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    Thumbs up DFW wants to be the premier airport in the global marketplace

    Airport remains a dynamic presence
    Bob Ray Sanders COMMENTARY - Star-Telegram
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    On a visit to Dallas/Fort Worth Airport last week, I saw its spacious new $1 billion terminal bustling with people.

    The new elevated train, which runs about 50 feet above ground and makes the old AirTrans system look like an ancient relic, swiftly carried passengers from one station to the other in an average time of five minutes. And guests at the new Grand Hyatt Hotel, sitting atop the international terminal, enjoyed the vista from a rooftop spa and pool.

    What a sight it was.

    Of course, these were all virtual images, computer-generated to give the viewer an idea of what things will look like when the largest construction project in Texas is completed in 2005. The nation's third-busiest airport is in the middle of a $2.6 billion capital development program, which includes construction of the 2 million-square-foot terminal building and the impressive $847-million Skylink people-mover system. Leaving the virtual and going to the actual, the project is still amazing. The new Terminal D and hotel complex, a concrete, steel and glass structure taking shape in the heart of the airport, is bustling with people. About 5,000 construction workers are there each day.

    And, this is one massive project that is on schedule -- and on budget.

    As I toured the site with D/FW CEO Jeff Fegan and Senior Executive Vice President Kevin Cox, my mind flashed back more than three decades to when the concrete was being poured for the first terminal building. It's hard to believe that, until work began on this new project, no new terminal had been built since the airport opened 29 years ago. Along with hundreds of millions of dollars in support infrastructure, airfield improvements, and roadways and parking, it is clear that the giant economic engine of the Metroplex will continue to be a force for years to come. Those Fort Worth and Dallas leaders who decided to build "an airport the size of Manhattan" were obviously visionaries, but they were also practical people who understood that others would have to come along and continue to build on their dreams.

    Fegan and Cox, while excited about the airport's building boom, are even more ecstatic about the feat they pulled off on Wall Street last month that helps secure D/FW's future for at least 50 more years. At what many would have considered the worst possible time -- post-9/11, the world's largest airline teetering on the brink of bankruptcy and the SARS scare -- D/FW officials went to the bond market and sold a record $1.46 billion worth of bonds in one day. In three hours, to be exact. It was the largest sale in D/FW's history and the largest one-day sale by any airport in U.S. history, airport officials said.

    And the airport had enough buyers to have sold twice as many bonds that day.

    Bond rating services cited the airport's importance to national air service, competitive cost structure, its proactive management and the "diversified and growing service area" among its strengths. Because of the lower-than-expected interest rate, D/FW will save $566 million in interest over a 20-year period and an estimated $1.1 billion over the life of the bonds. That bond sale also speaks well for the North Texas economy and, of course, the future growth of the area.

    Perhaps no better symbol of that future is the Skylink, which, except for the short connection to Terminal D, is complete. I had a chance to walk into one of the train cars that, unlike AirTrans, will be a bi-directional system moving 5,000 passengers per hour. Trains will arrive at stations every two minutes, Cox said. From the 50-foot-high track that winds through the airport, riders will be able to see the skylines of Fort Worth and Dallas, the two cities that, 40 years ago, stopped feuding long enough to create an engineering and economic wonder.

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    Good article (Sometimes I think the Star Telegram writes better artcles than the beloved DMN). It really is a spectacle.
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    I drove by the new terminal yesterday. The size of the project is really impressive. Too bad there is no place to stop on the service road to take a picture.

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    Will the new Terminal move Dallas up in the ranks of US airports? To number 2 or maybe even number 1?

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    I think we could possibly move up in the rankings, but Chicago O'hare just got funding for a $5 Billion dollar expansion plan. I would think they would continue to be ahead of us after that expansion. I am not sure about Atlanta's expansion plans.

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    I know a new runway is under construction at the Atlanta airport, but it's getting bogged by a variety of political problems. I think it's supposed to be available in 2005.

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    The new terminal should give DFW the capacity to be #1 in the world (DFW currently #3, Atlanta #1, Chicago #2).

    I think severe winter weather will limit Chicago's ability to achieve full capacity usage. United's problems and the city's low overall economic growth will also hamper a big increase in O'Hare's traffic.

    I think Atlanta is operating near maximum capacity.


    Also, AA needs to get their shop in order for DFW to get to #1.

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    I believe Hartsfield is under a huge expansion right now, so DFW probably won't catch it.

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    2 things:

    1) might DFW airport but sooo important to the area that it might merit it's very own area of the forum? Especially with all the cool expansion going on at the moment. Just a thought.

    2) Does Atlanta have as little competition among airlines as we do at DFW? I know Delta is big there.

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    Atlanta seems to have more variety, but that might change when we get the new international terminal.

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    Airtran offers the Atlanta folks cheap flights to many other big cities.

    I feel that we miss out because Southwest can’t fly from Dallas to places like Vegas.

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    Thumbs up D/FW rededicated on 30th anniversary

    D/FW rededicated on 30th anniversary
    02:58 PM CDT on Monday, September 22, 2003
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    GRAPEVINE – Leaders from across North Texas celebrated the 30th anniversary of Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport on Monday, praising the cooperation that has resulted in economic growth for both Dallas and Tarrant counties. The airport, built on 18,000 acres of farmland straddling both counties, now generates an $11 billion annual economic impact to the region and more than 200,000 jobs, according to airport officials.

    The ceremony closely followed the dedication of 30 years ago. It was led by former House Speaker Jim Wright, who spoke at the original event. "It's hard to believe that 30 years have passed since that wonderful, fabulous, sunshiny day when we all gathered here in 1973 to dedicate this piece of prairie to the future safe and convenient travel of people in and out of Dallas-Fort Worth from everywhere and to everywhere on Earth,” Wright said. The airport, which opened with 66 gates, now operates 137 gates and has grown into the world's third busiest. It offers nearly 2,000 flights per day, according to airport officials.

    Fort Worth Mayor Mike Moncrief called the birth of D-FW "nothing short of a miracle," noting the animosity that had to be overcome between the airport's namesake cities during its development phase. "Luckily we worked out our differences and today the Metroplex is one of the strongest economic centers in the world," Moncrief said. Then he quoted the words of former Fort Worth Mayor R.M. "Sharkey" Stovall: "There's nothing like signing a $420 million bond issue to make you friends."

    Wes Wise, who was Dallas’ mayor in 1971-76, attended Monday’s ceremony on Mayor Laura Miller’s behalf. He said the airport, now rebounding from the economic impact of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, is expected to move more than 54 million passengers in the upcoming year. "Dallas is proud to be a part of such a great undertaking. Here's to the next 30 years; I can hardly wait," Wise said. Construction is under way on two major airport projects, the new International Terminal D and SkyLink automated people mover. Both are expected to open in early 2005.

    WFAA-TV (Channel 8) contributed to this report.
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    With the International terminal finished, and with a people mover system that acutally works (Which hopefully will get us a little bit of notice and slack from all the badmouthing the airport has gotten in the past on behalf of the people-mover system), just how much busier do you all think DFW will become? Will we move up to #2 or even #!?

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    If this is the case, DFW is #2...

    Two U.S. Airports Claim To Be Busiest
    Chicago, Atlanta Airports Downplay Rivalry

    POSTED: 10:30 a.m. EST January 5, 2004

    ATLANTA -- The busiest airport rivalry between Chicago and Atlanta is heating up again. Each city claims its hub holds the world record.

    Chicago's O'Hare International Airport had the most takeoffs and landings in 2003. There were about 930,000, according to records kept by the National Air Traffic Controllers Association and the Federal Aviation Administration.

    But Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport is projected to have the most passengers -- almost 59 million through September, according to the latest numbers available.

    FAA spokesman William Shumann said takeoffs and landings and passengers are both valid measures for determining which airport is the world's busiest, so the title is elusive.

    A Hartsfield-Jackson spokesman said there's no "World Series of airports." And an O'Hare spokeswoman downplayed the airport rivalry.

    Still, both claim to represent the world's busiest.

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    Originally posted by dallastophoenix
    Two U.S. Airports Claim To Be Busiest
    Still, both claim to represent the world's busiest.
    What is that to brag about? It just says, "Our airport is a LIVING NIGHTMARE!!!"

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    not exactly, UL... o'hare is fairly simple to navigate (except for the weather), and i find dfw to be one of the easiest airports to fly out of (security is usually a breeze)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dallastophoenix
    not exactly, UL... o'hare is fairly simple to navigate (except for the weather), and i find dfw to be one of the easiest airports to fly out of (security is usually a breeze)...
    very true. it took me the forever to get out of Balt-Wash last Jan. They had separated people into 2 lines for the metal detectors and everyone got assigned to one line except for a few who got to go in the other one. I guess they were "lower risk?" It was like an HOV lane. BWI seemed to also be the most thorough in going through every bag and every compartment. Makes you feel safe but then you really do have to get to the airport very early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vfib
    very true. it took me the forever to get out of Balt-Wash last Jan. They had separated people into 2 lines for the metal detectors and everyone got assigned to one line except for a few who got to go in the other one. I guess they were "lower risk?" It was like an HOV lane.
    The "lower risk" people were probably crew members and those with diplomatic immunity. Very very common, I would guess, in Washington's airports.
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    Agreed dallastophoenix.
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    Just another ittle rendering to include on that 12-story Grand Hyatt:


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    What will become of the old Hyatt?
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    answer to your question from the DBJ:

    The 811-room Hyatt Regency DFW hotel, for example, located within Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport, is in the midst of a $33 million expansion that will transform both the interior and exterior.

    The project includes new meeting rooms and a junior ballroom, as well as renovation of the hotel's existing meeting space, restaurant, lobby, bar, front desk and entrance. Renovated guest-room baths and four redesigned VIP suites are also part of the work, most of which will be completed by January 2004.

    The extensive renovation is designed to appeal to business and leisure travelers as well as those attending meetings at the hotel.

    It was time for a face lift of some hotel facilities, and the expanded meeting space will help the hotel better serve a number of different companies that hold meetings there simultaneously, said Tom Smith, general manager.

    The slow economy and reduced business travel has made this a good time for renovation, as fewer guests and meetings are being affected by the construction, he said. Walls were constructed to cut noise and other intrusions during the construction. Those efforts have paid off, with the hotel recently reporting its highest-ever marks for customer service, Smith said.

    Seven new meeting rooms, including a lobby level junior ballroom and two boardrooms, will boost the hotel's total meeting rooms to 71 and 92,000 square feet. A ballroom will also be refurbished.

    The hotel will be joined in early 2005 by the Grand Hyatt DFW, a 298-room hotel that is part of the airport's new Terminal D.

    The properties will complement each other, with the Grand Hyatt busy with weekday business and good overflow space for the Hyatt Regency DFW on weekends, Smith said. The Grand Hyatt will have only 18,000 square feet of meeting space compared with the Hyatt Regency DFW's 92,000 square feet.

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    travel is back....we think!?

    D/FW Airport expects hot year
    Summer traffic expected to climb back to 2001 levels
    07:23 AM CDT on Thursday, May 27, 2004
    By SUZANNE MARTA / The Dallas Morning News
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    Summer travel bookings will exceed 2001 figures for first time this year, officials at Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport said Wednesday. An estimated 16.6 million passengers are expected to travel through D/FW Airport from June through August – 12 percent more than in the same period last year – as the economy gains strength.

    Flying has been off for several years, as corporate and personal travel budgets plummeted in the economic downturn and security concerns grew in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. "The boss is now saying, 'OK, go to L.A., go to Boston,' instead of 'Can't you do it by phone?' " said Joe Lopano, D/FW's executive vice president for marketing. D/FW expects to see 995,000 travelers between today and June 1 for the Memorial Day holiday weekend, up 13 percent from a year ago.

    The airport's recovery has outpaced overall growth in U.S. passenger traffic in part because Fort Worth-based American Airlines Inc. has shifted many flights from its St. Louis hub to D/FW. Delta Air Lines Inc. and AirTran Airways Inc. have also added service. To stave off longer security lines, the U.S. Transportation Security Administration will have additional employees at its checkpoints to help lines move more efficiently. U.S. reserve and active-duty soldiers again will be offered free parking, D/FW officials said. The spaces are available through next Wednesday in the Express South lot and require a valid military identification.

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    i hate the architecture of dfw why cant we have someting like that airport in japan designed by renzo piano

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    is the new terminal open yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by texasyndicate
    is the new terminal open yet
    No, it is not. When were you at the airport last?
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    Terminal D will open in Spring of 2005.

    http://www.dfwairport.com/cdp/terminal_d.htm


    I plan on taking an international trip to try it out.


    What are the furthest places that we can fly to from DFW?

    I flew to directly to Zurich once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psukhu
    Terminal D will open in Spring of 2005.

    http://www.dfwairport.com/cdp/terminal_d.htm


    I plan on taking an international trip to try it out.


    What are the furthest places that we can fly to from DFW?

    I flew to directly to Zurich once.
    I think the furthest routes are Seoul (on Korean Air) going west and to Frankfurt (on American) going east.

    There's also a flight south on American to Santiago, but I don't think that's as far as Seoul.

    I've heard the rumor about Qantas direct flights from Syndey to DFW. THAT would be awesome!

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    D/FW Airport redesign to stem close calls
    They want to reduce the chance of rare runway collisions occurring
    08:23 AM CDT on Monday, August 16, 2004
    By MICHAEL GRABELL / The Dallas Morning News
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    Passengers often don't even notice the close calls.

    An MD-80 jet is cleared for takeoff when a smaller, regional plane crosses its path less than a mile down the runway. The smaller jet, which has just landed, is using the wrong taxiway on the way to the gate. Dozens of lives could be at stake, but the pilot of the bigger plane aborts his takeoff.

    D/FW, the nation's third-busiest airport, had six of these so-called "runway incursions" last year, according to data from the Federal Aviation Administration. An incursion is any event that creates a collision hazard for an aircraft or results in two planes coming too close together while taking off or landing. While such incidents are relatively rare at D/FW and at all airports – about one in 192,000 takeoffs and landings nationally – each one has the potential to become a deadly collision if the pilots and air traffic controllers don't notice them and act quickly enough.

    To reduce hazards, D/FW is exploring a plan to redesign the airport's runways so that planes landing during peak times could avoid crossing any runways while taxiing to their gates. The airport's figures for fiscal year 2003 were comparable to those of other major airports and very rare when considering that each has hundreds of thousands of runway crossings a year, said Paul Erway, runway safety program manager for the FAA's southwest region.

    "It's like the difference between being struck by lightning or being eaten by a bear," he said. "We're talking about extremely rare events. I don't want people to worry every time they get into an aircraft. And we're going to make them even more rare." The nation's busiest airport, Chicago's O'Hare International, had seven incursions, while the second-busiest, Atlanta's Hartsfield Jackson International Airport, had six. George Bush Intercontinental Airport in Houston had none.

    Of the 75 U.S. airports that the FAA studied over the last four years, D/FW was 11th in runway incursions. Dallas Love Field was not included in the report. "A lot of it depends on the design of the airport," said Allen Parra, D/FW's vice president for airport operations. "It's the layout of the runways and taxiways." D/FW went 16 months without an incursion in 2001 and 2002. At the time, officials credited runway safety meetings, a map of dangerous hot spots and safety training for airline mechanics.

    Since then, the airport began placing bumper stickers that read "I Brake for Runways" on the back of construction vehicles and fire trucks. Officials are also in the early stages of a plan to build "perimeter taxiways" around the runways. The reconfiguration is expected to cut radio traffic between pilots and controllers, the number of incursions and the time that passengers must sit on planes while taxiing to their gate. "Virtually, it would eliminate runway crossings during peak periods," Mr. Parra said.

    Last year, the airport completed a video simulation of how the perimeter taxiways would work, and it's now undergoing an initial design phase to determine how much construction might cost. Construction could begin as early as the end of 2007, Mr. Parra said. The rate of runway incursions has fallen nationwide since 2000 but has remained steady for the last three years, according to the FAA.

    At D/FW, which has about 810,000 takeoffs and landings a year, the rate is one in 135,000. The six incidents in fiscal year 2003 were all resolved before any collision could occur and early enough to prevent those involved from having to make drastic moves to avoid crashing.

    Three of the incursions were attributed to air traffic controller errors, two to pilot errors and one to a vehicle entering a runway without authorization. "It appears to be a human error problem by either pilots or controllers or people driving on the runways," Mr. Erway said. "In general, the errors that are made in the runway incursion business are a breakdown in communication or a loss in situational awareness."
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    U.S. aviation leaders discuss D/FW's future
    By Bryon Okada - Star-Telegram Staff Writer
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    HOUSTON - The economic future of Dallas/Fort Worth Airport -- and the Metroplex -- is a hot conversation topic as hundreds of airport directors and aviation industry leaders meet this week for the year's biggest U.S. airport convention. They're wondering how D/FW will handle Delta Air Lines' announced closing of its hub and next summer's opening of international Terminal D. That means D/FW, unlike many airports, has room for new airlines.

    The big question, said David Plavin, president of Airports Council International-North America, comes down to whether North Texas will support new entries at D/FW. D/FW is American Airlines territory. More than 70 percent of passengers at D/FW fly American. If no new airline takes Delta's gates, that percentage increases to 85 percent. Airport Board member Ricardo Medrano said there will be "new wings coming in" to D/FW, but Plavin said potential new carriers may not want "to get in there with the 900-pound gorilla."

    Gordon Bethune, chairman and chief executive of Continental Airlines, said during Monday's keynote address that Delta left D/FW because it "just got tired of being a distant second." Other industry experts argue that Delta did a poor job of maintaining its D/FW hub. Bethune also said cities with big hubs tend to create partnerships with a single airline as they compete against other hub cities.

    "If your partner is weak and loses, you lose," Bethune said. The conference continues through Wednesday evening. David Stone, head of the Transportation Security Administration, speaks today about maintaining security without disrupting travel.
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    i never really viewed airline competition as a reason not to locate at an airport..

    dallas needs some more british airways participation and needs some more stuff in and out of the far east and middle east.. really, just a lot of new international flights. It's always seemed lacking in that. a lot of domestics.. and international flights tend to layover in other major cities and then transfer to dfw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drumguy8800
    i never really viewed airline competition as a reason not to locate at an airport..

    dallas needs some more british airways participation and needs some more stuff in and out of the far east and middle east.. really, just a lot of new international flights. It's always seemed lacking in that. a lot of domestics.. and international flights tend to layover in other major cities and then transfer to dfw.
    That's mostly because Dallas-Ft. Worth isn't seen as a major international destination. Your average European isn't clamering to come to America and see Dallas. They want to come here and see New York, LA, and Miami. Sure, we've got all the business class passengers you can fit onto a plane, but, unfortunatley, that still doesn't justify more international flights. That, and DFW is also seen as a very difficult airport to change planes, unless you're flying American. Of course, that should change once the APM trains start running.

    Believe me, I'd love to see BA, Air France, Air India, Qantas, Aer Lingus, Virgin Atlantic, Swiss Air, Japan Air, and El Al flying in side by side with AA!! Maybe one day!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geaux Tigers
    That's mostly because Dallas-Ft. Worth isn't seen as a major international destination. Your average European isn't clamering to come to America and see Dallas.
    That's because they've already seen Dallas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geaux Tigers
    That's mostly because Dallas-Ft. Worth isn't seen as a major international destination. Your average European isn't clamering to come to America and see Dallas. They want to come here and see New York, LA, and Miami. Sure, we've got all the business class passengers you can fit onto a plane, but, unfortunatley, that still doesn't justify more international flights. That, and DFW is also seen as a very difficult airport to change planes, unless you're flying American. Of course, that should change once the APM trains start running.

    Believe me, I'd love to see BA, Air France, Air India, Qantas, Aer Lingus, Virgin Atlantic, Swiss Air, Japan Air, and El Al flying in side by side with AA!! Maybe one day!!!!
    But first, the Wright Amendment needs to go.

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    Technology might make DFW more of an international destination. Planes capable of a nonstop 20 hour flight are still pretty fresh, right?

    AA has stated it plans to put more expansion effort into international destinations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geaux Tigers
    Believe me, I'd love to see BA, Air France, Air India, Qantas, Aer Lingus, Virgin Atlantic, Swiss Air, Japan Air, and El Al flying in side by side with AA!! Maybe one day!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by TexasTiny
    But first, the Wright Amendment needs to go.
    Huh? Are you saying that those international players should fly into Love Field? The Wright Amendment may have its problems, but I don't see it as an impediment to international carriers flying into D/FW. Love is much better suited to be a domestic airport, IMHO.

    I wonder if other countries' carriers will take D/FW more seriously once it has a direct connection with the cities' business centers? Maybe LRT to Big D and a direct rail connection to FW would make the Europeans feel more at home.
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    I have been to London twice on British Airways direct from DFW to Gatwick and recently flew on Lufthansa direct from DFW to Frankfurt. Every time the plane was full- not an empty seat to be had. I certainly think DFW can support more international flights... And don't forget- Air France used to have a daily flight to Paris but they pulled out several years ago.

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    I think that once the International Terminal D is open for business, the number of international flights/carriers at DFW will increase significantly.

    Does anyone know how many of the gates at Terminal D have already been leased by international carriers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertB
    Huh? Are you saying that those international players should fly into Love Field? The Wright Amendment may have its problems, but I don't see it as an impediment to international carriers flying into D/FW. Love is much better suited to be a domestic airport, IMHO.

    I wonder if other countries' carriers will take D/FW more seriously once it has a direct connection with the cities' business centers? Maybe LRT to Big D and a direct rail connection to FW would make the Europeans feel more at home.
    Getting rid of the Wright Amendment could possibly open up more airports that can be used as normal airports. We can have more airlines and more competition. Some of those airlines that could come to the Metroplex could be international carriers. AA and DFW needs some competition. It'll be better for the consumers to have competition between multiple airports and airlines.. We can have DFW, Love, Meachem, Alliance, Addison

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasTiny
    Getting rid of the Wright Amendment could possibly open up more airports that can be used as normal airports. We can have more airlines and more competition. Some of those airlines that could come to the Metroplex could be international carriers. AA and DFW needs some competition. It'll be better for the consumers to have competition between multiple airports and airlines.. We can have DFW, Love, Meachem, Alliance, Addison
    Well, I'm all for more competition for AA, but I don't think the Wright Amendment is the real issue. Yes, it's stupid and outdated, but not the issue.

    The real problem in getting more international carriers is the lack of international O&D passengers out of DFW. Other carriers look at DFW and obviously see it as AA's main hub. However, when you look at where AA routes the majority of its international flights, they aren't routed through DFW. The vast majority of AA's international flights are routed through MIA, ORD, LAX, and JFK. What do these cities/airports have over DFW? In my opinion, nothing. But, in AA's opinion, those cities have more international O&D passengers, therefore that's where most of the international carriers fly as well.

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    I know Asia is the "new" marketplace and I hope DFW Airport is able to maximize its presence in Asian airports, but I'd prefer to see DFW Airport the primary air travel point of entry from Latin and South America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamtagon
    I know Asia is the "new" marketplace and I hope DFW Airport is able to maximize its presence in Asian airports, but I'd prefer to see DFW Airport the primary air travel point of entry from Latin and South America.
    I think it runs a pretty strong second already. However, it will be VERY difficult to steal that distinction from Miami.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Mbala
    However, it will be VERY difficult to steal that distinction from Miami.
    No doubt, but I think DFW has underdeveloped visitation channels which could be bundled into a unified campaign to attract more visitors to DFW from the South.

    - As more Latin imigrants settle in DFW (possibly the greatest % of the population increase from migration), the family ties to the country of origin will demand more pervasive destination distribution.
    - As a business center, DFW has expanded beyond a regional scope of influence. Partenership between DFW and Latin & South American operations could promise more opportunity and balance.
    - DFW, Dallas in particular, is becoming more of a pleasure destination, and can easily increase market share, even if only through novelty interest. The historical presence of Spanish speaking cultures helps.
    - DFW is less expensive than other major American cities.


    With the right approach, I think the metroplex could be presented to Latin and South America in such a way that DFW Airport becomes the dominant point of entry.

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    I'd LOVE to see DFW become the Heathrow of north America in terms of international flights. Right now, I think the closest comparison would be JFK. But, for that to happen, American is going to have to loosen it's grip on DFW just a little! Obviously, BA has a huge stronghold at LHR, but they also allow competition from all over the world through the airport. The other thing that needs to happen is for AA to start funneling more of its international flights through DFW, instead of LAX, ORD, JFK, and MIA.

    In my humble opinion, DFW is the most under-utilized major airport in the world!
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    Note: JAL has signed on to resume service to the airport as soon as the new terminal is built. They are building a lounge in Terminal D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F4shionablecHa0s
    Note: JAL has signed on to resume service to the airport as soon as the new terminal is built. They are building a lounge in Terminal D.
    Where did you hear this? Was it in the news? If its true, that's awesome news!!

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    A lot of the American Airlines - South America/Latin America/Caribbean flights go through Miami. But that is a really terrible airport, and I don't see how it could be improved...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lakewooder
    A lot of the American Airlines - South America/Latin America/Caribbean flights go through Miami. But that is a really terrible airport, and I don't see how it could be improved...
    After the international terminal is open, I wonder if AA will shift Latin & South American connections from Miami to DFW, keeping Caribbean connections in Miami. Delta just made Hartsfield-Jackson a "Super Hub" by adding 100 more flights a day out of Atlanta - if that works for Delta ($$), AA would might consider the move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F4shionablecHa0s
    Note: JAL has signed on to resume service to the airport as soon as the new terminal is built. They are building a lounge in Terminal D.
    That is GREAT news! Has anyone here flown JAL? It's one of the best experiences I've ever head travelling ever period ever. Wow.

    Now I just need to save up money. It'd be great if they were cheap as well as amazing.

    But wow. Awesome news.

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    ^Now if DFW officals can just convince KLM/Royal Dutch to start passenger service from Amsterdam. That would be cool!
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