Cant find anything downtown less than 1400 a mo for 1 bedroom...
Well if y'all haven't noticed already there has been a pretty big building boom of apartment projects in the last year due to high demand for apartments. Well a slow down to a more stable pace might be on the horizon instead of the break neck pace we have been seeing as of late.
The North Texas apartment boom hit a bump in the first quarter.
Net apartment leasing fell by 270 units in the first three months of 2012.
It was the first such decline in more than two years.
The drop in apartment demand came as sales of preowned homes in the area rose by about 20 percent.
"I don’t think one quarter of slight resident loss should be viewed as a big deal, especially when demand in first quarter usually is pretty mild anyway," said Greg Willett, vice president with apartment analyst MPF Research "The job numbers still look good, and a comeback for the for-sale housing sector actually could drive them higher."...
The first quarter decline in apartment rentals ends a long streak of strong demand for rental housing in the D-FW area.
Since the start of 2010, net apartment leasing in North Texas has added up to almost 40,000 units, according to Carrollton-based MPF Research.
And in the fourth quarter of 2011 alone, apartment occupancies in the D-FW were up by almost 3,000 rental units.
Willett said most of the first quarter declines in leasing occurred in the northern suburbs...
Currently there are more than 12,000 new apartments in the construction pipeline in North Texas – more than double the number a year earlier. And developers are rushing to start more projects.
"We’re not overbuilding yet," Willett said. "If there’s a red flag there anywhere, it’s that the new construction shouldn’t be built assuming that we’re going to sustain 5 percent to 6 percent annual rent growth."
Apartment rents in the D-FW area were up by an average of 4.5 percent in the first quarter compared to a year earlier, MPF Research reports....
Overall occupancy is currently 93.1 percent – up one and a half percentage points from first quarter 2011.
Only 1,300 new apartments opened their doors in the D-FW area during the first quarter.
Cant find anything downtown less than 1400 a mo for 1 bedroom...
Last edited by ayomateo; 08 August 2013 at 11:27 PM.
Sky high? In 2009, I was paying $1200 in Downtown Austin....for an efficiency.
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I understand your frustration. Those of us who could barely afford downtown are being pushed to the outskirts. At the same time, people that I never imagined would want to move downtown are starting to consider it and actually doing it. Eventually there will be enough supply on Main St to balance out these price increases, but until then, I would suggest you check out the Continental when it opens next year. Otherwise, maybe it's time to check out Deep Ellum or the Cedars, East Dallas, Design District or Oak Cliff.
What is the reason for the hike from 900 to 1400? Quite a jump.
Might try The Kirby too. I know I looked at a unit on Penthouse level that had assigned parking spot (other units aren't offered assigned parking) and they were willing to drop lease price from $1700 to 1600 at that time. So you might try to negotiating with properties for reduced pricing. Or concessions.
I know the units listed above are above your $900, but come fairly close to that price.
All the buildings downtown are raising rents quite a bit, so the buildings affordable in the past are still pretty high. It shows there's a demand for downtown living, but the supply has dried up lately. For several years we had hundreds of units coming online every year keeping competition high and rates lower.
^It's probably time to dust-off all those big ideas about downtown Dallas that got put on hold by the three years of recession. We just might see the downtown residential inventory double in four years. It's a cinch that as soon as most of those big, old, outdated office building are converted and put back into use - and many are slated to be resident oriented - that the parking lots will begin to disappear. How long until the downtown TIF programs expire? After the municipal contribution requirement that a % of units are 'affordable' are out of the mix, I would few new downtown residential projects will offer inexpensive choices.
I think the simple explanation is you have plenty of high paying jobs downtown and not enough supply so the supply naturally targets the people with deep pockets first. It's not so much the street life as not having to deal with a car and instead being able to walk/take the train to the office and the convenience of being able to run home during the work day.
There is a low inventory
Last edited by ayomateo; 08 August 2013 at 11:28 PM.
Manor House still has decent apartments but their parking is valet, so it's an extra $125/mo. They also don't have a gym. 1 Bedrooms are going for $1075. I just checked.
Don't the developers who did Arts Apartments also own the surface lot directly across the street from it?
it cost between 2K and 6K per surface lot space excluding land cost...it cost from 12K to 20K for a parking garage above ground and more for one that is partially or all the way below ground so right there for a single parking space per unit you are at 10K more per space at a min for small lots that need a garage that 10K is 500 per year over 20 years which is $40 per month more in rent without any borrowing or interest cost, maintenance cost, developer profits, and on and on.......and that is on the cheapest side for a garage.....you are easily looking at $100 more per month just for a single parking space so a unit with 2 spaces will easily be 200 more per month VS apartments with surface parking and probably more
development cost.....once you go over about 7 stories high your cost per unit rises dramatically......and on a small lot that is expensive per square foot that needs to have parking with or without a garage you will start getting over 7 stories pretty quick to get enough units to spread the cost of the land and other things around
so for a 1K sqft apartment with two garage parking spaces, on a very expensive piece of downtown land, with a building over 7+ stories high you are easily going to be looking at 40 dollars more per square foot of apartment that is 40K per unit for 1,000 sqft / 20 years = $166 more per month and probably a great deal more when you add in finance cost, developer profits, and the like.....add in land cost and you are looking at easily $200 more per month and probably $300 more per month at the min for developing the same number of apartments downtown VS somewhere with cheaper land, surface parking, and 3 to 5 stories in height
so you are looking at a 33% increase in rent just for the vanity living of living downtown......anyone that has that type of money for vanity living will not be looking at simple fixtures like you would find in your average 3 story suburban apartments.....so add in more per sqft in finish cost.......then the fact that when demand is good and developers can actually take advantage of the fact that there people that will pay 33% to 45% more for vanity living well you might as well make all you can off of them and bump the rents up to 50%+ what it would cost to live somewhere else for the same size apartment.........suddenly you go from $1,000 a month rents to $1,600 per month rents if the developer actually wants to make any decent money on their investment
and unlike many on this forum think there are just not that many people in dallas or the DFW metromess that are willing to pay $400 to $600 more in rent for vanity and there are even less that will pay that in rent when they can pay that in a mortgage and actually have ownership of something down the road and more than likely be as close if not closer to their place of employment since downtown dallas is 27%+ vacant and the massive amount of growth for jobs is in the northern areas of the metromess
Does Downtown Dallas do a demographic profile of the downtown renter, not owning resident? My guess would be late 20's - early 30's, well above average income but not a great credit score, little or negative net worth, unmarried, does not work downtown, and anticipates moving maybe to other region within 2 years. Owners would likely be the flip side of these metrics except having a much higher income.
I am sure the developers know exactly how many people fit the profile, whatever it is. It is obvious that they do not see many people in the mix and collectively are only bringing enough product to market that equals the natural increase in this sliver as overall region increases.
Urban or suburban, 30-year mortgages, no matter how cheap they may seem, do have costs. Along with that 30-year mortgage is the assumption, that your marriage will last 30-years and beyond. Ownership, or as immediate as possible ownership (10 or 15 year mortgage), can be a great thing. And on that note, I understand why people do move further out. The houses are cheaper. I am not sure you will be able to find a decent $150K home in Plano any more. Cheaper new homes are not usually found in the north, they are usually found in the east.
People that live the suburbs are not necessarily living their because work is close. I have met people that for example live in Kennedale, but work in Frisco. When I grew up in Allen, I knew a lot of kids whose parents worked for EDS, JCPenney and Nortel. Two of those companies are gone, and one has or will reduce its corporate office significantly. Of course this was during the 90s when everybody was feeling good and thought nothing could go wrong, and the most pressing issue of the day was what the definition of "is" was.
We are likely to see more apartments - whether urban or surburban - because of uncertainty, and people are waiting longer to get married. Yes, people may end up in the suburb to raise of family, but women are kinda in charge of that. As women outnumber men in college, women are not seeking MRS degrees. Instead of marrying at 24 or 25, it may be 34 or 35, and kids even a couple years later than that. That 10-12 year postpone is enough time to affect everything from real estate to how SSA is funded etc.
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New study: Dallas-Fort Worth job boom means demand for apartments should meet new supply
By Steve Brown
9:44 am on April 24, 2013
Dallas-Fort Worth leads the country in apartment construction.
With almost 23,000 units in the development pipeline, apartment building totals in North Texas are now past where they were before the recession.
And so far, there’s no sign that builders plan to cut back on starts.
While this might have been a problem right before the recession hit, with the current economic growth in the area, analysts at Marcus & Millichap Real Estate Investment Services said D-FW should be able to handle the thousands of new apartments that will open in the next couple of years.
Dallas/Fort Worth’s economy will stage another impressive performance in 2013 as the region’s relative affordability lures new residents, and relocating and expanding companies,” the commercial property firm writes in a new report. “With job creation expected throughout the economy, apartment demand will strengthen across the quality spectrum.”
Indeed, job growth in the D-FW area is currently among the strongest in the nation.
For the 12-month period ending with March, employment in North Texas rose by 101,000 jobs. That’s the best performance in more than a decade. For 2012, D-FW created more than 83,000 jobs – behind only New York in Houston in total economic growth.
^ The one that stands out to me is Oak Lawn/Park Cities: Why are rents so high (and increasingly dramatically) if occupancy is so low?
North Texas leads the country in apartment building, with 22,837 units under construction — the highest local building total since the first quarter of 2009, according to MPF Research. “There’s no sign yet of construction slowdown, but you’d think — hope — the market is close to leveling off in starts,” said MPF Research’s Jay Parsons. “Dallas-Fort Worth is one of only a handful of markets nationally where apartment development has already topped historic norms.”
By what measure or standard is it lagging?
^ Thanks! That's very clear and quite helpful!
Dallas-area housing market hits an all-time high in first half of 2013
Local pre-owned home sales in the first half of this year are running more than 20 percent higher than in the same period of 2012. They’ve set a North Texas sales record for a six-month period.
“In the last 12 months, the D-FW area created 104,600 net new jobs — that’s a lot of jobs,” Jones said. “In that same period, the total residential permits issued in this area were 34,720.
“We could have built twice as many homes and apartments and not overbuilt this market.”
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