Parkdale Redevelopment

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Curious what people think of the possibility of doing a mixed use development at the site of the old Parkdale Generating plant. It has basically been offline for years. Not considering what it would cost to clean up the land, assume the owners scrapped it and cleaned it up, my question is more would the area carry some type of retail/condo/Apartment in the area as an anchor to help with the revitalization in that area of town. ..... Discuss ...

[clipper]

I would think the clean up and demolition costs would be a deal killer unless there was some environmental support from the government or previous owners. I remember how long and extensive the clean up of the plant at Victory was.

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I would think the clean up and demolition costs would be a deal killer unless there was some environmental support from the government or previous owners. I remember how long and extensive the clean up of the plant at Victory was.

That was my original point, "assuming" some help was available be it thru city, federal, TXU etc... The bulk of the cost at victory was not done by the developers but paid by the entities owning it, the city etc...

I'm just wondering what people think of the viability of such a project in this location and if the area would carry such a deal and what the implicatiosn for South Dallas it might spur.

[LH_Newbie]

For those of us not in the know... could you tell us where this property is? Cross streets...

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For those of us not in the know... could you tell us where this property is? Cross streets...

It is bordered by scyene, to the south, Military parkway to the north, hatcher to the west, and lawnview to the east. Or just google map it using parkdale lake, dallas TX

[KittyPie]

not sure what would fit ---- isn't scyene/lawnview over in pleasant grove area?

[trolleygirl]

Curious what people think of the possibility of doing a mixed use development at the site of the old Parkdale Generating plant. It has basically been offline for years. Not considering what it would cost to clean up the land, assume the owners scrapped it and cleaned it up, my question is more would the area carry some type of retail/condo/Apartment in the area as an anchor to help with the revitalization in that area of town. ..... Discuss ...

Umm, I think Trammel's already on this...

[trolleygirl]

not sure what would fit ---- isn't scyene/lawnview over in pleasant grove area?

NO!!! It 's ABSOLUTELY NOT in Pleasant Grove. PG was a separate town and was annexed by Dallas in the 40's. It starts at Bruton, which is two miles south of Parkdale. Parkdale/Urbandale was always it's own community within Dallas. Parkdale was built in 1927 by the same company that built Hollywood/Santa Monica. There is an active and politically sophisticated neighborhood association in Parkdale and it's a very stable community. It's a great place to buy a home and invest in a close-knit and diverse community.

www.parkdaledallas.org

[trolleygirl]

I would think the clean up and demolition costs would be a deal killer unless there was some environmental support from the government or previous owners. I remember how long and extensive the clean up of the plant at Victory was.

TXU has been trying to sell it for years now. The city was talking about buying it and adding it to park inventory. (I and a few others had a vision a few years ago, and shared it with city staff, that we could do an energy museum there.) The plant is really retro and very cool inside. Meanwhile, TXU cleaned up the site two years ago and are still working on some other environmental improvements.

[dfwcre8tive]

Is this the neighborhood? The map was on the link you provided...

http://www.parkdaledallas.org/filecabinet/maps/aerial_medium.jpg

[dfwcre8tive]

So the DART Green Line will have a station at Lawnview and Scyene, right?

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Yes that is basically the site site, and yes Kittiepie, that is the ultimate question I guess you would say. It is sort of an odd location in that to the east you have Parkdale that is, as was said, a very nice neighborhood for the most part, to the west you have fair park, coming around, although the strip in between is still a bit rough, to the south is still pretty rough. But, also as was said, you have a new Dart station at Lawnview and scyene AND a station at hatcher and scyene. I have not heard anything of Trammell being involved in this property, would love to hear more about that if you have any!

One of the things that will fire up a turn around in an area is a substantial anchor development and it seems this could be one for South Dallas, but Just not sure if the Area is ready for it as far as making economic sense from a developers risk standpoint, But, at the same time, something in this area could be the thing to really get it rolling I think. The hard part doing something like this is finding a large enough parcel of land to do it on and this seems to be a great spot where you wouldn't have to buy out 200 houses to do it.

[trolleygirl]

Again, Trammel's interested in the Parkdale Power plant site........

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Well, I Knew they were trying to make a push to do some things in the S. Dallas Sector, but when Don couldn't push the eminent domain modifications he was shooting for through I got the impression they were basically walking from doing anything major in S Dallas. haven't found/seen/heard anything specifically about them on this site, but would love to hear more if it's not one of those I could tell ya but would have to shoot ya deals!

[trolleygirl]

Well, I Knew they were trying to make a push to do some things in the S. Dallas Sector, but when Don couldn't push the eminent domain modifications he was shooting for through I got the impression they were basically walking from doing anything major in S Dallas. haven't found/seen/heard anything specifically about them on this site, but would love to hear more if it's not one of those I could tell ya but would have to shoot ya deals!

Who is "they" and who is "Don"?

I am the immediate past President of the Parkdale/Lawnview Association of Neighbors (PLAN). I held that title for over five years.

What is your interest in the area?

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Who is "they" and who is "Don"?

I am the immediate past President of the Parkdale/Lawnview Association of Neighbors (PLAN). I held that title for over five years.

What is your interest in the area?

They - Trammel crow, Don - Don Williams - Ex CEO of Trammel Crow and Founder of Foundation for Community Empowerment. As for my interest, its nothing more than I think the area could possibly be an incredible opportunity for an anchor development of the mixed use type to help in the redevelopment of the area. Seeing as there is a wealth of knowledge on this board from Architects, engineers, construction types, developers along with people such as yourself who are knowledgeable people of their communities from different areas, I thought this could be a good place to get some input on what people thought as to whether the area was ready for something like this and if they thought it could/would be financially viable.

[trolleygirl]

I think the area could possibly be an incredible opportunity for an anchor development of the mixed use type to help in the redevelopment of the area. Seeing as there is a wealth of knowledge on this board from Architects, engineers, construction types, developers along with people such as yourself who are knowledgeable people of their communities from different areas.

Yeah, well...I've been saying that for 10 years.

But seriously, there is currently interest in the Parkdale plant. Can't say much else than that though.

[Off Target]

Nothing is ever going to happen to this site! It will be filthy, contaminated and probably stripped of its copper and HVAC's in no time, like everything else South of I-30. Made one investment there one time never again. Still holding on to it. Couldn't give it away. The sooner you folks realize that nothing will ever happen in that area the quicker you will move out.

[noelamador]

^ what an optimist

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^ what an optimist

just call it like i see it. i propose a super family dollar on the old TXU parkdale power generator site

[AeroD]

It sucks that you have had a bad experience with your investment.

But when I hear recent stories about hot sheet motels closing down in Southern Dallas, Boone Pickens donating money to Jubilee Park, and revitalization of the Bishop Arts area, I can't help but think that progress can made south of I-30.

Has it been modest and long-overdue? Sure. But it has to start somewhere.

[Dbadger]

like everything else South of I-30. Made one investment there one time never again. Still holding on to it. Couldn't give it away. The sooner you folks realize that nothing will ever happen in that area the quicker you will move out.


Cedars is south of 30.
Southside, Amuse, Lee Harvey, Openning Bell and Many others.
Fair Park is south of 30
Bishops arts is south of 30.
Hamilton purchased a hotel south of 30 (Plaza)

Cedars is selling a bunch of townhomes well into the 200s (and they are selling by the way in a down market)
A 10 story residential tower is openning within months, with condos in the mid to high 300s)
A rail station the serves both blue and red lines (today, not tomorrow, not in 5 or 10 years)
And you can walk downtown in 10 minutes, granted you have a can of pepperspray.
Whats not to like?

maybe you made the wrong investment.
It happens everywhere, Uptown, downtown, south, north.
It will take time but it will creep south just like it is creeeping north.
Eventually it will be: how many locations are that close to downtown? With rail access?

'you folks' just doesn't seem like a respectful term.


See you in another 10 years when you cannot afford a Jr one bedroom over there.

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Cedars is south of 30.
Southside, Amuse, Lee Harvey, Openning Bell and Many others.
Fair Park is south of 30
Bishops arts is south of 30.
Hamilton purchased a hotel south of 30 (Plaza)

Cedars is selling a bunch of townhomes well into the 200s (and they are selling by the way in a down market)
A 10 story residential tower is openning within months, with condos in the mid to high 300s)
A rail station the serves both blue and red lines (today, not tomorrow, not in 5 or 10 years)
And you can walk downtown in 10 minutes, granted you have a can of pepperspray.
Whats not to like?

maybe you made the wrong investment.
It happens everywhere, Uptown, downtown, south, north.
It will take time but it will creep south just like it is creeeping north.
Eventually it will be: how many locations are that close to downtown? With rail access?

'you folks' just doesn't seem like a respectful term.


See you in another 10 years when you cannot afford a Jr one bedroom over there.

I hope, i probably will still be holding on to it. But prices have depressed over there and don't tell me differently. i have the facts and you have emotional attachment. You, likely, can't be reasoned with. There is no viable Class A development going on there or ever will be. The natives are restless (crime), they don't maintain their homes, for the most part. There are a few optismistic neighbors over there but none with any power downtown. Don't you get it? Its about the money, not, who can scream,whine and complain the loudest and most. That's what people in E Dallas will never get thru their thick heads. Fallujah like apts or 80% density on new development? Crack cocaine, used condoms and dumping or 54' height limit as opposed to 36'. Catch my drift? At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you or I think, noone will be doing a project over there any way. Least of all Trammel Crow.

[downtownguy25]

See you in another 10 years when you cannot afford a Jr one bedroom over there.

Why would you want to live in a place that you have to wait 10 years for it to become like an area you would want to live?

[kozzy]

When I was a new Dallasite, I got lost one day and ended up at the corner of Hatcher & 2nd. Looked kind of scary that day. That was nearly 8 years ago. Haven't been back since. Kind of assumed the whole area down there was like that. Since then, I have noticed that the area around Dixon Circle (general vicinity) has seen their share of problems. My question is, has the city finally given the attention to this area that it deserves, and is this area in close proximity to Parkdale? I never even knew the little Parkdale neighborhood existed, and now I must head down to look at it.

[trolleygirl]

Why would you want to live in a place that you have to wait 10 years for it to become like an area you would want to live?

Um.... are you new to real estate? Just askin' cuz I'm perfectly happy with my home there now and I see no reason to sell it any time soon. Parkdale is a stable neighborhood and that fact accounts for something.

Please, go away of you don't "get it".

[trolleygirl]

Least of all Trammel Crow.

Mmm hmm....... so you something that I don't know?