DTD | Arts District: City Performance Hall

[jsoto3]

City Performance Hall “Project Status Report” to Quality of Life Committee:

http://dallascityhall.com/committee_briefings/briefings0108/QOL_011408_PerformanceHall.pdf

[tamtagon]

City Performance Hall “Project Status Report” to Quality of Life Committee:

http://dallascityhall.com/committee_briefings/briefings0108/QOL_011408_PerformanceHall.pdf

Has the "Parking Garage Proposal" been a part of the deal all along, or a recent addition...:


The Dallas Center for the Performing Arts Foundation (DCPAF) and the Arts Magnet Building Campaign has approached the city with a proposal to build a below grade parking garage to be located under the City Performance Hall.
Proposal States:

-DCPAF will operate the garage
-Garage use priority

-Wyly Theater patrons
-Booker T. Washington High School parking needs
-General public

[dfwcre8tive]

There are some new model photos here:

http://www.som.com/content.cfm/dallas_city_performance_hall

Dallas City Performance Hall
Dallas, Texas

This welcoming village for the arts will act as an inspiring home to Dallas community theater, music, and dance companies. SOM’s design includes a multipurpose 750-seat theater, two flexible 200-seat theaters, art galleries, a café, a bookshop, an enclosed garden, and educational and meeting spaces. An elegant arcade passing through the complex will enable commuters from the nearby transit station to engage with the arts on a daily basis.

[Sky Time]

when will they break ground on it?

[cowboyeagle05]

My question is how does the facility look on the side facing Ross Avenue since there will be residences and other future development looking at the Arts District from outside the district. We don't want the Ross side to be a terrible experience since future Art District related growth will happen south of Ross in that sea of parking lots.

That is one of the issues with the property that the City Performance hall will sit on is that it is a hinge for the districts future development since the focus will hang a right when traveling down Flora street towards One Arts and hinge around the City Performance Hall. Its important how all kinds of traffic will flows into future neighborhood development and whether it encourages easy flow or is a wall that does not encourage other development to build itself around the Arts District brand.

[Double Wide]

I agree with you. But the "arcade" could be there plan for keeping it from becoming a wall.

[cowboyeagle05]

I agree with you. But the "arcade" could be there plan for keeping it from becoming a wall.

Yes I read about that feature too, I just hope the building because of the way it was designed might be a pretty good looking building from even what would normally be called the backside where required loading docks might be.

[sterling]

Has the "Parking Garage Proposal" been a part of the deal all along, or a recent addition...:


The Dallas Center for the Performing Arts Foundation (DCPAF) and the Arts Magnet Building Campaign has approached the city with a proposal to build a below grade parking garage to be located under the City Performance Hall.
Proposal States:

-DCPAF will operate the garage
-Garage use priority

-Wyly Theater patrons
-Booker T. Washington High School parking needs
-General public

"A" parking garage has been part of it all along. "This" parking garage is likely the one that takes the space planned for the orchestra pit in the main hall. Left out of the description here for some reason.

Vroom, vroom. Here's to the fine art of parking!

[ancientshoes]

any updates on this?

[sterling]

any updates on this?

The update is that everything is going swimmingly.

Unfortunately, the current laws of physics don't allow this building to be built at the same time the site is being used as the staging area for other notable construction. In essence, the answer is the same as the last five times you proffered this (or a similar) question, on this or some other related thread.

[Double Wide]

Well said.

[ancientshoes]

The update is that everything is going swimmingly.

Unfortunately, the current laws of physics don't allow this building to be built at the same time the site is being used as the staging area for other notable construction. In essence, the answer is the same as the last five times you proffered this (or a similar) question, on this or some other related thread.

i'll keep my comments to myself :mad:

[tamtagon]

Not much of an update really since the 2010 complete date is the same, but the builder has been chosen.


McCarthy selected to build the Dallas City Performance Hall
By Pegasus News wire (http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2008/nov/25/mccarthy-selected-build-dallas-city-performance-ha/)

McCarthy Building Companies, Inc., a Texas builder since 1980, was selected to build the Dallas City Performance Hall, a 124,000-square-foot multi-phase theatre facility. During phase one of construction 45,000 square-feet will be completed. The City Performance Hall, McCarthy’s fourth project in Dallas’ Arts District, will be the first LEED Silver rated performing arts facility in Texas and will provide a new state-of-the-art home for small and medium arts groups reflecting the diverse communities of Dallas.
...
The City Performance Hall is expected to be complete in 2010. The architect of record for this project is Corgan Associates, Inc. of Dallas, Texas and the design firm is Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, LLP (SOM) of Chicago, Illinois.

Source: The Dallas City Performance Hall

[jimmyx18]

I'm not sure that was any kind of insult... Just looked like the reply you requested...

i'll keep my comments to myself :mad:

[ancientshoes]

wow, they are going to complete it in 2 years? they better get started

[cowboyeagle05]

wow, they are going to complete it in 2 years? they better get started

Yeah considering the Performing Arts Center was going to pay for a Parking garage to go underneath that would be record time.

[NThomas]

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[The_Charioteer65]

I was told during the tour of the Performing arts district a few weeks ago that the parking garage would be finished in time for the October openings of the Wylie and Winspear. At that point it was just a giant hole in the ground. And judging from the photos in the previous post, it will be a tough deadline to beat.

[Double Wide]

allot can be done in 5 months

[cowboyeagle05]

I was told during the tour of the Performing arts district a few weeks ago that the parking garage would be finished in time for the October openings of the Wylie and Winspear. At that point it was just a giant hole in the ground. And judging from the photos in the previous post, it will be a tough deadline to beat.


Lets hope they work faster than the parking garage below Dallas Historical Plaza next to the Kennedy Memorial that took several years to complete. I guess they have a better setup here so they can finish faster.

[Justin Terveen]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2435/4060844377_559da5093c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ninjatune/4060844377/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2674/4061587672_08f4a51c61.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ninjatune/4061587672/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2601/4060843891_e3219a43c6.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ninjatune/4060843891/)

more to come...

[cowboyeagle05]

Ahh, the once official wildlife of Uptown, the construction crane. Once there was many now there is few to observe across the busy Dallas skyline.

[Double Wide]

They are a dying breed. A sign of the economic times we live in.

[JohnMcKee]

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9599/cranev.jpg (http://img510.imageshack.us/i/cranev.jpg/)

I was wondering what that new crane outside my window was for.

[Urban cowboy]

Wow! What a view of the city. I'm jealous dude...

[Double Wide]

great photo

[dfwcre8tive]

The glass portals to the garage have been finished. They look a bit odd as islands in the middle of construction. I wonder how these will be integrated into the finished structure.

How much does Phase I include?

http://www.architypereview.com/images/images_v4n2_arts/som_dcph_floor_plan.gif

http://www.architypereview.com/ar_v04_n02_som_dallas.html

[cowboyeagle05]

The glass portals to the garage have been finished. They look a bit odd as islands in the middle of construction. I wonder how these will be integrated into the finished structure.

How much does Phase I include?

http://www.architypereview.com/images/images_v4n2_arts/som_dcph_floor_plan.gif

http://www.architypereview.com/ar_v04_n02_som_dallas.html

Well last I heard the plans have changed since that diagram does not include the garage that the ATT PAC paid for after the City Performance Hall designs were released initially. So hopefully the garage integration has not ruined the overall final design of the City Performance Hall.

[tamtagon]

I think the large theater is phase one. Am I looking at the renderings correctly, that the front door will face Ross instead of the high school?

[cowboyeagle05]

I think the large theater is phase one. Am I looking at the renderings correctly, that the front door will face Ross instead of the high school?

I'm not sure what your seeing but the front door/lobby will face Booker T Washington they have pouring parking garage entrances along the Ross Avenue side this last week.

[NTexUnited]

Well last I heard the plans have changed since that diagram does not include the garage that the ATT PAC paid for after the City Performance Hall designs were released initially. So hopefully the garage integration has not ruined the overall final design of the City Performance Hall.

So, ATTPAC has added a parking garage under the Performance Hall? Something's funny about all this, building in phases, adding garages. Are they truly building the Hall? Or are they gonna say, "voila, heres phase one, a 45,000 s.f. parking garage. Phase two, the actual Performance Hall, will open sometime in the next twenty years"?

[cowboyeagle05]

So, ATTPAC has added a parking garage under the Performance Hall? Something's funny about all this, building in phases, adding garages. Are they truly building the Hall? Or are they gonna say, "voila, heres phase one, a 45,000 s.f. parking garage. Phase two, the actual Performance Hall, will open sometime in the next twenty years"?

The parking garage is finished they have started building the Performance Hall right now, if you were to visit the site today you would see actual vertical walls going up, right now so don't worry the 1st Phase of the Venue is well on its way. The parking garage was paid for by the ATTPAC sure it was a delay but considering that if we wanna see the Lone Star site move vertical ever we will wanna be able to have appropriate parking under the Arts Districts control and less under a private business based in Frisco. The Lone Star Garage is owned by Hall as we know and to let him dictate parking ground rules for the area gets old. Plus I'm sure for him to make a future development attractive on the Lone Star site he will want all the parking dedicated to his project.

[NTexUnited]

The parking garage was paid for by the ATTPAC sure it was a delay but considering that if we wanna see the Lone Star site move vertical ever we will wanna be able to have appropriate parking under the Arts Districts control and less under a private business based in Frisco. The Lone Star Garage is owned by Hall as we know and to let him dictate parking ground rules for the area gets old. Plus I'm sure for him to make a future development attractive on the Lone Star site he will want all the parking dedicated to his project.
Thanks. Last time I went there there was no indication of poured supports, and there were no signs around the perimeter announcing what was being constructed. You know, those graphics on plywood with a description and a crude rendering of the finished product. Is there an industry term for those things?

I was just worried that we would have another Hall-arts garage epic fail for fifteen more years!

[cowboyeagle05]

Thanks. Last time I went there there was no indication of poured supports, and there were no signs around the perimeter announcing what was being constructed. You know, those graphics on plywood with a description and a crude rendering of the finished product. Is there an industry term for those things?

I was just worried that we would have another Hall-arts garage epic fail for fifteen more years!

Well remember the city does still have to build the second phase of the venue which last I heard is still going to happen eventually I'm not sure of the time schedule.

Here's an iPhone Pic Panorama of current progress as of last Thursday you can see the vertical walls going up to the center left of the pic.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/4618045232_185fa79fb9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/williamaddington/4618045232/)

[NThomas]

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[dfwcre8tive]

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[Double Wide]

I love the Roof top logo plug

[cowboyeagle05]

I love the Roof top logo plug

Yeah they timed it right cause it made it into the current Google Maps images. Its much easier to identify the Arts District for a noob if they are just wandering around on Google Maps

[Double Wide]

Im sure the night shots of Dallas during the Super Bowl has something to do with it.

[dfwcre8tive]

September 10:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4092/4989318624_1721882369_b.jpg

[xen0blue]

aren't they going to build part of the theater where the crane is standing right now? what are they going to do when they have to build that part?

[dfwcre8tive]

aren't they going to build part of the theater where the crane is standing right now? what are they going to do when they have to build that part?

I think that's Phase 2, which comes at a later (unfunded) date.

[cowboyeagle05]

aren't they going to build part of the theater where the crane is standing right now? what are they going to do when they have to build that part?

It wouldn't matter where the crane no matter the project. Once the crane is finished they just take it out in pieces and fill in the small holes where it pokes through the various floors. Its a rather simple easy construction solution for those large cranes.

Course DFWCre8tive is right that area will be lawn most likely until the city finds funding for the second phase.

[dmorg12345]

I am assuming that they will finish Routh to where it is 4 lanes all the way through the Arts District? Right now it is 4 lanes from Woodall to Flora and then used as a construction area to the side of the construction sight.

Routh / Good - Latimer is a nice bike route to Deep Ellum from Uptown minus all of the DART crossings. Really nice sidewalk on Good - Latimer from the highways to Elm.

[dfwcre8tive]

November 23:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5166/5203090565_fb695dee0e_b.jpg

[AeroD]

That almost looks like a real neighborhood: school, churches, apartments, condos, and 7-11 all next to each other.

[lakewoodhobo]

From WFAA: Does Dallas need venue for smaller arts groups?

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/Does-Dallas-need-venue-for-smaller-arts-groups-111767949.html

[mjblazin]

It's a little late to ask that question. I believe it's more geared to the Majestic's market. The story seemed more geared to theater. Aren't there musical acts that could use a 750 seat place? I don't know music finances to know if that is a dead zone, i.e., touring groups can't make money at that size.

[sterling]

From WFAA: Does Dallas need venue for smaller arts groups?

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/Does-Dallas-need-venue-for-smaller-arts-groups-111767949.html

Of course Dallas needs venues for smaller arts groups. Small groups are where the real homegrown creativity happens, where actors practice their craft and find artistic homes, and producers can take chances on presenting things that CAN'T lose millions of dollars. Unfortunately, the ambitious plans of the Arts District have always put the needs of the smaller presenters (and artists in general) at the bottom of their "to do" list. They tend to forget that "world class" includes things other than bigger-shinier-newer halls for the established, "old world" and better patronized (meaning patron and corporate money) companies. I love the opera, symphony and ballet/dance. But it's just the tip of the creative iceberg.

[tamtagon]

... Small groups are where the real homegrown creativity happens, where actors practice their craft and find artistic homes,... Unfortunately, the ambitious plans of the Arts District have always put the needs of the smaller presenters (and artists in general) at the bottom of their "to do" list. ... bigger-shinier-newer halls .... it's just the tip of the creative iceberg...

Is Wyly to big for Dallas based creatives to surface?