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CTroyMathis
27 March 2004, 06:40 PM
The windfall on the lake
Grapevine expects ripple effect from new resort
04:27 PM CST on Saturday, March 27, 2004


By MARICE RICHTER / The Dallas Morning News

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/032804dnmetgaylordmain.2733c.html

GRAPEVINE – When Sylvia Helton bought a women's clothing boutique 18 months ago on Main Street in downtown Grapevine, she had no experience running a small business. But she did have hope that an economic bonanza was about to hit Grapevine.

Between her own inexperience and the economic fallout of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Ms. Helton's first year in business was rocky. But she prevailed and expanded Ooh La La's space and inventory in the last few months.

Ms. Helton expects her efforts to pay dividends when the sprawling $480 million Gaylord Texan Resort & Convention Center on Lake Grapevine opens Friday, ushering in an economic tidal wave that is expected to affect Grapevine in countless ways.

"I bought this business because I knew Gaylord was coming," Ms. Helton said. "I expanded to serve all the extra people that are supposed to come.

"Now I'm just waiting."

Gaylord Texan's reach will go way beyond Ms. Helton's shop and the other Main Street merchants. Among those expected to benefit: nearby hotels, golf courses, beauty salons, Grapevine Mills mall, Bass Pro Shops, business suppliers, the Grapevine Vintage Railroad and city coffers.

"I think of it as an onion," said John Imaizumi, senior vice president and general manager of Gaylord Texan. "When you peel a layer, you find another way someone or something in this community is going to benefit."

Grapevine city officials expect Gaylord Texan to pay more than $8 million in taxes in the first year, including about $2 million in property tax, $4 million in sales tax and $2.2 million in hotel occupancy tax.

Gaylord officials predict the resort will pump millions of dollars into the local economy in the first year, including $36 million in salaries for employees and $27 million in purchases of goods and services by the resort.





Spinoff spending


Those figures don't include the millions of dollars that tourists and conventioneers are expected to spend in local shops, restaurants and other businesses.

"The prospect of having 600,000 people a mile or two from downtown Grapevine in the next 12 months presents a great opportunity from a retail perspective," said Pat Fairchild, president of the Historic Downtown Grapevine Association and owner of the Pueblo Connection, a Southwestern art and jewelry store.

Besides merchants, city officials have spent years anticipating and preparing for Gaylord Texan's opening. The resort is expected to make Grapevine a major tourism destination and to significantly shape the city's landscape.

Grapevine officials recognized that when Gaylord first came courting about six years ago.

Gaylord Entertainment Co., based in Nashville, Tenn., was looking for sites in the Dallas-Fort Worth area to build a resort similar to its Opryland in Nashville.

Gaylord officials liked the location on Grapevine Lake and the proximity to Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport, said Grapevine City Council member Clydene Johnson. Gaylord representatives were also drawn to the city's historical downtown and hometown feeling.

The City Council created a tax-increment financing district, known as a TIF, to pay for road and utility improvements at the Gaylord property. The TIF funnels property tax revenue from the new buildings into a fund to pay for road and utility improvements, officials said.

At a groundbreaking in June 2000, the complex was expected to be built on 77 acres, cost $400 million and open in August 2003.





Delays, higher costs


But then came Sept. 11, 2001.

The terrorist attacks stymied financing and investment across the country, leaving Gaylord officials to find another way to pay for the project. Gaylord Entertainment sold some of its other holdings to pay for the resort, officials said.

Gaylord Texan, which sits on about 150 acres of lakefront property, will be more elaborate than originally anticipated because an $11 million entertainment facility has been added.

"We've spent the last four years planning and preparing for this," said P.W. McCallum, executive director of the Grapevine Convention and Visitors Bureau. "We are ready."

With 400,000 square feet of meeting and exhibit space, Gaylord Texan is expected to draw conventions of 5,000 to 10,000 people – a vast difference from the sales and training meetings of 25 to 500 people traditionally held at Grapevine's Convention Center and other hotels.

Gaylord Texan's sales team has already booked about 500 groups for about 750,000 room nights during the next seven years.

The resort is expected to host about 600,000 visitors a year. Many are expected to venture off the property and into downtown Grapevine, Grapevine Mills and Bass Pro Shops Outdoor World via the eight trolleys that the resort has purchased to transport guests around the city.

City officials expect that the visitors will mean more business for shops and restaurants in Grapevine, more chartered Tarantula train trips between downtown Grapevine and the Fort Worth Stockyards and more shows at the Grapevine Opry.

And over the long run, Gaylord Texan could mean even grander changes for Grapevine.





Working artists


"We expect to see a lot more upscale shops and uniquely themed restaurants move in," Mr. McCallum said. "We'll probably see more art galleries, perhaps with working artists."

Undoubtedly, downtown Grapevine will grow, officials said. City officials are talking to developers about building a mixed-use development downtown that will contain loft apartments, retail shops and commercial office space in downtown.

Vacant land on the outskirts of downtown is expected to be bought, and more upscale hotels built, to handle the overflow of conventioneers.

"There is an avalanche of possibilities for the downtown area," said Mayor William D. Tate. "I imagine we'll see a lot of it play out with the opening of Gaylord. This is a very exciting time for us."


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Complex embodies Texana
04:32 PM CST on Saturday, March 27, 2004


By BRANDON FORMBY / The Dallas Morning News

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/032804dnmetgaylordtheme.223c7.html



GRAPEVINE – The Rio Grande runs through it, Sam Houston has his own room, and a lone star looms large above winding pathways cut between lush landscaping. The Gaylord Texan Resort & Convention Center on Lake Grapevine is aptly named, as its recurring theme boasts undeniable Lone Star influence.

"The primary goal was to try and create Texas vernacular so the guests, when they come to this area, really feel they are experiencing everything about Texas," said Brenda Geoghagan, Gaylord Texan's senior director of interior design and purchasing.

The hotel's designers, architects and landscape architects delved deep into Texas history, culture and lore during the planning process. Most work for companies based in other states. The resort's parent company, Gaylord Entertainment, is based in Nashville, Tenn.

To get a feel for Texas, a team toured the state with Bob Phillips, who hosts Texas Country Reporter. The TV show travels the state's back roads to bring viewers glimpses of Texas life and personality.

Mark Weaver is a partner in Hnedak Bobo Group, the chief architecture firm for Gaylord Texan. Mr. Weaver said the trip inspired the team with ideas.

"From that, we came up with a concept of the biggest ranch in Texas," Mr. Weaver said. "That's what the Gaylord guys wanted this to be."

They wove through several regions and cities, including the Hill Country, Luckenbach, Austin, San Antonio and West Texas.

"We were just trying to create that Texas design experience and pay homage to all the different regions," Ms. Geoghagan said.





State of mind


The resort's three atriums – Hill Country, Lone Star and Riverwalk – represent different times and geography. Mission Plaza in the Lone Star Atrium, with its Alamo-like facade, resembles the stucco structures that still dot the state's landscape.

"That was supposed to express the early colonization days when Texas was a country unto itself," Ms. Geoghagan said.

An 80-foot gold star tops the atrium's 2-inch-thick glass roof. A bell tower stands tall above a terrace, which overlooks the Rio Grande replica. Mosaic tables line the waterfront in the Riverwalk Atrium.

Stone fountains and fireplaces dot the property. Stars are everywhere – in the carpet, on the balconies and above doorways. There's the Yellow Rose Ballroom and the Old Hickory steakhouse. Boardrooms are modeled after the state Capitol.

But the design teams didn't just want to replicate Texas elements. They wanted to tell a story.

"The oil derrick column pays homage to the industry that made Texas great at the turn of the century," Ms. Geoghagan said.

The river re-creation runs throughout the property and winds its way through the three atriums.

Ms. Geoghagan said the aquatic features signify the importance of water in supporting livestock and crops.





Living the legends


Nine upgraded suites are namesakes of Texas legends.

The Davy Crockett suite features raccoon skin pillows. Jim Bowie, known as a riverboat gambler, has a map of the mighty Mississippi River hanging in his suite.

"We've collected books that tell the history of the suite we're emulating," Ms. Geoghagan said. "Hopefully, by the time guests leave, they'll have an appreciation for that particular hero."

The regular guest rooms feature three design schemes, coordinated with their location on the property.

Hill Country rooms flaunt rustic colors accented with copper and bronze metals.

Riverwalk rooms feature more vibrant colors set against gold granite. Their red tones are supposed to imitate Texas sunsets. Lone Star rooms re-create the homes of ranch owners with marbled entryways and bathrooms.

Ms. Geoghagan hopes the attention to detail creates a distinct Lone Star experience for visitors.

"I hope they walk away with a sense that we were able to capture under one roof some of the architecture features that are significant to Texas," she said.

gc
28 March 2004, 02:44 PM
Newest Gaylord resort-convention center opens Friday
02:50 PM CST on Saturday, March 27, 2004
By SUZANNE MARTA / The Dallas Morning News
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/032804dnbizgaylord.3f839.html

GRAPEVINE – A few cracked tiles and burned-out lightbulbs need replacing. And the last of the furnishings and supplies stored in the exhibit hall need to be put in place.

But for the most part, the Gaylord Texan Resort & Convention Center on Lake Grapevine is ready to greet its first paying guests when it opens for business Friday.

The $480 million hotel complex is expected to be a convention juggernaut, with its 1,500-plus rooms and 400,000 square feet of meeting space.

Dallas hoteliers and tourism marketers say the Gaylord Texan will bring more attention, and bookings, to the area over the long run. But right now, it's being described as the "giant sucking sound to the west," given its aggressive sales efforts.

Gaylord Texan officials say the hotel has already booked enough business to reach 69 percent occupancy this year and exceed 80 percent occupancy in 2005. That compares with a rate of 52.2 percent for Dallas-area hotels in 2003, and that's expected to improve only modestly in 2004.

The Gaylord Texan is the third convention hotel for Gaylord Entertainment Co. The first is the original 2,800-room complex in Nashville, Tenn., and there is one similar to the Texan's size near Orlando, Fla. Analysts say the new facility will strengthen Gaylord's ability to attract multiyear contracts from groups that want to meet in different regions of the country. A fourth hotel-convention complex is planned for Washington, D.C.

The Gaylord Texan is expected to be an aggressive competitor nationally, drawing meetings that might otherwise go anywhere from Atlanta to Houston.

"We're very bullish on our strategy," says Jay Sevigny, chief operating officer for the Gaylord Hotels division.

After years of extensive sales and marketing efforts, the Grapevine hotel has booked events as far out as 2012. But before the first guests can check in, construction crews and a workforce of 1,300 are scrambling to put finishing touches on the hotel.

"This is the stage, but the stage doesn't create the experience," says John Imaizumi, Gaylord Texan's general manager. "We have to gear up so everyone knows where to stand and what the script is."



'Changing so fast'

Mr. Imaizumi pauses briefly to pick up a stray scrap of paper on the floor outside his office, noting that everyone at the hotel must be ready to do housekeeping and security.

"At one point, I thought about getting a pedometer," he says, briskly making his rounds through the massive 4-acre atrium. "Everything is changing so fast."

This is Mr. Imaizumi's sixth hotel opening. "If I hadn't gone through this several times, I might be more worried," he says.

Work crews populate the hotel, finishing countless projects.

Several tall street lamps in the main atrium are being replaced by ground lights hidden by plants – a last-minute change to make it easier for guests to see their way to Mission Plaza, whose faηade resembles the Alamo.

Near the Texan Station sports bar, several plants have been replaced with larger ones so guests won't be tempted to step through them to get closer to the railing overlooking a mini-river that flows through the hotel atrium.

"There will be things that we tweak again in a month," Mr. Imaizumi says. "But there's nothing that needs to be done that would prevent us from opening."

The Gaylord Texan has been hosting employee friends and family as guests for overnight stays to test the hotel's restaurants and services. Front desk clerks are practicing their welcome spiels and how to operate the computer system while maintaining eye contact. And they're memorizing where guest rooms are located so they can offer clear directions through the sprawling complex.

One hint: Odd-numbered rooms face the hotel atrium, and even-numbered ones face Lake Grapevine.

"It can be confusing," says Justin Clemente, who will work the front desk. "When the guests arrive, we have to be able to tell them which way to go so they won't get lost."



5,000 meals ahead

Back in the convention center's banquet services kitchen, executive chef Ty Thoren keeps an energetic pace.

"You want to try something?" he asks, holding out a shot glass filled with lobster meat and roasted tomato sauce. "I'm just trying to do everything out of the box."

Even though the hotel hasn't opened, Mr. Thoren's crew has already served more than 5,000 meals. A recent luncheon for 250 people suddenly exploded to 750, requiring fast work by the kitchen staff.

"It's great practice for us," Mr. Thoren said.

Mr. Thoren worked the last 11 years as the regional corporate chef for management firm Interstate Hotels and signed on with Gaylord in order to spend fewer days on the road.

The job presses him to be creative. He's collaborating with a supplier to make a Texas star-shaped waffle iron for breakfast events. On his desk is a list of Gaylord Texan-theme messages to use in fortune cookies during Asian-style buffets.

Assembly line stations have been set up so his crew can dish up food for 3,000 people in just over an hour.

"At a place this big, you have to be very smart about how you do things," Mr. Thoren says. "The key is for the food to be fresh."

On most of his 13-hour days, he shuttles between developing menus with potential banquet clients and working with his crew to make sure the dishes maintain a consistent look.

"There are so many sous-chefs, and each has their own style," Mr. Thoren says. "Every day, we're refining things."

The mantra of consistent service echoes throughout hotel departments.

"Everyone needs to be well-informed so the customer has a good experience," Martha Neibling says while leading the way through the "back of the house" – underground hallways used by the staff. "We can do 99 things right, but the customer will remember the one thing we did wrong."

Ms. Neibling oversees the Texan's internal communications, organizing employee events and newsletters to keep the workforce in sync. It's seen as a critical role in keeping turnover low and morale strong.

"Get ready to start clapping. We've got a promotion," she calls to employees during a recent lunch hour while ringing a cowbell.

A few moments later, John Emmett, general manager at the Texas Station sports bar, rounds the corner pulling his new assistant in a cowboy-theme rickshaw.

The brightly lit cafeteria erupts in applause.



Last-minute checks

In another part of the hotel, Vicki Clark, the Gaylord Texan's horticulture manager, strides to the atrium before an urgent phone call diverts her to the Old Hickory Steakhouse.

"That's how it is all day," she says with a sigh. "I start doing one thing and have to stop in the middle to check on something else."

On the lower level of the winding steakhouse, there's a piano that doubles as a player piano when a musician isn't available. The problem is, there's no convenient electrical source, and power cords don't exactly fit with the decor.

"We could always paint the cord so it blends in," Ms. Clark offers.

Larry Slawter, who supervises Ms. Clark's interior horticulture team, jots notes as she points to spots that need potted plants.

The exercise center could use large screening plants because the shutters won't arrive in time for the opening, and "people on the treadmill aren't going to want to be watching the people drinking margaritas," she jokes.

Outside the pool area, she points to a wide wall area that needs something tall and wide. The hot tub also needs plants to screen it from passers-by.

"After we open, we'll want something to grow on this trellis, but for now, we'll just do a screen," Ms. Clark says.

Since the hotel's original plan was crafted, the number of potted plants indoors has grown by 50 percent – mostly shifting from spots in the atrium.

Before Ms. Clark leaves, crews have been dispatched to put the plants in place. She'll make a similar route later, mapping where fresh floral arrangements will go.

"I sat down for 10 minutes today to eat lunch, and that's it," Ms. Clark says. "It's been like that every day for the last two weeks. But once we're open, we're open."

E-mail smarta@dallasnews.com

sterling
21 April 2004, 02:10 AM
Any upshot after the opening of this megaplex? At the risk of offending all those cosmopolitan-ish Dallasites, I'd love to see something like it connected to the Dallas Convention Center. Not neccesarily the kitschy take-offs on the Alamo or Riverwalk, but the FUN "Texas-style" playground aspect of it. Southwest-ish furniture and cowhide in a HUGE rambling multi-story hacienda. It could still be very modern/contemporary (Legoretta comes to mind) and still make a regional statement. An "only in Texas" handcrafted sort of feel. The "larger than life" aspect of the Anatole also comes to mind (though with different design approaches). I think even out-of-town Texans expect a little of that in Dallas, cosmopolitan or not. And it would have a definite warmer more human feel than another Oz-like Hyatt. Something visitors could actually FEEL something about. I think Dallas designers would love making this kind of trans-vernacular statement rise above the usual expectations.

rantanamo
21 April 2004, 03:27 AM
^I was thinking the same thing about a convention center hotel. Would like it outdoors instead of a large indoor atrium. Like integrating its own streetscapes into the grid of the city to connect to the rest of downtown. I would guess land prices and uncooperative landowners who'd rather wait for another 80s highrise boom would be the problems.

sterling
21 April 2004, 03:35 AM
I think it's time for the uncooperative owners to do the right thing. But I guess that would be a "first".

rantanamo
21 April 2004, 03:47 AM
Maybe if you lied to them and told them it would be for the world's largest parking lot it might work.

sterling
21 April 2004, 05:04 PM
Maybe a resort hotel with the "parking theme" approach. People staying in abandoned cars and old buses converted into suites. A swimming pool lined with asphalt... Distinct possibilities. You could certainly have weekly, monthly and daytime rates. Something for everyone!

mikedsjr
21 April 2004, 06:40 PM
Sterling,

I would think it as a great idea. Visitors don't want Cosmo when they come to Texas. They want Stetsons, Blue Jeans and Skoal. Ok maybe not Blue Jeans.

sterling
21 April 2004, 06:55 PM
I personally am not wild about Skoal. And teaching people how to aim at a spitoon is definitely an art that can take a lifetime to perfect (I base that on my brother's lifelong challenge). I don't envy the housecleaning crew for example. But if it will bring in a few bucks I guess I can handle it. I think "chaw" is a definite contender for a product with a "Dallas" brand. NOW WITH 80% MORE BROWN STAINING INGREDIENTS!

sterling
21 April 2004, 06:56 PM
Dallas: Chew It Up And Spit It Out!

F4shionablecHa0s
21 April 2004, 07:05 PM
Wow. This place is open? I heard absolutely nothing about it.

I hate to say it, but this is one DFW business I wouldn't mind seeing go under. Welcome to Dallas! Here! Buy something with an armadillo on it!

sterling
22 April 2004, 04:12 AM
Adolphus - real fancy
Farimont - fairly fancy
Adam's Mark - nice enough I guess
Crescent - real fancy
Ritz-Carlton - assume it's gonna be real fancy
Hyatt - techno-fancy
smaller older hotels - don't know... you?
Hampton Inn - don't know. suspect rather modest
Eureka - suspect rather nice
Anything handcrafted or Texas-y yet nice?

Why let Grapevine trump Dallas? Downtown Dallas potentially FAR more interesting than Grapevine, but rather COLD in my opinion. Quite enough snob appeal readily available to hotel guests. Any other spectrums available?

CTroyMathis
23 April 2004, 03:29 AM
trans-vernacular in downtown Dallas
^dig that, sterling. :)

tamtagon
23 April 2004, 01:33 PM
I hope Gaylord Texan is wildly successful and prompts similar lake side developments in the metroplex. Giant hotel/convention venues like this adds to the overall offering of the area. In fact, resorts like Gaylord Texan could educate visitors on the natural beauty of North Texas - counteracting the widely held perception that Dallas is flat and ugly. I guess it's not entirely out of the question that resort of similar magnitude could be developed adjacent to what ever Trinity River Park becomes.

JBB
23 April 2004, 01:46 PM
Wow. This place is open? I heard absolutely nothing about it.


Then you obviously didn't read any newspapers or watch local news stations the week it opened. It would have been next to impossible to miss.

mikedsjr
23 April 2004, 02:58 PM
I guess it's not entirely out of the question that resort of similar magnitude could be developed adjacent to what ever Trinity River Park becomes.


I'm not quite sure that putting a hotel in the middle of the floodplains is the best thing to do, unless its on stilts. :)

I will be skeptical that anything will look good beside the river until Dallas is finished with the River Project for us to be able to definitely say one way or the other. Fort Worth has a greater chance of being able to do that and only because their masterplans are further along than Dallas'. But hopefully things will work out for Dallasites.

tamtagon
23 April 2004, 07:01 PM
I'm not quite sure that putting a hotel in the middle of the floodplains is the best thing to do, unless its on stilts. :)

I was thinking more of the area being considered for the new stadium.

Also, isnt one objective of the TRP plan to take the flood out of the plain (as much as possible....) with fancy control measures?

gc
19 November 2004, 12:48 AM
^ Has anyone stayed at the Gaylord or been to the facililties?

I have heard it is a phenonominal place!

F4shionablecHa0s
19 November 2004, 12:57 AM
I went. Very very VERY tacky.

Wineguy2000
19 November 2004, 01:23 AM
I spent a night there in July. Way overpriced. Fake stone and fake wood. THe river walk is a joke(indoors and tiny) and the fake Alamo almost made me sick. Rooms run around $300 a night and we got room service 2 sandwichs 2 desserts 2 cokes
= $50. The sports bar was the only cool place there. Felt like Vegas.

texman
19 November 2004, 01:32 AM
^ Has anyone stayed at the Gaylord or been to the facililties?

I have heard it is a phenonominal place!

Had a friend stay there with her dad for a "mini vacation." She said there were parking lot speed limit signs posted everywhere with a random 17mph on them.

drumguy8800
19 November 2004, 01:34 AM
They do that at Fiesta Texas too: 11 or 14 mph.. Can't remember.

Are we bashing this place because we're anti-suburban and anti-stealing-tourists-from-dallas or is this place really that bad?

texman
19 November 2004, 01:35 AM
They do that at Fiesta Texas too: 11 or 14 mph.. Can't remember.

Are we bashing this place because we're anti-suburban and anti-stealing-tourists-from-dallas or is this place really that bad?

I wasn't bashing it....

drumguy8800
19 November 2004, 01:39 AM
^ The two people above you were.

Wineguy2000
19 November 2004, 01:41 AM
Well my fiance is in the hotel biz and I am a restaurant guy so I would say that our opinions come from our professional backgrounds and not out of being anti-suburban

js
19 November 2004, 02:11 AM
A while back me and some friends snook into the employee cafeteria, and had a BIG lunch for like $3.50.

utgf
19 November 2004, 02:56 AM
I had some friends visiting from Italy last month and one day decided to take them to the Gaylord to see what it was like. It looked grand from far away, but as we approached closer I was surprised by how cheap the materials used on the facade looked. As we approached closer, my friends had no interest in going in and we left. I was still interested in seeing what the atrium looks like. But the comments so far in this thread make me think there is no reason to revisit.

js
19 November 2004, 03:04 AM
I had some friends visiting from Italy last month and one day decided to take them to the Gaylord to see what it was like. It looked grand from far away, but as we approached closer I was surprised by how cheap the materials used on the facade looked. As we approached closer, my friends had no interest in going in and we left. I was still interested in seeing what the atrium looks like. But the comments so far in this thread make me think there is no reason to revisit.

What part of the facade did you not like and or what part of the entire complex?
I work for a construction company that had some part in the construction of the exterior and I am just curious.

utgf
19 November 2004, 03:23 AM
What part of the facade did you not like and or what part of the entire complex?
I work for a construction company that had some part in the construction of the exterior and I am just curious.

I don't know if the exterior was suppose to look like limestone or not, but it just looked like concrete being colored/painted to look like something else. The structural beams toward the top. I wasn't sure if it was suppose to look like wood or rusted iron. Also, just the overall look. Is it suppose to be hill country or some sort of modern tudor? Also that big plain structure next to it, I believe it is probably the convention center, is stylistically totally disconnected from the main structure. The huge maze like parking lots where you have to pay to park. I've been to the hyatt regency hill country resort in San Antonio and that place looked really well done. Hope I didn't insult anything your company worked on, but those were my thoughts when I saw the place.

Geaux Tigers
19 November 2004, 09:53 AM
I went inside a few months ago and thought it was nicely done. Yeah, it's big and mostly fake, but so is Vegas.

Kelley USA
19 November 2004, 11:12 AM
I've been several times and was really impresed with what I saw. Let's not forget they spent $400+ million on this project. The inside is certainly better than the outside... The sports bar is great and the Stephen Pyles restaurant looked good too.

Mballar
19 November 2004, 12:34 PM
I've been there once in June, and I agree that the sports bar is impressive.

freewaytincan
19 November 2004, 01:20 PM
I went inside a few months ago and thought it was nicely done. Yeah, it's big and mostly fake, but so is Vegas.

And that makes it okay?

sterling
30 November 2004, 02:42 AM
With miles of McMansions in every conceivable rip-off of style and period, from faux-renaissance to overblown Tudor, it's amazing anyone would even NOTICE the "fakeness" of this project. Pray tell how one should describe David Schwartz' West Village pastiche a'la "Mediterranea meets All American red-brick storefronts". The examples are so numerous they don't even bear mention. With very little "great" REAL architecture to speak of, what's left except caricatures? I'm really intrigued to see it, now that it has "failed the forum test". Anybody take any pictures while sneering their way through?

Geaux Tigers
30 November 2004, 10:53 AM
I get the feeling that had this project been built in Uptown, it would be the greatest hotel on the face of the planet. But, alas, it was built on a scenic point on Lake Grapevine, so it's crap.

CTroyMathis
30 November 2004, 11:10 AM
I've been waiting for some people to take some photos. As a matter of fact, I'm going to go post a thread requesting some areas I hope people can make it to for photo ops sometime in the near future. Naturally, I've seen some of the regular and small online photos/renderings - but, nothing of the scope I'd like to see.

Is there a good amount of vegetation on the grounds? If there is, I wonder if once it fills in - how much more interesting the resort would be. Overall, it seems like the place would be worthy of some good exploration...

gc
30 November 2004, 11:13 AM
I'm really intrigued to see it, now that it has "failed the forum test".

Take it easy on us here sterling. Not everyone here has dogged the place. I have never been, but outside of this forum I have nothing but wonderful things about the Gaylord Texas.....except for prices.

Columbus Civil
30 November 2004, 11:21 AM
My cousin used to work in their spa as a towel boy. We never took him up on his offer of free massages, though :\ Hopefully I can make it out there on one of my days off.

tamtagon
30 November 2004, 11:47 AM
Take it easy on us here sterling. Not everyone here has dogged the place. I have never been, but outside of this forum I have nothing but wonderful things about the Gaylord Texas.....except for prices.

I'll say this as a proud Texan: any resort hotel which tries to replicate and sell to customers the hill country environment and an Alamo replication cannot not expect to be judged by anything less than the most stringent standards. Out of state visitors may think it looks really nice, but it if doesnt please the Texans, then I think it's crap. If you want to see the Alamo, go to San Antonio.

utgf
30 November 2004, 01:53 PM
I took some friends from San Francisco to Gaylord last friday for dinner so that it would give me a chance to see the interior. The outside looks much better at night with the exterior lighting. The atrium was impressive in size and the landscaping, but the overall effect was very cheesy. Vegas without the slot machines. Couldn't wait to get out of there, so we ended up eating elsewhere. I think it is definitely something you should go see for yourself and decide. But be aware that parking is $7.

Having it in Dallas vs Grapevine would not change my opinion of the place just as with my friends from San Francisco who still have no idea that it was not in the city of Dallas. But it would have been great to have it in the city of Dallas for economic reasons. The place was packed when I went.

Same with the West Village. I personally hate the hollywood backlot look of the place but it is great as far as what it has done for Uptown and is a nice place to people watch.

I think most of us are rooting for downtown because it is the only area in Dallas with really unique architecture and only place likely to get even more unique architecture. I hope in a few years it will look as good at street level as it does from the sky.

gc
30 November 2004, 03:17 PM
^ Word.

freewaytincan
30 November 2004, 06:09 PM
If you want to see the Alamo, go to San Antonio.

Amen!

sterling
01 December 2004, 12:29 AM
OK, I took my valium. I suppose my opinions might have sounded more "dogging" than teasing. Hotels are for travellers after all, not local aesthetes. The Las Vegas comparisons are probably well founded, though Gaylord is a thousand or so rooms short of the usual Vegas mark. With all the PR of the "six flags under glass" variety, it just seems hard to believe anyone would think this was another Anatole in the making.

rantanamo
01 December 2004, 01:58 AM
If that thing was in Uptown, I think this board would have a heart attack.

drumguy8800
01 December 2004, 02:00 AM
If that thing was in Uptown, I think this board would have a heart attack.
Out of giddiness or disgust?

noelamador
01 December 2004, 02:03 AM
disgust, but then again Zaza isn't much better than a Comfort Inn

rantanamo
01 December 2004, 02:09 AM
how would you react to that huge thing and huge parking lot Uptown?

freewaytincan
01 December 2004, 02:12 AM
I can see it:

Dallas: Over one hundred people, mostly in the Dallas - Fort Worth area, were found dead at their computers early this morning. Apparently all were viewing an online forum dealing with urban planning and architecture. A collective heart attack is believed to be the cause.

noelamador
11 December 2004, 04:32 PM
Gaylord Texan has carved own niche

Rival hotels find that Gaylord Texan is more a draw than a threat

02:04 PM CST on Saturday, December 11, 2004

By SUZANNE MARTA / The Dallas Morning News

As the Gaylord Texan Resort & Convention Center was being built, local hoteliers and tourism officials nervously referred to the Grapevine behemoth as the "giant sucking sound to the west."

The Gaylord Texan in Grapevine attracts area residents with locally themed entertainment.

But less than nine months after it opened, the Gaylord complex appears to be performing well beyond its developer's expectations ? without stealing business from the competition.

"It certainly has increased the level of competition, but it's also brought more attention to the area," said Phillip Jones, chief executive of the Dallas Convention & Visitors Bureau.

"Clearly, we'd like to have all their room nights in Dallas, but in retrospect it's been a positive development for the area."

Company officials say the Gaylord Texan is doing well by almost any measure.

Occupancy was 75.7 percent during the most recent quarter ? up from analysts' expectations of 65 percent and significantly higher than that of Dallas downtown properties.

"They've brought in a lot of new business," said Greg Crown, a lodging expert with PKF Consulting in Dallas. "I don't know anyone who's not impressed with their ability to put heads in beds."

Mr. Jones estimates that room demand in Dallas rose 5.1 percent from a year ago. Occupancy was up 4.3 percent, and room revenue rose 4.2 percent.

Some Dallas hotels have even snared group meetings from customers who came to visit the $480 million Gaylord property but decided to go with something downtown instead, Mr. Jones said.

At the Wyndham Anatole in Dallas, which is similar in size to the Gaylord Texan, bookings have been looking up this year and next despite the added competition.

"Time will tell, but it doesn't appear to have had a significant impact on us," said Tom Faust, the Anatole's vice president of sales and marketing.

"The fact that they're drawing attention to Texas and the Dallas area for conventions and meetings is great for us."

Gaylord relies on groups for 80 percent of its business, a higher percentage than most hotel companies.

Although convention guests typically pay lower room rates than individual corporate travelers, the segment is also less sensitive to downturns in the economy.

Local appeal

Gaylord Entertainment Co., based in Nashville, Tenn., also boosts traffic by designing its projects to appeal to locals.

At the Gaylord Texan, an assortment of restaurants, bars and shops has been so popular with residents that the property is adding 1,200 parking spots early next year.

Local traffic has been especially robust during the last few weeks, as visitors come to see the hotel's Lone Star Christmas light display and roving entertainment.

Aiming to offset slow sales in December, when corporate travelers stay home for the holidays, Gaylord has transformed all three of its hotels into holiday-themed attractions.

"We've made it one of our busiest times of the year," said Jay Sevigny, chief operating officer for the Gaylord Hotels division.

Gaylord seeks conventions that will rotate events among its properties, a practice followed by 43 percent of its group customers, Mr. Sevigny said.

The company's first two convention and resort complexes were in the Nashville and Orlando, Fla., areas.

When the Gaylord Texan opened in April, it provided a critical third entry point to the company's offerings. A fourth location is now under construction in the Washington, D.C., area.

"We're finally at the point where we have the base that we want," Mr. Sevigny said.

Model for growth

Analysts say Gaylord's business model ? attracting groups to its sites and getting them to eat, work and have fun on premises ? will help the company outpace the industry for revenue growth.

Shares in the publicly traded company, which has other leisure, entertainment and retail holdings, have outpaced counterparts in the hotel business over the past two months.

On Friday, Gaylord stock rose 44 cents to close at $38.39.

"No one else is providing a one-stop shop convention hotel like Gaylord is," said Will Marks, an analyst with JMP Securities in San Francisco.

"They really capture the wallet of their guests because everything is right there at the hotel."

psukhu
11 December 2004, 05:11 PM
Once the LRT is built to DFW Airport and Irving, I see Gaylord Texas providing a free shuttle between the hotel and the closest rail station.