SMU Blvd: BLVD Dallas/The Shelby

[SDORN]

I saw this this was being demolished as I was driving to another demo site. Got quite a few pix of it. Intercon demolition, who also demolished the UA cine is doing this one. I have a few I took from my car on my digital but the rest are film that I will post later. This used to be One of Carrol Shelby garages

[baneste]

According to a 2006 article by Steve Brown in the DMN, http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/columnists/all/stories/092206dnbusrecol.2ebd9a7.html:

"Prescott Realty Group . . . purchased the Coker Automotive property on Yale Boulevard just east of North Central Expressway. . . . Prescott owns the nearby 6060 North Central office complex and the former Shamburger Building Center property at Yale and Greenville Avenue. Brokers say the Coker property is being planned for retail and residential development."

[SDORN]

Glad ti hear it, that Shamburger yard has been in need of development too that needs to go too.

[SDORN]

Updated the thread here. Since the new development is occurring here now. Fences are up now around The shamburger lumberyard, and the Old law Firm at 5630 Yala blvd Gutting and asbestos abatement are currently being done in both building s now demo is right around the corner for these two 5630 Yale is bounded by Yale and Worcola and is across from the across the street bar.

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I am also being told that the day are numbered for the vet clinic,Across the street bar and the ice house plus to the two remaining 1950's buildings on Yale across from Shamburgers, and the asian food place will also be on that list as well.

Not sure of the future for Barley house I know this Yale is about to be the next hot development area
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Here is the side view of the front of the Law firm(5630Yale)
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The front of shamburgers.
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[MarkL2023]

http://www.globest.com/news/1311_1312/dallas/175928-1.html


Prescott Prepares For 450-Unit Project
By Amy Wolff Sorter

DALLAS-With its 55-unit Shelby under way, Prescott Realty Group is gearing up to break ground on the 450-unit Shamburger Lofts. The cost of both projects is $80 million and they'll serve students attending Southern Methodist University.

Shelby, a loft-based project which will also include about 3,500 square feet of retail space, is on SMU Boulevard. Completion is expected for August 2009. Adjacent to the Shelby is at SMU Boulevard and Greenville Avenue is Shamburger Lofts, which will break ground sometime during Q1 2009. Shamburger Lofts, which will also contain a retail component, could be a phased development, though Prescott Realty director Bryant Marshall says the initial units could be open as early as fall, 2010......

[cowboyeagle05]

Well I found the website for the Shelby project they mentioned in the Globe street article but the website does not have an address listed only contact information and the rendering is shown.

http://theshelbydallas.com

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[cowboyeagle05]

I didn't realize how quickly they are moving on this area but I know there several developments planned and moving forward. They idea some developers have is that this area will connect SMU with Greenville Avenue better and the college town atmosphere will grow in between Central and Greenville Avenue. With Dyer Street and Yale now SMU Blvd being the spines for bars, retailers, apartments and commercial development.

[Milkman Dan]

Of all Prescotts projects having broken ground here, this one makes the most sense to me. Great area near SMU, built in high-end market.

Can someone explain the partnership between JPI and Prescott for this project? For information email blah@jpi.com on the site...

Is it just leasing/management?

[Double Wide]

I agree with Cow Eagle, this could go along way to making Dallas a "collage" town.

[cowboyeagle05]

I agree with Cow Eagle, this could go along way to making Dallas a "collage" town.


Let me get this straight its a developers attempt at a College town area of Dallas we will see what actuality evolves from the area.

[SDORN]

wonder when the Vet clinic and bar are going down.

[grantboston]

I agree with Cow Eagle, this could go along way to making Dallas a "collage" town..

Hold on a minute, now. If you've ever spent much time in a true "college town" you would quickly realize that it is everything Dallas is not. High ratio of students:total population at large, a typically small-ish total population, ramshackle (er, "affordable") student housing, lots of bars and restaurants, and generally an all-encompassing local culture based on the college: these are what make a college town. SMU and Dallas are none of these.

SMU is too small and these projects will be too expensive ever to generate even a "college town bubble" in the Park Cities area. That's completely against the culture of that neighborhood, and frankly, unlike that of many SMU students. Another little strip of college-oriented businesses are the most that will come out of that. That's not a bad thing, mind you, but it's NOT a "college town."

Popping the SMU bubble is a good thing for the area, but this is not the next College Station/Lubbock/Charlottesville in the making, and not by a long shot.

[cowboyeagle05]

Hold on a minute, now. If you've ever spent much time in a true "college town" you would quickly realize that it is everything Dallas is not. High ratio of students:total population at large, a typically small-ish total population, ramshackle (er, "affordable") student housing, lots of bars and restaurants, and generally an all-encompassing local culture based on the college: these are what make a college town. SMU and Dallas are none of these.

SMU is too small and these projects will be too expensive ever to generate even a "college town bubble" in the Park Cities area. That's completely against the culture of that neighborhood, and frankly, unlike that of many SMU students. Another little strip of college-oriented businesses are the most that will come out of that. That's not a bad thing, mind you, but it's NOT a "college town."

Popping the SMU bubble is a good thing for the area, but this is not the next College Station/Lubbock/Charlottesville in the making, and not by a long shot.


That's kinda what I was trying to say with the words Developer version of a college town area. Think of the phrase "College Town" like Developers use of the words "Town Center".

[Milkman Dan]

That's kinda what I was trying to say with the words Developer version of a college town area. Think of the phrase "College Town" like Developers use of the words "Town Center"
Who said they are trying to create a college-town environment? Not anyone from Prescott as far as I know. This area has been a college hangout for a long time. That these blocks are going to be geared towards the SMU market has everything to do with disposable income and little to do with creating a whole new community ala LHTC. This is a residential project to tap into an already-established market.

[palchik]

I agree with Cow Eagle, this could go along way to making Dallas a "collage" town.

FYI:

Collage - noun:

An artistic composition of materials and objects pasted over a surface, often with unifying lines and color.

A work, such as a literary piece, composed of both borrowed and original material.

The art of creating such compositions.

An assemblage of diverse elements: a collage of conflicting memories.

[AeroD]

...but this is not the next College Station/Lubbock/Charlottesville in the making, and not by a long shot.

In the words of Martha Stewart, "...and that's a good thing."

[dfwcre8tive]

Urban-style apartments going up near SMU
10:36 AM CST on Wednesday, December 31, 2008
By STEVE BROWN / The Dallas Morning News
stevebrown@dallasnews.com
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/010109dnbusshelby.2464ebf8.html

Developers have broken ground on an urban-style apartment complex that will set the tone for a neighborhood makeover.

The 55-unit Shelby project is going up on SMU Boulevard just east of North Central Expressway. It’s the first of a string of projects planned for the area adjoining DART’s commuter rail line and near Southern Methodist University.

The 5-story building will include about 3,500 square-feet of ground floor retail space.

The project will be aimed at “young professionals who will benefit from a centralized location near SMU, the Park Cities, and the light rail system at Mockingbird Station,” said Jud Pankey, CEO of developer Prescott Realty. “We wanted to help set the tone for the neighborhood in terms of design and streetscape.”

Construction on the project will be completed in August. The apartments will rent for about $1.78 per square foot.

...

[SDORN]

Here ya go
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[dfwcre8tive]

This map shows Prescott's plans for the area. What's the "Proposed Streetcar" along SMU Blvd?

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/UniversityCrossing.jpg

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2009/01/good_gosh_theres_quite_a_lot_o.php

[cowboyeagle05]

Looks like to me that SMU plans to envelop 75 and add a short modern street car to get all the people they can to the George Bush Library from Mockingbird Station instead of a pedestrian bridge and/or park over 75. As long as they are paying for it looks fine with me.

[aygriffith]

[B][SIZE=3]Construction on the project will be completed in August. The apartments will rent for about $1.78 per square foot.

...

I hope thats just market rent they're talking about... While some SMU students will pay more, 2100 a month for a 1200 sq ft 2 bed room is exceeding uptown and downtown. Yale St isn't really more lively than either of the other two options (expecially since they are tearing down the bars) and those kids don't care if they have to drive 10 mins more from UT/DT to SMU.

[SDORN]

Aygriffith, check the map it shows the vet clinic, the bar and the Thai place still On it. Help me here other than prescott are there other developers here that will buy up these other structures. It Smu planning on buying more real estate, such as the Jerry Stark building, The Brown Building and what is the future of the clinic, bar and Thai place?

Scott

[NThomas]

That map must be pretty old cause it shows the Katy Trail extension being finished last year. I wonder if that proposed streetcar has been mentioned anywhere else.

[jsoto3]

If SMU, Prescott (and other developers), and the Cities of Dallas and University Park could team up to develop a modern streetcar route serving this area, this is how I would plan it:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=32.842998,-96.779251&spn=0.020516,0.045319&t=h&z=15&msid=109140152438770804120.00045f8d0b3c8db5969f2

Streetcars would operate in both directions, turning around in a new plaza developed at the north end of Snyder Plaza. Ideally, eventually another route would be developed along Greenville connecting points north and south and the McKinney Avenue Trolley could be extended north to connect to SMU like this:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&t=h&msid=109140152438770804120.00045f8d626b4dc35a17e&ll=32.824932,-96.786289&spn=0.04104,0.090637&z=14

Unfortunately, I think that small stretch along Hillcrest through Highland Park would be virtuallly impossible to make happen (politically).

[aygriffith]

I have a feeling any current streetcar line will be done with the faux bus street cars. I don't think SMU really has alot to gain by fronting the money for building and operating a real rail based street car.

Cute? Yes...

Expensive to operate? You Bet...

[F4shionablecHa0s]

I have a feeling any current streetcar line will be done with the faux bus street cars. I don't think SMU really has alot to gain by fronting the money for building and operating a real rail based street car.

Cute? Yes...

Expensive to operate? You Bet...
SMU does lots of really expensive stuff that's just for looks.

[cowboyeagle05]

I have a feeling any current streetcar line will be done with the faux bus street cars. I don't think SMU really has alot to gain by fronting the money for building and operating a real rail based street car.

Cute? Yes...

Expensive to operate? You Bet...


Well the material does say a modern streetcar not a simulated streetcar bus but we have no real info except that map posted on a early concept for a neighborhood.

[aygriffith]

SMU does lots of really expensive stuff that's just for looks.


The only difference is I don't go to SMU and can ride that trolley if they build it, those overly done Georgian buildings are generally only used by those who pay the tens of thousands of dollars in tuition.

Most schools have high frequency medium size bus service in and around the areas or towns surround campus. Would SMU one up every other college with a full blown trolley route and maintenance facility? I think they're hoping somehow somewhere that a government entity is sucker enough to pay for it.

[grantboston]

With SMU (and all other university) endowments suffering massive losses in the recent market turmoil, superfluous capital projects are being put on hold. A SMU streetcar might have been an affordable luxury a year ago, but now with smaller endowments, increased need for financial aid, hiring and pay freezes spreading like wildfire across higher education, it's probably DOA.

I can't think of any off the top of my head, but does any other university in the country or world operate a similar system?

[F4shionablecHa0s]

The only difference is I don't go to SMU and can ride that trolley if they build it, those overly done Georgian buildings are generally only used by those who pay the tens of thousands of dollars in tuition.
A small streetcar system interconnecting the new parking structure going up at the old UA Cine spot, Ford Stadium, the George Bush Library, and the Meadows Museum would be very beneficial in getting outside visitors to spend more money on campus. Also, many college students don't have cars (even at SMU). This could be a great way of interconnecting the original campus with the new campus going up on the other side of Central.

Expensive capital projects like these make lots of money for schools like SMU in the long run. They encourage donations from alumni and the Dallas community and they encourage admissions. Students (and their families) are going to be much more receptive to paying SMU's huge tuition if there is stuff like this.

Also, I think SMU is smart enough to realize that this is the PERFECT time to start big capital projects. Steel and building supplies are cheap again. That won't last long.

[cowboyeagle05]

Except the concept streetcar line shown above does not connect to the Meadows Museum other than dropping people off on the East side of 75 at the future G.W. Bush Library on the north side of campus. If they wanted to be able to funnel people to the Museum they will need to form a loop through the campus or just run back and fourth from Meadows Museum on Mockingbird, next stop the Dart station then go north like shown on the above map and terminate at the G.W. Bush Library. A simple rubber band style system would connect those three dots but as for improving student transportation on campus I do not know if either of those would seriously help besides creating easier flow between the east and west sides of 75.

As for funding what about the GW Bush library money. The GW library budget is huge in comparison to past libraries well beyond inflation rates maybe part of the legacy of the library plan SMU showed off to the Bush family was providing a modern transportation infrastructure for students. The above map screams of streetcar built for the sole purpose of connecting the GW Bush Library to the DART line with student benefits as a side thought.

[palchik]

The existing Mustang Express shuttle (DART Route 768) already fills this role quite well...except there is no weekend service...but that can change.

[cowboyeagle05]

The existing Mustang Express shuttle (DART Route 768) already fills this role quite well...except there is no weekend service...but that can change.

Except that its not a modern streetcar and turning it into one totally changes the amount and kind of potential riders. People from the Suburbs wanting to visit the GWB Library and the Meadows Museum are more likely to ride a DART train and a modern Streetcar to SMU rather than a Mustang Express bus. SMU just may be looking to upgrade its transportation systems to match it clientele trends which are skewing towards "green clean trolley's" just a thought.

[mjblazin]

Plenty of local and visiting surburbanites ride the shuttle to NP Mall from Park Lane and that vehicle is just a bus. We don't have the money to fund "if we build it, they will come" ideas. Shuttles are perfectly adequate ways to demonstrate a market need, the only viable justification, for a transportation enhancement. It's the same thing downtown. We keep hearing about the need for streetcars downtown yet every attempt to run shuttle buses over exactly the same routes have been huge failures. Again the justification is the so-called reluctance to ride a bus vs. some kind of railed vehicle.

We don't have funds to build everything. Let's only spend our limited cash on projects where everyone agrees a need exists.

[Fort Worthology]

Again the justification is the so-called reluctance to ride a bus vs. some kind of railed vehicle.

It's hardly a "so-called" reluctance. There are plenty of examples of rail vehicles attracting noticeably higher ridership than buses. The reasons - more comfortable, smoother, quieter, more predictable, easier to figure out routes, etc. - are not that hard to see.

[mjblazin]

Comparing rail to bus in general: yes. Comparing a bus shuttle to a streetcar running the same route on exactly the same schedule with exactly the same seating and environment: I doubt it.

[cowboyeagle05]

Comparing rail to bus in general: yes. Comparing a bus shuttle to a streetcar running the same route on exactly the same schedule with exactly the same seating and environment: I doubt it.

As for the money it looks like SMU would be paying for it so don't get too worked up over the city/DART paying for the project. I too ride the Shuttle bus from Park Lane Station to NP guess what I would rather walk. Its cramped short bus that hits corners fast swings back and fourth throwing you against other people.

A streetcar has a defined route that people can follow on a map and they know they will get where they want and modern streetcars don't usually swing around corners throwing you against other passengers like they are going to flip the bus over. Streetcars have a limited speed capacity while buses can be featured in movies like SPEED. Buses have reasonable shuttle implementations but rails have their own reasons they work better as shuttles. That's why potential routes need studies to determine streetcar versus shuttle bus.

In many ways its a shorter walk from Park Lane station to NorthPark the only problem is there are literally no sidewalks or adequate working crosswalks to allow a reasonable amount of foot traffic between the two destinations.

It would be cheaper to improve and add sidewalks and crosswalks between the two destinations but that's crazy talk. Why walk when your can drive next door. The same goes for the SMU streetcar just add and improve sidewalks and crosswalks between SMU and Mockingbird station and you've made major transportation improvement already.

[mjblazin]

The sidewalks beween Park Lane Station and NP are fine. The problem is the intersection, particularly on the west side of Park/Service Road. I don't think a safe way exists to cross that intersection. I've done it a few times and always running with a turning car from various directions hot on my heels.

Your comment indicates the problem is with how the driver does his/her job and with how DART manages its associates. I don't want to spend millions because DART does not know to manage its associates' performances. If someone can't properly drive the bus or manage the drivers, he or she need to look for other work.

[NThomas]

The sidewalks beween Park Lane Station and NP are fine. The problem is the intersection, particularly on the west side of Park/Service Road. I don't think a safe way exists to cross that intersection. I've done it a few times and always running with a turning car from various directions hot on my heels.

If NorthPark and Park Lane could split the cost of an elevated enclosed pedestrian crosswalk, not only would it eliminate the intersection as a physical barrier, it'd increase patrons to both centers.

[cowboyeagle05]

The sidewalks beween Park Lane Station and NP are fine. The problem is the intersection, particularly on the west side of Park/Service Road. I don't think a safe way exists to cross that intersection. I've done it a few times and always running with a turning car from various directions hot on my heels.

Your comment indicates the problem is with how the driver does his/her job and with how DART manages its associates. I don't want to spend millions because DART does not know to manage its associates' performances. If someone can't properly drive the bus or manage the drivers, he or she need to look for other work.

The sidewalks are not fine through that area some places there are no sidewalks not even the bare minimum.

Actually my comment is not about the DART drivers for that shuttle. They are driving properly its the nature of the route and the bus. The bus has to drive the speed of traffic through that area to stay out of the way of the fast moving cars. Cars speeding near a freeway who knew.

Plus the buses they use are short and sit high off the ground so they tend to be top heavy causing more magnified swaying in the cabin especially when you hit corners even at a reasonable slow speed. Streetcars are designed not to do these things and get a total different reaction by other drivers when they are incorporated in to local traffic routes.

[KBilly]

The last thing in the world I foresee them doing is tearing up that very busy area to lay track in the roads.

[txjanaa1]

[FONT=Tahoma]Does anyone know who the sub-contractors are for these projects?

Thank you in advance for your reply...

-jana'a-

[lakewoodhobo]

http://downtownuptown.blogspot.com/

Good news for this property. Maybe someday the retail portion will open.



Prescott Realty leases half of The Shelby
Within 30 days of its official opening, the residential living portion of The Shelby mixed-use development on SMU Boulevard is 50 percent leased, according to commercial real estate investment firm, Prescott Realty Group.

The Shelby is located near Southern Methodist University between Central Expressway and Greenville Ave. in Dallas.

The five-story mixed-use development has 55 apartments located above retail units. The concept was launched to deal with the local demand for mixed-use upscale apartment living.

[BigD5349]

Twisted Root is now open on the ground floor of the Shelby... seems to be doing a bang up business today...

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[AeroD]

With the exception of Roanoke, it is interesting to see Twisted Root open along 75: Deep Ellum, SMU, Telecom Corridor, and next stop, the Village at Fairview.

[berryhill]

Ate at the new Twisted Root on Saturday. I really like the huge doors that swing open and the patio was great. I really hope this street becomes more dense. Hopefully those plots of land will turn into more developments like the Shelby.

[CDallas]

Yep I ate there a couple of weeks ago and agree this street could turn into a great college town kind of street.

[CasperITL]

Yep I ate there a couple of weeks ago and agree this street could turn into a great college town kind of street.


Not if SMU gets its way. They have been quietly buying up property east of 75. Rumor is to buy up everything as far as Ozona and out to Greenville Avenue. When school is in session, happy hours on Friday afternoons are usually pretty good along SMU/Yale Blvd.

[vman]

Pretty impressive:


Developer says Shelby apartments near SMU are fully leased

10:05 AM CDT on Thursday, June 10, 2010
By STEVE BROWN / The Dallas Morning News
stevebrown@dallasnews.com
Developer Prescott Realty Group said Thursday that its new Shelby apartment community near Southern Methodist University is fully leased.

The 55-unit 5-story rental building is on SMU Boulevard just east of U.S. Highway 75. Units in the building start at just under $1,200 a month.

The Shelby is located just north of DART's Mockingbird light rail station.

Ground floor retail in the building is leased to restaurant Twisted Root Burger Co.

Prescott owns other property in the area where it plans further development.

[johnangle]

Not if SMU gets its way. They have been quietly buying up property east of 75. Rumor is to buy up everything as far as Ozona and out to Greenville Avenue. When school is in session, happy hours on Friday afternoons are usually pretty good along SMU/Yale Blvd.

The plan used to be to put the expansion of our campus over there and develop an "East Campus," however they ultimetly decided to develop along Mockingbird and the Ms. Bairds' site for the 12 or so new residence halls. Part of the reason was that they didn't have a good plan of how to connect the two sides of 75 after the word came in that a pedestrian bridge wouldn't be built from Mockingbird Station across. They have concerns about how they'll connect the area south of Mockingbird, too, though.

They plan to hold that land and eventually develop parts of it (what's closest to Expressway Tower) but otherwise leave it alone. Their hands are very full right now developing the southern end and eastern ends of campus with the Bush Library and new dorms.