed.
That's weekdays only. They still kick in at 7AM on Saturday and Sunday mornings, to fully punish anyone who might take an alternate means of transportation instead of driving home drunk on Friday or Saturday night.
^True, I have noticed this when going to breakfast at All Good - ridiculous in my opinion. Couldn't they kick them on at noon instead of 7 a.m. on Sat morning?
"Providing Nothing Blows Up in Our Face," Trees May Be Back By Summer's End
By Robert Wilonsky
Monday, May. 4 2009 @ 5:15PM
More than once in recent weeks, Pete's hinted that perhaps Trees would once again take root on Elm Street, courtesy former Firewater talent booker and Vanilla Ice touring drummer Clint Barlow. Last time Pete checked in with Barlow, at the end of March, he was cautiously optimistic: "We're working on it," he told DC9, "but we'll see."
Today, he's significantly more encouraged. So too is building owner Belmor Corporation, whose rep, Carl Skibell, tells Unfair Park that Barlow "has a good idea for the area." So too are city officials.
I called Barlow today because I noted that on Thursday, the City Plan Commission will take up his application for the specific use permit necessary to obtain a certificate of occupancy and start construction. As you may recall, in January 2007, Kenny Brattain claimed the city's torturous SUP process chased him off, and stringent parking requirements led most folks to believe Trees would remain empty for, well, forever.
But Barlow says he's good to go, and city staff has recommended giving Barlow a two-year SUP subject to "a site plan and conditions." I've uploaded that site plan, if you're curious to sneak a peek.
"Providing nothing blows up in our face, I hope everyone opens their arms and welcomes us," he tells Unfair Park. "It'll be good for everyone."
Either Pete or I will attend the City Plan Commission confab on Thursday, where commissioners will determine whether Barlow does indeed have enough parking spaces to merit the SUP. Barlow says he does and then some, thanks in part to a clause in the ordinance that allows establishments within a quarter-mile of a DART station a 10 percent reduction in parking-spot requirements. Barlow says the SUP requires he have 31 parking space -- and that he's got between 34 to 38, more than enough.
David Cossum, the city's assistant director for planning, says Barlow's "coming close to parking everything on site," and says "if he can comply with the parking requirements, I don't think we'll have any problem at all." Then again, even if an issue does arise, Cossum says, "before they can get a CO [certificate of occupancy], they'll just have to negotiate a parking agreement with someone in the area."
Cossum also says to keep in mind that Barlow and Brattain's cases aren't at all similar, as the latter "had a lot of issues" with the city and withdrew his permit application before it ever reached the plan commission.
As for what Barlow's looking to do with the club, well, it'll be much the same as it was 18 years ago -- at least, it'll look familiar enough to us old-timers. But, he reminds, "today's clubgoer is more demanding than 18 years ago. Back then when we'd go down there, and it was kind of like it didn't matter if there were broken bottles or pee on the floor." In other words, the place'll be significantly tidier -- especially the bathrooms, a welcome change from the club that easily had among the worst in the city.
"The whole place will look awesome," he says.
And when will it open? Hard to say. Because even if it gets the commission's OK on Thursday, the SUP will still have to be high-fived by the Dallas City Council, most likely at one of its mid-June meetings. Barlow says he and the contractor think they could get the club open in July, should the council green-light the permit, but he'll likely wait till August or even September, when he says he has national shows on hold just in case.
And, yes, he knows what's in store for him: all the hand-wringing and chest-beating that will come with attempting to re-open one a club that died on December 28. 2005, and remains a perennial favorite even in its absence.
"You're damned if you do and damned if you don't," he says, laughing. '"People who loved it 18 years ago will be disappointed - it's not the same and never will be the same and wouldn't have been the same even if it had stayed open. But it will maintain the integrity it used to have. The scene isn't the same, the time isn't the same. But I am hoping that the hardcore people who kept it close to their hearts will give it a shot."
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfa...lows_up_in.php
Stage set for revival in Dallas' Deep Ellum
12:02 AM CDT on Sunday, June 7, 2009
By NANCY VISSER / The Dallas Morning News
nvisser@dallasnews.com
more at link:For a year, Dallas-based developer Scott Beck worked to buy up about 10 acres of Deep Ellum to build a mixed-use project that would have dramatically changed the heart of the entertainment district.
It was a deal that promised to revive Deep Ellum or threatened to destroy its character – depending on your point of view.
He brought in real estate broker Barry Annino, who helped draw contracts for the property at premium prices. Then the economy tanked. Property values dropped 20 percent, the agreements were overpriced, money was hard to get – and the deal was officially dead in December.
Much of Deep Ellum was on hold during the Beck deal while people tried to figure out whether they could cash in or would want out. But now, the district is beginning to stir, particularly with the upcoming link to the city's light rail system.
And it looks as if Deep Ellum will move forward as it always has, with varied interests doing their own thing while community leaders strive to make it cohesive.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...m.43d11f1.html
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Shawn Williams: A Beale Street model for Deep Ellum
06:53 PM CDT on Wednesday, June 24, 2009
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...1.2cb4fee.html
^The city should do whatever is necessary to promote live music venues of all kinds in Deep Ellum.
Good point, Tamtagon, that an area with cheap rents is a good incubator for innovation...
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I would like to get thoughts on an idea i had for improving deep Ellum but also the greater downtown area.
Not sure what the legal constraints are from a state perspective so that would determine how this would actually be structured.
Living in East Dallas I have seen for years the issues along Greenville Avenue and now we seem to be seeing a similar thing happening around Henderson… Bars open on streets and in areas that can’t support them from an infrastructure point of view. They have limited parking and limited access to public transportation. They are spread out around the city so they are difficult for Police to patrol and manage. Not to mention limited access to hotels so bar patrons could simply “sleep it off” rather then drive home.
Meanwhile we have a downtown area that has plenty of parking, Hotels, access to DART rail that connects the entire region and is a more confined space so it would be easier and cheaper for police to manage. --- But how do we get the bars to move?
What if we allowed bars in the CBD and Deep Ellum (that are X distance from a DART rail stop) stay open for an hour later. The catch would be that the bar must provide a late night food menu and some form of live entertainment for X hours on Friday and Saturday. We might also want to let bars within x feet of a DART rail station stay open a little later say 15 mins….
I think this could change the economics of putting entertainment in Downtown… and the increased density of entertainment options would increase the number of people that would choose downtown as a destination. For sure this would all come at a price… the city would have to take some if not all of the money they make on the bars and increase police in the area greatly… but perhaps a rising tide would float all boats…
Even if the change would only effect specific cities enumerated in the law, loosening alcohol laws statewide in Texas would be an uphill battle. If it were a local issue, it could be a possibility.
Interesting idea, though. It sounds sort of like Underground Atlanta.
Hopefully without the violence and actually profitable though...
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/pri...tlid=inform_sr
We have got to stop building entertainment districts and try building neighborhoods. Deep Ellum and Lower Greenville became entertainment districts with lots of bars and crime . Washington dc were going to try something unique in the Adams Morgan area. They were going to limit the number of bars in a given area by having a 150 foot separation from each bar . Thus limiting the number of bars in an area and creating space for other retail.
I am not sure if this has gone thru as of yet . I will check on progress on my next trip to Dc. I live in the Uptown area and on the weekend it sure looks like Lower Greenville a few years back ,when I lived in that area,. i hope Uptown is not now on that slippery slope of entertainment district.
Just an idea Dallas needs a few.
Well you know a lot of us like entertainment districts... It is nice to not be stuck in one bar and be able to walk to several. That also prevents people from driving from bar to bar...
I also love neighborhood bars but I go to each for different reasons... and as i get older i go to the neighborhood bars more... but i remember hanging out on 6th street and in deep Ellum and loving it at the time....
I also really wonder if we have reached a point where bars, restaurants and retail have to service more people then a Dallas area walking district/neighborhood can provide with out significant car traffic.
Looks like Muddy Waters has dumped Lower Greenville and at least moved half way to Deep Ellum. Their new location is on Live Oak between Peak and Carroll. Another great improvement for that neighborhood!
Why is 2:00 AM a magic number for last call?
More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol...tates_by_state
Good wikipedia find... so i guess it is not possible for Dallas to open bars later then 2am unless we had a change at the state level... and it would be politically hard to shut bars down any earlier...
but we could refuse to let new bars open later then 1:30 outside of the Target areas... just a thought.
There was an attempt a couple of years ago to allow hotels to serve alcohol beyond 2AM. But it died on the House floor.
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillL...0R&Bill=HB815#
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http://eastdallasblog.dallasnews.com...llum-toni.html
Trees opens in Deep Ellum tonight after furious two-month renovation by new owners
11:12 AM Fri, Aug 14, 2009 | Permalink
Nancy Visser/Reporter
You know those movie scenes where you see some old wreck of a building, with crumbling walls, dust everywhere and broken furniture? And then, the scene changes to when that building was shiny and busy, and the story begins. That's what it was like walking into Trees last night for the opening party of the Deep Ellum hard rock club.
Two months ago, Clint and Whitney Barlow got the City Council's approval to re-open the club. The Barlows had contractors ready to go and the scaffolding went up immediately. Whitney says friends tell her now that they didn't think they could fix up the place in just two months. It was pretty ragged-looking. But they did it.
They got their certificate of occupancy Thursday afternoon, and hours later they opened their doors to friends and the community. You can see the bones of the old club -- stage at the front corner, balconies along the back and sides, pillars with tree-bark texture -- but it's new and improved and smells like wet paint.
Go to the jump to see what the neighbors think.
The guests included Deep Ellum business owners, who are pleased to see more activity coming to the entertainment district. Barry Annino, president of the Deep Ellum Foundation, noted that Tuckers' Blues got its special use permit this week to open a club on Main Street. Renovations on that space, the old Blue Cat Blues, began before the council approved the permit. That might have been a bit risky, but owner Dianne Tucker thought it was necessary to get the club ready by the time the DART light rail begins running through Deep Ellum in September.
Clint Barlow praised the city for working with him on the inspections to help him meet his deadline. He proudly accepted praise from a woman last night who commented on the renovated bathrooms. "That's my Number One thing," he said, "the women's restrooms better be clean." (His other objective is to provide a great venue for the bands as well as the fans.)
Among the guests last night were next door neighbors Tuyet Davis and Khoa Nguyen from Lemongrass. Is Nguyen concerned about having a loud rock club next door to his restaurant? No way. "Whitney was worried about the noise, but I told her it's better to hear music than nothing." He simply wants to see more people in Deep Ellum.
Trees opens tonight with Dallas hard-rock band Slow Roosevelt. Saturday's headliner is Fair to Midland. Go to treesdallas.com for ticket and schedule info.
http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2009...loses-skillma/Pegasus News
Thursday, August 13, 2009
Flavor Asian Fusion and Dessert Bar closes Skillman location, will move to Dallas’ Deep Ellum
BY TERESA GUBBINS
DALLAS — Flavor Asian Fusion and Dessert Bar, the critically lauded Asian-fusion restaurant starring Rising Star chef Weerayut "Oudi" Utedpornratanakul, closed its location on Skillman Avenue on July 25.
But there is good news, says co-owner/manager Piyada Huatcharoen: The restaurant will reopen in Deep Ellum this fall.
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I was at Trees last nightfor the grand opening - the place looks pretty good. I'm rooting for them to succeed.
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http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2009...work-art-park/
Thursday, August 27, 2009
Deep Ellum to welcome new artwork to Art Park
By Pegasus News wire
A ribbon cutting event will welcome the new public artwork to Deep Ellum’s Art Park on Saturday, September 12. From 2 - 4 p.m., the Deep Ellum Foundation invites artists, residents, and visitors to enjoy more than 30 new outdoor paintings.
The concrete sculptures that have greeted visitors since the mid 90s have been repainted for the first time in over a decade. Immediately following the DART Super Saturday event a few blocks over, the Deep Ellum Foundation will host the Art Park Ribbon Cutting. Art Park is located along Commerce Street, Canton Street, and Good Latimer Expressway under Highway 75. Just walk across Good Latimer from Bark Park Central.
Thanks to funding from the Farmers Market Tax Increment Financing District, the entire Deep Ellum Connector is getting a makeover. The lights that illuminate the sculptures after dark are the result of electrical repairs to Art Park’s lighting system. The lights have not worked for years, but now they shine brightly on the new paintings.
The Deep Ellum Foundation is also working with the Texas Department of Transportation to add mural paintings to many of the highway columns under Highway 75 as the next phase of the Art Park project.
“The lighting improvements were critical to light the artwork at night and to increase public safety in the area,” says longtime Deep Ellum developer, John Miller of PlanB Development, who is a member of both the Farmers Market and Deep Ellum TIF boards.
“The benefit of the art installation goes a long way in connecting the Farmers Market community to Deep Ellum.”
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Artists are down there right now painting.
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Angela Hunt posted some more recent pics of the traveling man to her flickr account.
Went to Tree's last night since they reopened and it's awesome...very well done. They also have alot of big names coming up, I might add.
Also, I've got to admit that robot statue at deep ellum station has really grown on me...it looks really awesome, but I still don't think it's worth spending a million dollars on a statue,
Noticed yesterday that Urban Paws is opening a location on Elm Street in retail space immediately east of I45.
New places opening up in Deep Ellum:
http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfa...ng_to_plan.php
http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2009...re-open-deep-/
Green Room and Club DaDa are coming back.
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I wonder if this is just coincidence or is a direct result of the DART?
La Grange opens in a few weeks.
http://www.lagrangedallas.com/
Here's a story behind the place:
http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2009...cy-deep-ellum/
I heard the food at Cricket's on Elm St was pretty good. Has anybody been there?
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