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smontgomery
24 August 2002, 12:09 PM
Pumping life into downtown
City's center finding its pulse as the heart begins to beat
08/23/2002
By VICTORIA LOE HICKS / The Dallas Morning News

Dawn has barely begun to fling vivid orange splotches onto the sleeping skyscrapers, but at street level, downtown is yawning and stretching its way into a new day. Leash in hand and cellphone on ear, an elegantly rumpled young loftie accompanies a greyhound across Main Street to the tiny patch of greenery that borders Pegasus Plaza. Like other dog owners similarly employed, he ignores the plastic bags in dispensers labeled: "Keep the scene clean – Baggit!" Pegasus surveys the scene at intervals, revolving hugely into and out of view atop the Magnolia Hotel. Inside the hotel's sleek art deco lobby, where the only sound is the clink of silver against china, there's no hint of the sound and fury mounting just a few feet away.

There, on Commerce Street, ever-thickening clots of cars hurtle from stoplight to stoplight. Just as the sun extricates itself from the horizon, a white car extricates itself from the pack. It stops at the curb in front of a Starbucks, where the driver, a woman in a Dallas fire department uniform, abandons it squarely in the middle of a no-parking zone. While the two young women behind the counter concoct her grande latte, they run down the roster of their "regulars." "Where's Alex?" asks one. "I don't know," replies the other. "I think sometimes he has Fridays off." Slowly, haltingly, downtown is starting to resemble a living neighborhood, worth experiencing at closer range than on a picture postcard. If the body is to keep a pulse, innumerable sages agree, the heart that must beat is the eight blocks described roughly by Field, Commerce, Elm and Harwood streets. This is the story of an August workday in that slick, gritty, vital heart.

An awakening city

All over downtown, workers are tramping toward their places of business. A grizzled panhandler plies the sidewalk outside Starbucks' window. As if by magic, his approach seems to inspire even the most dilatory office worker with an urgent desire to reach his or her cubicle. A hotel doorman, white shirt crisp against navy vest, nimbly dodges the outstretched hand. Up and down, up and down goes the steel-mesh construction elevator married to the side of the Davis Building on Main Street. Soon the Davis will join the Kirby and Wilson buildings and the former Joske's department store in being reborn as loft apartments. In Pegasus Plaza, a man in a rumpled T-shirt is oblivious to the elevator and what it signifies. He sits on the lip of a fountain, the mist playing across his bowed shoulders, and drinks from an aluminum can swaddled in a brown paper sack.

Over on Elm, the Donut Palace offers more solid fare. With the morning rush subsiding, owner Jimmy Walker takes a few minutes to explain the arithmetic of downtown survival – specifically, why the advent of a Corner Bakery in the Wilson Building just down the block is actually good for his business. "The fou-fou people come there, and they notice us," he says. Once noticed, he said, his product moves off the shelf virtually as a matter of natural law. "Everyone wants doughnuts." That's not why he'll still be in business a year from now though, he says. He'll be here because six years ago he bought the building he's in, with 15,000 square feet of ground floor retail space. What he doesn't use, he leases to a Payless shoe store – one of the few adjacent shops not draped with banners that announce: "Going out of business."

Downtown rents have nearly doubled in the last year or so, Mr. Walker says, although they remain well below those in trendy districts such as Uptown. "Eighteen bucks a foot is still a deal." He's glad to see new money coming in. But he's been in business on Elm too long – 23 years – to mistake this flurry for a guarantee of permanent resurgence. "We're not there at all," he says. And what will it take? His answer is out even before the question is finished: "We need the Merc." The Merc. Mercantile National Bank. As the sun climbs overhead, it squats, dingy and despondent, turning a baleful face across Ervay Street to downtown's most genteel and persevering inhabitant, Neiman Marcus. Having recently foiled an attempt to convert it to apartments and shops, the empty, boarded up Merc thrusts its serrated spire into the sky as though in rebuke. For every success, it seems, there is a failure.

And for every failure, a success. Loft apartments at the Kirby and Wilson buildings can fetch more than $3,000 a month, and vacancy rates are in single digits. At 1509 Main, gleaming brass plaques proclaim "The Kirby." The lobby, like the facade, is all intricate gothic tracery. A touch-pad video screen provides a history-lesson-cum-sales-pitch for would-be renters, clearly targeted at the hipster crowd. "I was built with beer money in 1913 by Adolphus Busch," it informs the curious. "Thanks, Bud." Life downtown may be long on attitude, but it's short on groceries – and even loft dwellers occasionally need groceries and other necessities. Around the corner, the owners of a sandwich shop called the Granada Market have sensed a niche. Next to the usual selection of subs, pasta salads and gourmet chips, a single set of shelves displays laundry detergent, shaving cream, toothpaste and tampons.

The lunch crowd

With lunch hour approaching, the panhandler patrols are out in force. On Elm, at one end of the newly spiffed-up Stone Street Gardens, three officers stand over a sweating, swearing man who sits on the sidewalk, hands secured behind him by plastic cuffs. He sweats and swears until the paddy wagon arrives and the officers bundle him inside. The owner of the Holiday Shops – "Going out of business!" – watches this little drama with skeptical amusement, standing amid his marked-down assortment of curios and toys. "The police presence is fairly recent," says Malcolm Senior. Recent, as in when the new, upscale shops and restaurants began to appear. Mr. Senior, who lives in Fort Worth, hopes to find a new location in downtown Dallas. After all, he says, his family has been doing business on Elm since 1957.

He doubts that downtown can sustain the level of chichi to which it seemingly aspires. "They want to make a new restaurant next to Pegasus Plaza," Mr. Senior says. "Why? So people can watch the bums urinate?" This noonday, though, it's not fear of bums but fear of baking that seems to keep most diners indoors. Along Ervay, between Elm and Main, 18 sidewalk tables offer patrons of Quizno's, Porta di Roma and Corner Bakery a view of the Bank One tower across the street. Sixteen are vacant. "Want to sit outside?" a young man asks his companion as they enter Quizno's. "No!" she says. In Stone Street Gardens, where a canvas awning creates an oasis of shade, foot traffic is respectable if not precisely gridlocked. "That place is hopping," a man says appreciatively as he and several companions emerge from Campisi's.

Hopping is relative, however. To see hopping, you'd best hop one level down, to Tunnel World. There, where fast food abounds and the sun does not shine, are the throngs that urban planners dream of luring up into Street World. A pair of impromptu, five-minute traffic counts – standing still, counting the bodies that go by – tell the tale. Tally: tunnel, 118; street, 42.

Movin' on up

At 1505 Elm, where a one-time S&L is being converted to condos, tunnel access is a selling point – right up there with the proximity of the DART rail line, the personal-shopping service (courtesy of Neiman's), the eye-to-eye views of Pegasus and the rooftop putting green. The project's 68 units will be the first residences for sale rather than for rent in the downtown core. On this day, John Dirba and Robert Pilgrim – renters of lofts in, respectively, the Santa Fe and Wilson buildings – are looking to buy. They're too late to snap up one of the smaller $149,000 units; those that remain, ranging in size up to 2,000 square feet, go for $225,000 to $475,000.

What company will provide the parking valets, they ask the sales reps. What company will do the construction? How many units will be on each floor? Who did the dιcor in the two model units? How much are the homeowners' association dues? Is there a size limit on dogs? Oh, yes, and the question that certifies the questioner as a bona fide downtown insider: "What gossip do you have on 1530 Main?" "Cliff Booth's?" comes the answer. "Well, he still lives on top ..." And everyone has a little snicker at the expense of the developer whose seven-year failure to renovate the building adjacent to Neiman Marcus has become something of a thorn in the side of downtown boosters. Neiman's, however, has survived years surrounded by thorns, and on this day, as always, sales clerks and customers bravely soldier on.

In the ground-floor coffee bar, two very young men in suits show elaborate courtesy to a man who looks easily to be in his ninth decade. While the three of them converse earnestly about the history of Baylor University, an Asian-American man ducks in for a latte to go. He's in town for a convention of Asian-American journalists, he tells the clerk; tonight they're headed for Billy Bob's Texas. Two blocks away, the name Titche-Goettinger still is carved on the stone faηade of the store that, in its last incarnation, was Joske's. It's been more than a decade since you could buy a blouse here, or a toaster, but people are still shopping – for a bachelor of fine arts in new media, say, or a graduate certificate in geographic information systems.

Representatives of the six universities that offer classes through the Universities Center sit behind registration tables set up in the lobby. At the Texas A&M-Commerce table, academic adviser Alvin Jackson is huddled with a prospective student who is worried that his test scores will keep him out of graduate school. "What's your GPA?" Mr. Jackson asks. He mulls the answer, then pronounces: "If you can make an A in finance this semester, you should be OK."

Rush-hour toasting

That's the kind of news that calls for a drink – another commodity that is becoming readily available downtown. As the evening rush hour crawls by Main Street's newest hangout, the Metropolitan, the upstairs restaurant is relatively empty but the downstairs tavern is doing a brisk business.
Over beers at the bar, Robert and Sam – no last names, please – mull that age-old question: Has downtown finally turned the corner? "Stuff like this will help," says Robert, waving a hand at the Metropolitan's century-old, cozy-urban exposed brick walls.

"But places never seem to last," protests Sam.

"I love coming down here," he hastens to add. "But I don't think there's enough yet to draw a constant crowd, week in and week out."

"He's being a little pessimistic," says Robert.

"I'm just being honest," says Sam.

A few doors down, with two years under its belt, the "urban brasserie" Jeroboam is fast qualifying as a downtown institution. As darkness settles and the candlelight begins to ricochet from silver candelabra to frosted glass partition to glistening oyster shell, co-owner Brandt Wood surveys his much-lauded creation. "We were told we were crazy," he says, recalling the decision he and his brother made to expand their entertainment company's venues from Deep Ellum into downtown. But, as expatriates of New Orleans, he said, they were hooked by downtown's faded charms. "There's a patina that's not all perfect, and that adds to the experience," he said. "There's a force, a tractor, pulling people downtown."

Last call

The later the night gets, the younger are the people deposited by that beam. Younger, leggier, tighter and lower-cut – not to mention more amorous. The crowd in the Jeroboam bar seems to have one hand wrapped permanently around the stem of a wine or martini glass, the other around a partner's neck or thigh. And if the urge to dance strikes, that no longer requires a pilgrimage to Deep Ellum. Just sashay across the street to Umlaut, where – assuming that one passes muster with the doorman – one can descend to basement level and gyrate the night away. "No athletic wear, no tennis shoes, no T-shirts, no ripped jeans," says manager Barry Smith, rattling off the dress code.

As he speaks, two guys appear in jogging shoes and T-shirts. He waves them in. "It's just an overall look," he says. Pause. Shrug. "They're here with some director's wrap party." Downstairs, the bar in one of the two cavernous rooms is lit from within, showing in merciless silhouette all those buff enough or drunk enough to stand beside it. On the patio, Anabella Edwards, a Guatemalan who has visited Dallas for more than a decade but only recently moved here, pronounces downtown's evolution "wonderful." She lives in Uptown.

By the time the bartenders announce last call, the crowd is starting to thin. Up at street level, there's a modest scrum as swaying couples wait for valets to retrieve their cars. Across the street, drinkers bend their elbows and converse in silhouette inside the Metropolitan. One block over on Commerce, the 2 a.m. silence is broken only by the whoosh of a street-sweeping machine. A young woman with a Dalmatian on a leash makes for Pegasus Plaza.

bloodandpopcorn
24 August 2002, 08:57 PM
Wow, what a great ariticle. It's nice to see that downtown does have some blood running through it.

I can also vouch for the Campisi's popularity and quality. I ate their with a friend the other day, it was pretty full, and the pizza there definitly beats that of the other locations.

GarrettCarey
26 August 2002, 02:06 PM
good article.
You know what i'd like to see besides the DMN talking about revitalizaing downtown? I'd like to see the DMN actually do something...like take leadership in DTD.

bloodandpopcorn
26 August 2002, 03:13 PM
I definitly think Union Station could use some work. I think it would be the ideal location for a downtown cinema, and any mall-type development. Perhaps it could also grow into the parking lot, with a beautiful glass walkway between the two major parts. As it's the hub of the light rail and Trinity Railway Express, I really think it should be maximized. If nothing else, alot of people in the area would make Amtrak more likely to make our service half decent compared to the travesty it currently is. It takes twice as long to take Amtrak to Austin as it does to drive!

Union Station is beautiful, and I think a great architect could take what is there, add older and some more modern/post moddern architecture in with it and truely make it a place to visit and something post card worthy. And, as I said, it's location is great for development.

smontgomery
30 August 2002, 11:29 AM
I went into Union Station a while back (I'm a big rail fanatic). There wasn't anywhere to park, and I made the mistake of passing the Reunion Center(?) parking lot, so I ended up in Oak Cliff. When I got back to downtown, I parked on the street. All except for one of the doors were locked, and there wasn't anybody at the counter once I got inside. Then the ticket agent had the nerve to be rude.
Since train travel isn't really big in Texas, I understand that there is not a big push to make a big deal out of the train stations, but for any port of entry, be it airport, rail, or even bus station, it is important because it is the traveler's first impression of the city. Union Station definitely has potential, given it's architecture and location.
Back home in DC, Union Station used to be a hole. Here's where they're at today: www.unionstationdc.com/ (http://www.unionstationdc.com/) .

GarrettCarey
18 October 2002, 03:28 PM
2 projects aim to keep downtown up at night - Dancing to a new tune
10/18/2002 - By STEVE BROWN / The Dallas Morning News

Downtown Dallas' east side used to be the Times Square of the South, with bright theater signs flashing Majestic, Palace, Queen, Melba and Tower. Movie houses, fancy restaurants and popular bars drew hundreds of visitors to Elm and Main streets on nights and weekends. Most of Dallas' old theater row has long since gone to dust, but two developers want to bring some nightlife back to the neighborhood. Construction is under way to convert two Main Street buildings into a huge entertainment complex. And the historic Hart Furniture store next to the Majestic Theater is being remodeled into a multilevel nightclub and restaurant.

Together, these projects could bring thousands of visitors a week downtown, building on the success of recent loft apartment and retail projects. "I restored the Lakewood Theater and shopping center, and now I'm doing my part downtown," said Dallas businessman B.B. Barr, who's remodeling the buildings at 2208 Main St. The brick buildings Mr. Barr is restoring near Interstate 45 once housed auto dealerships, insurance companies and flophouses, but they've been empty since the mid-1980s. During the last few months, Mr. Barr has gutted the buildings, put in new windows and repainted the exterior in preparation for opening a six-level nightclub and restaurant complex called Purgatory. "I've already spent millions of dollars getting it ready for what will be a New York-style nightclub. There's not going to be anything like it in Dallas – period."

Shocking problem

Mr. Barr says he hopes to open the project later this year with a basement bar, dance floor and restaurant on the ground floor and banquet and restaurant facilities above that. We are going to try and find a real nice restaurant for the top floor, which has huge windows and a great view of downtown," he said. The old elevators that were used to lift automobiles to the upper floors of the building have been removed to create a basement-to-roof atrium. "We're putting in the heating and air-conditioning right now and have all the furniture, fixtures and equipment sitting in our warehouse," Mr. Barr said. "We've already contracted for parking that can handle 2,000 to 3,000 people a night."

There is only one hang-up. Mr. Barr has been unable to reach agreements with utility companies to provide enough power to run his complex. Electricity providers have quoted costs between $250,000 and $600,000 to bring new service to the block. Mr. Barr balked at the quotes, which has delayed his project. "The last thing I would have ever thought of is that I couldn't get electricity on Main Street in downtown Dallas," he said. "I could open by the holidays if I get this resolved. "This development is going to create a lot of excitement in the city in a place where there now is none," Mr. Barr said.

'10,000 people a week'

On nights when there's an event at the landmark Majestic Theater, the corner of Elm and Harwood streets is packed with people. But when the Majestic is dark, so goes the neighborhood. Dallas club operator Keith Black wants to liven things up. He's rented two floors of the historic Hart Furniture building and will convert them into a nightclub and restaurant. "We've just received our building permit, and I'm waiting for the bank to give me final approval on my financing," said Mr. Black, whose credits include the Lime Bar and Grill on Cedar Springs and the former Iguana Mirage nightclub in North Dallas. "We will start building in the next month or so. "Our goal is to do a business of 10,000 people a week," he said.

As part of the transformation of the vacant furniture building, the owners received funds from the downtown Dallas improvement district to pay for restoration of Hart Furniture's Italianate-style faηade. Built in the 1800s, the building is one of the oldest in downtown Dallas. Several recent plans to convert the landmark into loft apartments or office space have fallen through. Mr. Black's planned nightclub – to be called Blue – will have a two-story dance club and three bars facing Pacific Street. On the other side of the building next to the Majestic, Mr. Black is building a restaurant. "Our vision is more like the House of Blues, where we can offer food and drinks and national concert events," he said. "It's got to draw people from all over the metroplex, or we will be in business only a short time."

Later, Mr. Black plans to add outside lighting, elaborate entryways and landscaping. Downtown's sleepy image didn't deter Mr. Black from his plans. "We feel like this is going to be a growing area in the future," he said. "We want to create a world-class nightclub here."

KelleyUSA
18 October 2002, 03:34 PM
I read this article as well- and while it is good news for DT- I'm still waiting for the retailers that will make a significant difference to the DT core. It's a good start- but what about the high-end retail and a grocery store etc.... What about the places that will bring people down during the day or on a Saturday and Sunday afternoon? Has anyone been to the West Village on a weekend- it's packed with pedestrians!

Lance Atomic
20 October 2002, 09:37 AM
This is all well and good for nightlife...but for dallas to recapture its former glory,its going to have to be a true 24 hour city. The reason DT hasnt hit that point yet is because most peoples ideas of DT after 8pm is that of homeless people and street crime. I also agree the essentials need to go in downtown as well(More upscale retail,grocery store,small diners,movie theaters,ect..). If that business comes in,then then others will follow in step.

aceplace
21 October 2002, 10:52 AM
The West End is full of life and adds to DT. Why is this neighborhood consistently ignored when people talk about "bringing life to downtown Dallas".

Most of the blocks in Manhattan do not have the activity of Times Square, most of downtown San Francisco is dead at night, why does every square inch of downtown Dallas need to be filled with pedestrians at 11 o'clock at night?

Currently, downtown Dallas has two activity centers... the West End and Deep Ellum. That is two more than many other cities have. A third one is emerging, along Main Street.

Does anyone realize how special downtown Dallas is for having what it does have?

gc
14 October 2004, 03:05 PM
How things have changed in downtown Dallas since the last post in this thread. And as much as things change, they stay the same.

gc
25 October 2004, 04:06 PM
Push on to draw weekend visitors downtown
Sandra Zaragoza - Staff Writer
http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2004/10/25/story7.html?page=1

A slightly different version of the city of Dallas' Think Big, Live Large slogan may soon take hold: Think Weekends. At the urging of downtown organizations and hoteliers, the Dallas Convention and Visitors Bureau has hosted several "Weekend Think Tanks" focused on pumping up weekend business in downtown Dallas, according to Jay Burress, vice president of sales and services for the Dallas Convention & Visitors Bureau. Now the DCVB, along with hotel executives, is ready to give a jolt to weekend business -- Friday, Saturday and Sunday -- and they believe one of the best ways to do so is to capitalize on the cultural and entertainment activity in downtown Dallas, starting with the arts district and weaving through Main Street, the West End Historic District and spreading into Deep Ellum and Fair Park.

After two brainstorming meetings, the DCVB is pushing forward with a program that centers around a "Weekend City Pass," which will give holders privileges such as discounts at attractions and value-added perks such as free desserts at restaurants. "By making (the city pass) attractive and easy for consumers to purchase, we are giving attention to attractions, putting heads in beds and giving exposure to the city as a great place to come for a weekend getaway," Burress said.

Challenges

But the first few meetings revealed that finding funding for the weekend program won't be easy. The Dallas Convention & Visitors Bureau, with well-known budgetary constraints, will not be dedicating funds to the effort, and some hotels have made it clear that contributing to local marketing is not in their budgets. As a result, the city pass likely will be promoted through the DCVB Web site, e-mail blasts and ongoing marketing campaigns, Burress said. The city pass could be launched as early as November, Burress said.

Arizona-based Award Vacation Corp. will develop the downtown Dallas weekend leisure packages, which will offer visitors hotel accommodations along with the city pass. The city pass may also be sold separately at some point. Award Vacation will make its money by receiving a cut from the package sales. The DCVB also gets a cut that will go back into marketing efforts. Award Vacation, which has an agreement with the DCVB, already manages similar leisure packages on its Web site, www.awardvacations.com, but those do not include a city pass.

The first city pass will target families in key local and Texas markets including the North Dallas suburbs, Houston, San Antonio and Midland. The next step is to get as many hospitality, attractions, merchants and restaurants with a stake in weekend business as possible on the same page, said Burress, adding that he is planning to meet with representatives of local attractions soon.

High time

Historically, an emphasis on corporate business has meant that weekends have been slower than weekdays for hotels across Dallas, but downtown hotels face even more difficulties when it comes to weekends, said Greg Crown, vice president with PKF Consulting in Dallas. "It is more challenging because people visiting tend to be going to seasonal attractions, sporting events and tournaments -- and those tend to be in the suburbs," Crown said. A number of downtown hotels are troubled by soft weekend business, according to Dave O'Lenick, sales manager of The Westin City Center Dallas. O'Lenick first prompted the DCVB to develop the Weekend Think Tank.

Westin tapped O'Lenick specifically to inject life back into the 407-room hotel's weekend business. Occupancy at The Westin drops from 80% to 90% occupancy on weekdays to an average of 30% to 40% on weekends, he said. "We (hotels) haven't used weekends to the best advantage," O'Lenick said. "As the (holiday) season progresses, we are trying to be proactive and look at what we can do now before it's too late." Occupancy through August in the downtown Dallas area averaged 52.1% on weekdays and 56.2% on weekends, according to Tennessee-based Smith Travel Research. In comparison, occupancy in downtown Fort Worth was at 56.5% during the week and 67.5% on weekends. Smith Travel counts weekends as Friday and Saturday only. If you take Sundays into account, then weekdays would be slightly higher than weekends, Crown said, but both weekday and weekend occupancy levels in downtown Dallas are low.

Other hotels in downtown say weekends usually usher in strong business, but welcome any new effort to package the downtown area. Steve Vissotzky, general manager of the 1,163-room Hyatt Regency Dallas at Reunion, said Saturdays are often the hotel's busiest day. The hotel's overall average occupancy is about 65%, but come Saturday occupancy can reach 70% to 80%. "We need to make sure we are current with our message and about what is going on," he said. "The average Dallas citizen in the suburbs doesn't have a good idea of what is going on in downtown Dallas. "

freewaytincan
25 October 2004, 05:02 PM
Oh no I've become Ace of two years ago.

aceplace
25 October 2004, 05:25 PM
Oh no I've become Ace of two years ago.Good for you... I've spent a lot longer than 2 years figuring it out.

Now, you're only two years behind... pretty soon you'll be way ahead of me.

tamtagon
22 November 2004, 02:04 AM
10/18/2002 - By STEVE BROWN / The Dallas Morning News

...And the historic Hart Furniture store next to the Majestic Theater is being remodeled into a multilevel nightclub and restaurant.

During the last few months, Mr. Barr has gutted the buildings, put in new windows and repainted the exterior in preparation for opening a six-level nightclub and restaurant complex called Purgatory.

Mr. Black's planned nightclub – to be called Blue – will have a two-story dance club and three bars facing Pacific Street. On the other side of the building next to the Majestic, Mr. Black is building a restaurant. "Our vision is more like the House of Blues....

So Purgatory and Blue went through, but whatever happened with the Hart Furniture bldg???

barrycb
22 November 2004, 06:21 PM
So Purgatory and Blue went through, but whatever happened with the Hart Furniture bldg???

Blue is the old Hart Furnature bldg.

tamtagon
22 November 2004, 10:43 PM
Blue is the old Hart Furnature bldg.

doip

crescentboi
22 November 2004, 11:36 PM
Blue is the rear of the building, I actually don't even think it's considered the Hart Furniture Building, cause that faces Elm and Blue faces Pacific. I heard that they were having money and mgmt issues and so this was taking a while. This is probably the one project I hope DOESN'T happen unless it's by another company. Like I will not go to Blue anymore....refuse to, their mgmt is aweful imo.

Mballar
17 July 2005, 04:59 PM
Can someone with a digital camera go DT/Uptown/Deep Ellum on a Friday or Saturday night and capture the pedestrian/automobile traffic? I was DT last night (Saturday) and was totally amazed at the amount of activity on Main, Elm, and Commerce Streets in the CBD and Deep Ellum (i.e. automobile brake lights for blocks and blocks; numerous lines of people waiting to get into nightclubs, bars & lounges;). McKinney Avenue in Uptown, was incredible too. Nightlife in the city center is realy maturing at a rapid pace.

Fobulous
17 July 2005, 10:58 PM
Sounds cool, when it ever be like current DT Houston?

texman
18 July 2005, 01:03 AM
I was in Deep Ellum last night and it was oddly crowded. Dallas is coming alive, I say.

CityLove
18 July 2005, 02:55 AM
^I was there too last night. Made the mistake of turning onto Elm St, and it was like a parking lot! Had a great time at the Lizard Lounge though...

RadicalBender
18 July 2005, 11:33 AM
Deep Ellum's actually been like that for quite some time. I know this because occasionally I will make the mistake of getting back "late" (after 10 or 11 - I'm pretty boring, usually I'm just at home) on a Saturday night and it's almost impossible to get back into the neighborhood. (Malcolm X approach is almost always the best.)

Mballar
18 July 2005, 11:35 AM
Sounds cool, when it ever be like current DT Houston?
I travel to Houston on an average of about twice a month (and was there last Friday 7-15-05). In my opinion, based upon my experience in both cities, DT Dallas has already surpassed Houston. I think this is due to the fact that we have more "entertainment districts" in close proximity toeach other (i.e. CBD, Deep Ellum, Uptown).

rantanamo
18 July 2005, 01:18 PM
I'd like the activity to happen all day and night. I worry DT might just become a popular evening spot. More daytime activity is needed as well.

trolleygirl
18 July 2005, 01:47 PM
I didn't realize DT Houston was ever really all that "alive". There are a few "spots" but that's it. And you absolutely hae to drive everywhere. At least Deep Ellum, LoMac etc., are walkable communities. You don't get that in Houston.

CityLove
18 July 2005, 01:54 PM
I'd like the activity to happen all day and night. I worry DT might just become a popular evening spot. More daytime activity is needed as well.

I think that will happen with time. It's only natural that as the influx of residences into the CBD increases, so will the nighttime and daytime activity levels.

rantanamo
18 July 2005, 01:59 PM
You can ride the train to Main St in Houston. Main St in Houston as a singular entity is like Sundance Square in that it has greater evening activity than any one Dallas spot. I'd like more than that in Dallas, meaning a whole healthy downtown that is active all day and evening whether there are big events or not. Sundance Square and the Riverwalk are about as close as you can get to that in Texas. Dallas doesn't really have that yet, though the West Village is getting close and should become that as more opens. Its ironic that the faux urban environment of Firewheel Town Center will have that before anything else in the metroplex. It is faux though, that is the kind of pedestrian traffic I'd like downtown all day.

Tnekster
18 July 2005, 05:00 PM
Evidence of downtown's revival is all around
Alice Murray
Special Contributor
Downtown Dallas is poised to become a leading arts, culture, entertainment, shopping and residential destination -- and evidence of that can be seen on every corner.

Pick up the newspaper and nearly every day you will read about things like downtown's first grocery store opening, the donation of a full city block of buildings by Atmos Energy, the planning of the Woodall Rodgers deckover project, 7-Eleven's move downtown, the expanding Arts District and the surge of residents moving to the core of the city. This year alone more than 2,000 residential units either have, or are expected to, break ground in downtown.

More than $647 million in private dollars has been invested in the Center City TIF district since 1996, 3,100 housing units are complete or under construction and an additional 1,300 have been announced.

There are 2,174 hotel rooms and 4 million square feet of Class B and C office space has been renovated into residential and taken off the office market inventory, with an additional 1.6 million square feet of obsolete buildings funded for future conversion.

Residential and retail
A pivotal residential and retail development for downtown is the historical Mercantile Complex.

Vacant for nearly 15 years, the Mercantile has been a 1 million-square-foot hole in the heart of downtown. In June, Forest City Enterprises revealed renovation plans for the Mercantile Complex that include about 600 residential units and 40,000 square feet of retail space. The project was approved by the City Council with construction expected to begin by the end of 2005.

The downtown office sector is buzzing with the announcement of 7-Eleven's headquarters move as part of the development of a new project in the Arts District -- One Arts Plaza. Led by Billingsley Co., the mixed-use development will be made up of 60 high-rise condominiums, 30,000 square feet of retail space and 425,000 square feet of office space. The project is estimated to cost more than $100 million.

Overall, in 2004 the central business district realized 2.18 million square feet of lease transactions with 121,731 square feet of new deals from outside of the CBD.

Some 30 new companies moved to the CBD in 2004, and the average rental rate for the year was $19.98 (Class A, $23.08, Class B $16.89).

Among other downtown projects, developers are transforming 1217 Main into a restaurant/retail combination called Cascades, with a public roof-top garden. At 1530 Main, the deLuxe Hotel Group has begun construction on Joule Urban Resort, which will transform the once-vacant building into a 125-room boutique hotel with ground-floor retail. Next door, developers will also be opening an upscale, white-tablecloth restaurant in early 2006.

Two major projects that will change the face of downtown are the Woodall Rodgers deckover and the Trinity River Corridor. The new Woodall Rodgers Park will be built over the highway between Pearl and Harwood in the Arts District, bridging the gap between Uptown and downtown Dallas. The Trinity River Project (see story on page B4) will add bridges to connect downtown, South Dallas and West Dallas, as well as other amenities

To spur growth of retail on Main Street, the Main Street Retail Incentive Program was launched last year, providing incentives in the form of rent subsidy and build-out allowance to entice retailers downtown.

The first two retailers to open under this program are Kul Designs, a 10,000-square-foot, ultra-modern furniture lifestyle store in the Davis Building, and Swirll, a winery and wine accessories store. Additional retail coming soon includes Benji's Collezioni, Crimson in the City, BettyAnn Smith Gallery and Footgear.

Beginning this year, an Arts District expansion plan will break ground, comprised of a $275 million six-structure Dallas Center for the Performing Arts comprising the Margot and Bill Winspear Opera House, Dee and Charles Wyly Theater, the renovated Annette Strauss Artist Square, Grand Plaza, City Performance Hall and a 600-vehicle parking garage. Booker T. Washington High School for the Performing and Visual Arts will undergo a $40 million expansion, and a $7 million renovation of the historic Moorland YMCA building will tranform it into new premises for the acclaimed Dallas Black Dance Theatre. Cathedral Guadalupe will undergo a $20 million restoration.

The West End is also experiencing growth. The 1001 Ross development is home to downtown's first above-ground pharmacy, CVS, and 204 apartments. In addition, Old Red Courthouse, a premier Dallas landmark, is undergoing a $37.8 million renovation that includes the new Museum of Dallas County History & Culture to open in 2006.

One big downtown challenge is public parking. A new program called CityPark has been developed by the Central Dallas Association to respond to those challenges. Launching in the fall of 2005, CityPark-marked garages and surface lots will have a standard fee of $1 per hour from 6 a.m. to 5 p.m., Monday through Friday, then a $2 flat rate after 5 p.m. and all day on weekends.

Since 1990, the downtown crime rate has been reduced by 64.2% as a result of safety initiatives implemented by both the public and private sector. Several of the key initiatives include the Dallas Police Department Central Business District unit comprised of 75 officers on foot, police bikes and in patrol cars. In addition, in October 15, 2004, the Downtown Safety Patrol was launched by the Downtown Improvement District. The 31-member team is trained in security measures and pairs up with Dallas Police Department officers to offer a heightened sense of safety in the core of downtown. Officers are on the streets seven days a week, from 6 a.m. to 11 p.m.

MURRAY is president of the Central Dallas Association.

What is the Central Dallas Association?

The Central Dallas Association is a centralized policy-setting group for affecting change in downtown.

It is comprised of CBD stakeholders, companies and residents who are focused on creating a vibrant downtown, and its mission is to serve as a clearinghouse for all that relates to downtown and surrounding neighborhoods.

The CDA recently completed a major restructuring in preparation for the next resurgence of development. Boards and staff of various downtown-focused organizations were combined under the CDA umbrella, allowing what former CDA Chairman David Biegler described as "a more nimble and focused effort on redevelopment plans."

The city of Dallas, in an innovative partnership with the CDA, approved the new Downtown Connection TIF and Downtown Dallas Development Authority, a limited local government corporation, in June 2005. The new Downtown Dallas Development Authority will work toward a "critical mass" of 10,000 residential units and 250,000 square feet of diverse and unique retail by 2010.

To accomplish these goals, the new Downtown Connection Tax Increment Financing District, a mechanism by which developers obtain funding assistance to redevelop derelict buildings, was created. Earmarked projects to be partially funded from the new TIF include the Mercantile block, Main Street Gardens, the historic Lone Star Gas buildings, connections to Uptown and the parks associated with the Downtown Park Master Plan.

Revenue for the new TIF District is projected at $124.14 million, which allows funding assistance for several more vacant downtown buildings.

Murray is president of the Central Dallas Association.

HarryMoto
18 July 2005, 05:35 PM
Deep Ellum's actually been like that for quite some time. I know this because occasionally I will make the mistake of getting back "late" (after 10 or 11 - I'm pretty boring, usually I'm just at home) on a Saturday night and it's almost impossible to get back into the neighborhood. (Malcolm X approach is almost always the best.)

This is good to hear as I always seem to hear so many people in Uptown and North Dallas complaining about how crime-ridden Deep Ellum is and how they don't go there anymore. Then when you ask them if they've actually been a crime victim or witnessed anything, it's "a friend of a friend. . .blah blah blah. . .scary, homeless people. . .blah blah blah" There's some of this in the current Dallas thread on the Houston forum where it seems Deep Ellum and Lower Greenville are just one step above Fallujah.

No doubt, many bad things do go on in Deep Ellum but, as a frequent visitor, I don't see much that I wouldn't expect from other urban districts that attract a young (and sometimes admittedly rowdy) crowd. (And, granted, I don't hang out there much after 2 a.m. when I suspect the criminal element may be more visible).

C. Scott
18 July 2005, 06:12 PM
>>Launching in the fall of 2005, CityPark-marked garages and surface lots will have a standard fee of $1 per hour from 6 a.m. to 5 p.m., Monday through Friday, then a $2 flat rate after 5 p.m. and all day on weekends.<<

DAMN that's cheap! I wish parking here was that cheap.

rantanamo
18 July 2005, 06:31 PM
yes, we are spoiled with cheap parking.

Mballar
18 July 2005, 06:33 PM
^Now the city needs to get the word out about it. Even cheap parking will go unused if no one knows it's there.

C. Scott
19 July 2005, 03:32 PM
Cheap parking encourages driving rather than public transit usage.

In most urban cities one can spend upwards of $30/day to park downtown.

HarryMoto
19 July 2005, 03:45 PM
Cheap parking encourages driving rather than public transit usage.

In most urban cities one can spend upwards of $30/day to park downtown.

True, and that can work in a city like Toronto, New York, London, Sydney, where masses of people are used to visiting downtown day and night. In Dallas, where downtown is comparatively empty and many residents are still reluctant to venture there at all (let alone on public transportation), they don't need another excuse not to visit downtown. When more residents are actually living downtown, and many others have learned that visiting there doesn't mean automatically becoming a crime statistic, then perhaps such a parking policy might work to shift some of that traffic to DART.

texman
19 July 2005, 03:47 PM
A DART day pass costs 2.50$...For parking at 1$ an hour; 8 hours parked with gas to and from downtown...you do that math. I don't think this will affect DART ridership, nor promote driving.

freewaytincan
19 July 2005, 03:52 PM
A DART day pass costs 2.50$...For parking at 1$ an hour; 8 hours parked with gas to and from downtown...you do that math. I don't think this will affect DART ridership, nor promote driving.

It's $4.50 for us non-students.

texman
19 July 2005, 03:53 PM
It's $4.50 for us non-students.
Not everyone rides the TRE or the bus.

jsoto3
19 July 2005, 03:56 PM
It's $4.50 for us non-students.
It's $2.50 for everyone. That's LRT, bus, and TRE zone 1.
http://www.dart.org/riding.asp?zeon=DARTFares#1

freewaytincan
19 July 2005, 03:59 PM
It's $2.50 for everyone. That's LRT, bus, and TRE zone 1.
http://www.dart.org/riding.asp?zeon=DARTFares#1

Oh yeah I was thinking of the two-zone premium pass, sorry. DART should really expand the student discount to include college students. It's ridiculous to offer it only to high school students and younger. I mean they're too busy hanging out at each others' houses, playing video games, shopping at suburban malls, partying, wrapping their cars around trees, and whatever else the kids are doing these days.

Agnus Dei
19 July 2005, 04:21 PM
Deep Ellum's actually been like that for quite some time. I know this because occasionally I will make the mistake of getting back "late" (after 10 or 11 - I'm pretty boring, usually I'm just at home) on a Saturday night and it's almost impossible to get back into the neighborhood. (Malcolm X approach is almost always the best.)

Yeah. When shows at the Gypsy Tea Room let out (and if I've parked at the lot across the street), I make sure to wrangle my way back towards Downtown as soon as possible, because heading deeper into Deep Ellum is painful. Great to see the people out, but impossible to maneuver around the crowds without taking down a pedestrian.

C. Scott
19 July 2005, 04:24 PM
Anyone who's going to be parked all-day every day is probably going to buy a monthly pass.

In Calgary, the city has made a specific, concerted effort to reduce the amount of publicly available parking downtown, and it's worked well. They're LRT system now has over 200,000 riders per day (the transit system in total is nearly 400,000 riders per day), in a metro area of only 1.0 million.

texman
19 July 2005, 04:35 PM
I mean they're too busy hanging out at each others' houses, playing video games, shopping at suburban malls, partying, wrapping their cars around trees, and whatever else the kids are doing these days.

Thats exactly what I do when I ride the DART.:p
They should expand the pass though to include college students, especially when they open the Northwest corridor to UNT.

trolleygirl
19 July 2005, 05:56 PM
You can ride the train to Main St in Houston. Main St in Houston as a singular entity is like Sundance Square in that it has greater evening activity than any one Dallas spot. I'd like more than that in Dallas, meaning a whole healthy downtown that is active all day and evening whether there are big events or not. Sundance Square and the Riverwalk are about as close as you can get to that in Texas. Dallas doesn't really have that yet, though the West Village is getting close and should become that as more opens. Its ironic that the faux urban environment of Firewheel Town Center will have that before anything else in the metroplex. It is faux though, that is the kind of pedestrian traffic I'd like downtown all day.


Six sentences and the word "that" eight times. Wow!

The Great Hizzy!
19 July 2005, 06:21 PM
Leave him be, TG! He was on a roll!

Our day passes are two bucks but are prohibited (obviously) on our Park & Rides. Of course, better than half of METRO's riders use some sort of extended time pass (seven day, monthly, senior, studenty, annual, etc) so typical the majority of day passes are purchased by visitors or people who have to come in to DT to do jury duty or some other thing. I would think this is a big selling point if you were coming from well outside the core in a city like Dallas, Atlanta, etc but didn't do so normally and were faced with having to spend anywhere from $5 to $12 to park all day, not to mention the gas you'd save.

In that, I agree that if parking fees in DT Dallas went up, it would probably encourage people who already have to go DT on regular basis (like for work) to use transit more often but you also run the risk of alienating fringe or casual visitors DT, who don't necessarily have to come DT if they don't want.

Insidetheloop
19 July 2005, 07:22 PM
You can ride the train to Main St in Houston. Main St in Houston as a singular entity is like Sundance Square in that it has greater evening activity than any one Dallas spot. I'd like more than that in Dallas, meaning a whole healthy downtown that is active all day and evening whether there are big events or not. Sundance Square and the Riverwalk are about as close as you can get to that in Texas. Dallas doesn't really have that yet, though the West Village is getting close and should become that as more opens. Its ironic that the faux urban environment of Firewheel Town Center will have that before anything else in the metroplex. It is faux though, that is the kind of pedestrian traffic I'd like downtown all day.

The West End used to be like that.....in 1988.

Tnekster
22 July 2005, 06:08 PM
I just came from downtown and was looking over the Victory project when I noticed new crane on the south side of Woodall, near the old red courthouse. Anybody seen that or know what it is all about? Is it for that underground parking garage the county is working on? With that new park running between Main and Elm. That is where it looked to be.

Mballar
22 July 2005, 06:15 PM
^Yup!

Tnekster
22 July 2005, 06:19 PM
Cool, another crane, and so many more to go.