Nothing about Oak Cliff.

[DTDdreamer]

Too bad nobody ever talks about what Bishop Arts/ Oak Cliff has to offer and linking the area with rail or pedestrian/bike trails. There is SO MUCH potential for this area... West of Methodist (Kessler Park) is hands down the pretiest part of Dallas and Jefferson St. Between Zang and Plok could be the next (bigger & better) Knox Henderson. You've got some beautiful historic homes and in Wennetka (sp?) Heights and Kessler Springs. I would put the stained glass at Christ Episcopal @ 10th & Lewellyn up against any in the city. Yet all these things go unappreciated because 'er-body's just skert to go south of the river!

[eirin]

Too bad nobody ever talks about what Bishop Arts/ Oak Cliff has to offer and linking the area with rail or pedestrian/bike trails. There is SO MUCH potential for this area... West of Methodist (Kessler Park) is hands down the pretiest part of Dallas and Jefferson St. Between Zang and Plok could be the next (bigger & better) Knox Henderson. You've got some beautiful historic homes and in Wennetka (sp?) Heights and Kessler Springs. I would put the stained glass at Christ Episcopal @ 10th & Lewellyn up against any in the city. Yet all these things go unappreciated because 'er-body's just skert to go south of the river!

While I might agree with the first part of this statement, it's kind of sad you have to resort to speaking improperly. I mean...I don't know what " 'er-body" is. Is it short for her body? That would probably most accurate. Then...skert? Did you mean skirt? I don't know why anyone would be a skirt. But anyway, try going back to school and then maybe some people will come and visit you in Oak Cliff.

[Mballar]

Too bad nobody ever talks about what Bishop Arts/ Oak Cliff has to offer and linking the area with rail or pedestrian/bike trails.
I think you just did.

[grantboston]

While I might agree with the first part of this statement, it's kind of sad you have to resort to speaking improperly. I mean...I don't know what " 'er-body" is. Is it short for her body? That would probably most accurate. Then...skert? Did you mean skirt? I don't know why anyone would be a skirt. But anyway, try going back to school and then maybe some people will come and visit you in Oak Cliff.

I think I can speak Jive. (Airplane, anyone?)

er-body= everybody
skert= scared

[xen0blue]

I think I can speak Jive. (Airplane, anyone?)

er-body= everybody
skert= scared

It's not jive, it's ebonics, which is the successor to Jive, which means he is either in his teens or 20's. I grew up in oak cliff/duncanville so I know it well. Let me try to communicate with him:

Yo, dem de-velopers ain't gon git down hurr til doze nigs down in da cliff get they shiz togetha...no ice, no dice, yo. Who wanna come up in dere if they iz 'jus gon get busted in they grill?

[cowboyeagle05]

Too bad nobody ever talks about what Bishop Arts/ Oak Cliff has to offer and linking the area with rail or pedestrian/bike trails. There is SO MUCH potential for this area... West of Methodist (Kessler Park) is hands down the pretiest part of Dallas and Jefferson St. Between Zang and Plok could be the next (bigger & better) Knox Henderson. You've got some beautiful historic homes and in Wennetka (sp?) Heights and Kessler Springs. I would put the stained glass at Christ Episcopal @ 10th & Lewellyn up against any in the city. Yet all these things go unappreciated because 'er-body's just skert to go south of the river!

I disagree people are talking about Bishop Arts and Oakcliff. People living in that area are also getting involved in bringing mass transit to the area. Oakcliff is gaining traction and continuing to showing up on developers radar as a place where land is still cheap compared with other areas in town. Things are moving

[KesslerDweller]

Kessler Park and Oak Cliff is one of the strongest neighborhoods in Dallas. In my opinion it will appreciate faster than any other neighborhood over the next 5 to 7 years.

Land prices have already gotten expensive. Incap bought all the cheap land.


I disagree people are talking about Bishop Arts and Oakcliff. People living in that area are also getting involved in bringing mass transit to the area. Oakcliff is gaining traction and continuing to showing up on developers radar as a place where land is still cheap compared with other areas in town. Things are moving

[Cooley]

"It's not jive, it's ebonics, which is the successor to Jive, which means he is either in his teens or 20's. I grew up in oak cliff/duncanville so I know it well. Let me try to communicate with him:

Yo, dem de-velopers ain't gon git down hurr til doze nigs down in da cliff get they shiz togetha...no ice, no dice, yo. Who wanna come up in dere if they iz 'jus gon get busted in they grill?"

We can't even have a mature conversation without some low life bigot coming on here with racist statements!

[ericthegardener]

This thread took an embarassing turn pretty quickly, how about we try to get it back on track and talk about Oak Cliff.

Though I'm glad DTDdreamer wants more people talking about Oak Cliff, I partially disagree with his premise. I talk to people who are excited about OC all the time, people who already live there, people who hope to live there, as well as people who love to visit (personally, I'm in the latter two categories).

On the other hand, I do talk to people at work who are, wrongly in my opinion, scared of Oak Cliff because of what they grew up hearing. So maybe there does need to be more positive talk about Oak Cliff.

Well, let's hear it! I'm curious to hear where people think OC will be in 5 to 10 years. Will it change too much for some tastes?

[sterling]

Cooley, if you insist on talking a language that only an "inside" crowd can readily understand, what's the point of posting at all? And if you are doing it on purpose, isn't that in itself a kind of reverse racism? Try to give up being cool for the sake of the greater understanding, at least for a moment or two. We promise not to tell anyone that you actually speak correct English.

Actually, I interpreted your post as more of a redneck/hick reference than an afro-centric one. See how easily one can be misinterpreted? With as many people in here who can't spell, write complete sentences or even communicate a literate idea... Well, unless you surround every good-natured jab with quotation marks, we have no way of knowing if you're trying to be clever or just failing 6th grade.

[ericthegardener]

Cooley, if you insist on talking a language that only an "inside" crowd can readily understand, what's the point of posting at all?

Cooley was quoting xen0blue.

But seriously, how about we get back to the topic of the thread or just close the thread.

[sterling]

On the flip-flop Cooley, go ahead and tell us about all those things.

I want to know if there is actually any kind of aesthetic hope for the Dallas Zoo for example. They've supposedly been doing stuff for several years. Grab a camera and go find out. I'm dying to know what gets done and what gets talked to death. In all fairness, there are some lovely photos on already existing threads. Perhaps you can revive those threads with some of your own. My favorite urban heroes are plastered all through this forum.

With sdorn following the ever eminent bulldozers and ninjatun following his LSD like clarity (please don't sue u no i luv u), many of their casual daily posts have disappeared for more clearly defined missions. And lord knows it must be intimidating to "find one's OWN voice" among such strong narrative photos done by so many good eyes. Still, I implore ALL you charitable photographers to find it in your hearts to continue to display what YOU are seeing, feeling and making a record of. It is much appreciated by us all.

I think the retail list for "Ma and Pa"cafes and retail in Oak Cliff is (personally) far more "telling" than kvetching over whether some mall bordering a tollway gets a "real" Neiman-Marcus or "only a Last Call". The demographic of South Dallas is far more indicative to me of Dallas as a whole, than the idealized narrow line going north to the border of Oklahoma. As far as I'm concerned "thay've runned jest as fer as thay ought ta go". And Oak Cliff has something on all of those cookie-cut strip malls neighborhoods don't. It's right downtown. Yes, we get it. We've just got to get people show-and-telling us everything they know again. "What an interesting stew. What do you put in it?" But please, no fake announcements and hopeful pre-announcements of global proportions. After cdallen's infamous "spiritual healing retreat hoax" (probably stricken from public record),whatever you dream up can only pale in hilarity and humiliation. Otherwise, Bon Apetit! and tell us all about it.

By the way, whatever DID happen to the "save old fleabag motels" folks; and WHAT stands in place of my vaunted old bowling alleydom? I should search old threads and see if I can run across some old drumguy shots... some aceplace arguments.. was it moconahey braving South Dallas, hmmm... head spinning. Some great recent shots of that old hotel turned condo.. terrific houses. Wow... it's tough to keep all those drums beating.

Those threads aren't dead cooley, they're just sleeping. It's NOT that nobody cares. Well OK, some don't. But for goodness sakes, if it's your baby drowning, breathe some life into it. And if you revive a sleeping thread, everybody won't have to say the same things all over again. You don't have to birth an idea, you can adopt one that needs a champion. The search box is right at the top of the page. Find it and save it's life.

Unlike so many forums on the internet, this one actually requires some reading (well, a little). My favorite part is that it is mostly non-fiction. And I must admit, I like the pictures.

[RobertB]

Exellent summation! I think that's a good point at which to call it a day on this thread.

A couple of suggestions to support sterling's point:

* Scroll down to the "Similar Threads" section at the bottom of the page. This thread has managed to mention Oak Cliff enough that several relevant results have emerged.

* Do a Google search of the forum: site:forum.dallasmetropolis.com oak cliff (http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=site:forum.dallasmetropolis.com+oak+cliff&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8). If you're interested in a particular area, just add that to your search string. Google has the advantage of knowing how to spell better than we do: when I add "winetka heights", Google suggests "Did you mean: site:forum.dallasmetropolis.com oak cliff winnetka heights?"

[DTDdreamer]

In response to my last post, "Nothing about Oak Cliff", I sincerely apologize if any body was TRULY offended by my miserably failed attempt at a tongue-in-cheek remark. It meant not to mock or offend but as a comment toward misconceptions about Oak Cliff. After having to explain it all over I can understand where some of you may have taken offense and again I apologize. In future post I'll stick to topics and leave attempts at humor to the pros... sorry guys.

NOW having said that, I would like to see if we can get back on track (and stay there). There actually seemed to be some interest in the conversation: I'll borrow ericthegardener's question to redirect us:

"Well, let's hear it! I'm curious to hear where people think OC will be in 5 to 10 years. Will it change too much for some tastes?"

[Columbus Civil]

Oak Cliff needs a town center.