Political Theory and the demise of Dallas

[MisterNifty]

Tucy is a devoted Houstonian.

And he despises Dallas.

He loves his city, and that's cool. Gotta respect that.

I just don't understand why a devoted Houstonian would even bother posting on a Dallas board. I mean, you have 2,200,000, and we only have 1,200,000. Why even bother?

Seems very strange, and very AGGY to me.

By the way, how is AGGY going to do this seaon Tucy?

It's off-topic, but would you mind giving us a season prediction for your favorite team?

Thanks.

Dallas does not have 1,200,000 people in it because the
city has shrunk to an area that includes only downtown, uptown and the two Park Cities just to the north of it. Houston has a vast area of neighborhoods which is much larger where more classes of people mingle together -- Uptown at first seemed to be developing into something like that. Meanwhile Uptown has become a huge gated community with surrounding areas that represent huge wastelands, ghettos and seedy neighborhoods -- as viewed from the condominium balconies of those who count and post in this forum. I believe the Dallas Morning News did an extinsive investigation revealing this aspect about the city which political leaders chose to ignore. Think about it this way. Aren't the bridges, the Art's District and the Trinity project just cosmetic fixes that enhance uptown? As the number of buildings increase in Uptown, doesn't the poverty of the surrounding areas of what was once Dallas also increase? Won't they eventually widen the walls between the social classes in Dallas? Hasn't the same happened in communist China? Hasn't the city of Dallas over the years become a hub of social business? Hasn't Dallas become much more like Boston? For those of us who knew the great city of Dallas back when they took care of a much larger part of the city and not just an isolated part of the center of it, this is a great tragedy. Dallas is dead. Uptown lives.

[Spjz]

Dallas does not have 1,200,000 people in it because the
city has shrunk to an area that includes only downtown, uptown and the two Park Cities just to the north of it.

Alot of folks in North Dallas, East Dallas, South Dallas, West Dallas, Pleasant Grove and Oak Cliff would disagree with that. I am one of them.

Meanwhile Uptown has become a huge gated community with surrounding areas that represent huge wastelands, ghettos and seedy neighborhoods -- as viewed from the condominium balconies of those who count and post in this forum.

Well, Uptown is surrounded by East Dallas, Oak Lawn, Downtown and the Park Cities. East Dallas and Oak Lawn still have some older apartment housing, but it is vanishing every year. Downtown is high rent and the Park Cities are.....well the Park Cities. The Project housing like Roseland and the one off of Maple and Kings are mostly exceptions to what is other wise becoming expensive real estate. The Love Field area will probably keep alot of the lower rent apartments because the airport makes it less attractive. But I would hardly say that Uptown and the Park Cities are surrounded by a 'wasteland'.

Aren't the bridges, the Art's District and the Trinity project just cosmetic fixes that enhance uptown?

If the glass, or river for that matter, is half full, then the TRP is a major public works project for the whole city to share. If the glass/river is half empty then it is way to take industrial zoned land along the river and convert it into something else. Due to location I don't think that it has much to do with Uptown, or Downtown for that matter.

As the number of buildings increase in Uptown, doesn't the poverty of the surrounding areas of what was once Dallas also increase?

If by surrounding areas you mean suburbs. Most of the new housing that is being built around the center of the city is hardly affordable. I live in Oak Cliff and you have to go south of Illinois to see new 'affordable' housing. North Oak Cliff is either expensive renovations or expensive new town homes. Grand Prairie, Arlington, DeSoto, Mesquite, ect will have to absorb former Dallas residence who will be priced out of the old inner city.

Won't they eventually widen the walls between the social classes in Dallas?

That happened along time ago my friend. With the exception of Lake Highlands and the Mountain Creek area, Dallas has not been middle class friendly for quite some time.

Hasn't Dallas become much more like Boston?

We all wish. Our downtown still sucks, getting better, but still sucks.

For those of us who knew the great city of Dallas back when they took care of a much larger part of the city and not just an isolated part of the center of it, this is a great tragedy.

Too bad J.R. got canceled and Jim Crow died.
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Dallas is dead. Uptown lives.
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[The Great Hizzy!]

Dallas does not have 1,200,000 people in it because the
city has shrunk to an area that includes only downtown, uptown and the two Park Cities just to the north of it. Houston has a vast area of neighborhoods which is much larger where more classes of people mingle together -- Uptown at first seemed to be developing into something like that. Meanwhile Uptown has become a huge gated community with surrounding areas that represent huge wastelands, ghettos and seedy neighborhoods -- as viewed from the condominium balconies of those who count and post in this forum. I believe the Dallas Morning News did an extinsive investigation revealing this aspect about the city which political leaders chose to ignore. Think about it this way. Aren't the bridges, the Art's District and the Trinity project just cosmetic fixes that enhance uptown? As the number of buildings increase in Uptown, doesn't the poverty of the surrounding areas of what was once Dallas also increase? Won't they eventually widen the walls between the social classes in Dallas? Hasn't the same happened in communist China? Hasn't the city of Dallas over the years become a hub of social business? Hasn't Dallas become much more like Boston? For those of us who knew the great city of Dallas back when they took care of a much larger part of the city and not just an isolated part of the center of it, this is a great tragedy. Dallas is dead. Uptown lives.

While I understand what you're saying in general, I still think it's a matter of the shiny penny getting all the attention. The fact that developments in Uptown (and nearby) have more visual glamour means that it will get more attention and a great share of the public's discourse on such matters. That said, there are other development in areas of Dallas well disconnected from Uptown proper (or DT for that matter).

[MisterNifty]

Alot of folks in North Dallas, East Dallas, South Dallas, West Dallas, Pleasant Grove and Oak Cliff would disagree with that. I am one of them.

Please don't get me wrong here. I happen to have been born in Oak Cliff and I can remember back when the city of Dallas was famous for being the city that really worked. Dallas today is growing disproportionally. The dynamic growth around downtown would be something indeed if the rest of the city weren't being neglected in the process.

Well, Uptown is surrounded by East Dallas, Oak Lawn, Downtown and the Park Cities. East Dallas and Oak Lawn still have some older apartment housing, but it is vanishing every year. Downtown is high rent and the Park Cities are.....well the Park Cities. The Project housing like Roseland and the one off of Maple and Kings are mostly exceptions to what is other wise becoming expensive real estate. The Love Field area will probably keep alot of the lower rent apartments because the airport makes it less attractive. But I would hardly say that Uptown and the Park Cities are surrounded by a 'wasteland'.

please note that I stated "-- as viewed from the condo balconies of those who count and post in this forum."

If the glass, or river for that matter, is half full, then the TRP is a major public works project for the whole city to share. If the glass/river is half empty then it is way to take industrial zoned land along the river and convert it into something else. Due to location I don't think that it has much to do with Uptown, or Downtown for that matter.

In the past railroad tracks, rivers, cemetaries and other like parts of cities were implemented to keep the social classed seperated in the city. Haven't you ever heard of the expression, "on the wrong side of the tracks?" The Trinity River has long been a huge social division in the city of Dallas. Please note that I have acknowledged your optomistic usage of "half full" in your argument. In the future "less full" people will have to limit themselves to perhaps a "third full" or even a "quarter of the way full" in order to clean this wonderfully polluted earth that we live on. We used to call these people impoverished.

If by surrounding areas you mean suburbs. Most of the new housing that is being built around the center of the city is hardly affordable. I live in Oak Cliff and you have to go south of Illinois to see new 'affordable' housing. North Oak Cliff is either expensive renovations or expensive new town homes. Grand Prairie, Arlington, DeSoto, Mesquite, ect will have to absorb former Dallas residence who will be priced out of the old inner city.

Could it be that people in Dallas are living in denial? Didn't these types of civilizations help destroy the rain forest, cause acid rain, cause global warming and solar cooling. Isn't it time that we all live more like those that we despise in the poorer parts of town? They do seem to pollute less.

That happened along time ago my friend. With the exception of Lake Highlands and the Mountain Creek area, Dallas has not been middle class friendly for quite some time.

I'm not talking about reality here but perception. That is why the Dallas Morning News published that substantial report after researching it on the city. Dallas seems to think that everything is wonderful when the facts do not substantiate that. Almost every institutional foundation which made Dallas famous is endangered today. What about the infrastructure that keeps the city from flooding? What about the old pumps along the Trinity? What good does it do to build Oz north of downtown Dallas if it is going to flood? It is just insanity.

We all wish. Our downtown still sucks, getting better, but still sucks.

Downtown Dallas used to be a place where hard working people met to make a lot of money. When they were finished making money they socialized in large Churches. Now people in downtown socialize in bars.
Why does downtown Dallas have to look like New York City? Can't it just look like itself? I like square boxy buildings myself.

Too bad J.R. got canceled and Jim Crow died.


Dallas isn't as unsophisticated as it used to be. I'm just arguing that its sophistication today is pretentious and unfounded. People there take themselves too seriously. People are still taunting and persecuting the homeless. Some people who live there still feel that they can't be used as the butt of the joke. That is not how humor works. If we all want to live in a lightened up society where more people feel happy, we all need to take ourselves less seriously. When a biker in Uptown finally stops to give a tourist directions, I will change my opinions of Uptown.

Dallas is dead. Uptown lives.
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Therefore Dallas is dead. The only argument that it isn't comes from the area within and around the area of Uptown.

[MisterNifty]

While I understand what you're saying in general, I still think it's a matter of the shiny penny getting all the attention. The fact that developments in Uptown (and nearby) have more visual glamour means that it will get more attention and a great share of the public's discourse on such matters. That said, there are other development in areas of Dallas well disconnected from Uptown proper (or DT for that matter).

The people in charge of Dallas today are not the ones who planted the seeds that ultimately grew Uptown. That hard work has been going on for some 3 decades. It would make those great people absolutely sick at their stomachs to see how the local government today has neglected the rest of the city.
I will agree that Dallas has a few other things going for it. My argument isn't against Uptown but against the neglect of the rest of the city. As the Dallas Morning News report showed, Dallas is becoming a rotten core of the overall metropolitan area. Something has to be done about this problem before the whole apple is judged rotten.

[MarkL2023]

The people in charge of Dallas today are not the ones who planted the seeds that ultimately grew Uptown. That hard work has been going on for some 3 decades. It would make those great people absolutely sick at their stomachs to see how the local government today has neglected the rest of the city.
I will agree that Dallas has a few other things going for it. My argument isn't against Uptown but against the neglect of the rest of the city. As the Dallas Morning News report showed, Dallas is becoming a rotten core of the overall metropolitan area. Something has to be done about this problem before the whole apple is judged rotten.

What the heck are you talking about? Dallas as a whole is gettin much better. Rotten apple? have you heard about the southern sector building boom for comerical and industrial space. The place is going nuts because of the UP distribution facility. Read the DBJ a little bit more before you start calling Dallas a rotten apple. Leppert is doing what he can to hire more police so help fight the image that Dallas is unlivable. They are doing plenty of things. Rotten apple?!?!?!?! I'm sorry but thats ridiculous. As for the metro becoming a rotten apple. HA. I'm sorry but adding 500 new people a day isn't a normal trent for a metro headed for the dumps.

[BIMS 01]

Dallas is becoming a rotten core of the overall metropolitan area. Something has to be done about this problem before the whole apple is judged rotten.

What on earth are you talking about. East Dallas, which is hardly considered Uptown is undergoing one of the largest transformations of any neighborhood in the DFW area. The area we live in recently had a crime bulletin sent out for the past month or so and there were zero property/violent crimes in our area. For such a rotten city in an older neighborhood, that seems a little unusual.

[MisterNifty]

What the heck are you talking about? Dallas as a whole is gettin much better. Rotten apple? have you heard about the southern sector building boom for comerical and industrial space. The place is going nuts because of the UP distribution facility. Read the DBJ a little bit more before you start calling Dallas a rotten apple. Leppert is doing what he can to hire more police so help fight the image that Dallas is unlivable. They are doing plenty of things. Rotten apple?!?!?!?! I'm sorry but thats ridiculous. As for the metro becoming a rotten apple. HA. I'm sorry but adding 500 new people a day isn't a normal trent for a metro headed for the dumps.

The area you mention is actually outside of the city of Dallas. The local government of Dallas had nothing to do with the development of the UP distribution facility. It first became somewhat successful and then really successful later on because of the massive destruction done to the transportation infrastructure along the Gulf coast by both the Katrina and Rita hurricanes. But it is as far south of the Dallas government as the city of Richardson is north. The Trinity project, the bridges, the Art's district, the new parks are all going towards improving the lifestyle of the 20,000 people who live in and around downtown and uptown and do very little for the remaining people living in the rest of the city of Dallas.
When cutting into a rotten core of an apple one has two choices. You can either cut out the rotten core or you can discard the whole apple. Right now people tend to cut around the huge rotten areas that make up what is the city of Dallas. When considering the inner city of Dallas, people tend to be selective. Indeed, there is a small area of North Oak Cliff that is getting development, a small area in West Dallas, an area around White Rock Lake really looks spiffy, Uptown (of course) and downtown are really booming because of huge amounts of social money being spent on them. As the suburbs continue to age and develop social governments similar to what Dallas has now, the whole DFW metropolitan area will continue to crumble. I predict this will start happening in about 5 years.

[tamtagon]

As the suburbs continue to age and develop social governments similar to what Dallas has now, the whole DFW metropolitan area will continue to crumble. I predict this will start happening in about 5 years.

Do you know when the Russian are going to invade?

[MisterNifty]

What on earth are you talking about. East Dallas, which is hardly considered Uptown is undergoing one of the largest transformations of any neighborhood in the DFW area. The area we live in recently had a crime bulletin sent out for the past month or so and there were zero property/violent crimes in our area. For such a rotten city in an older neighborhood, that seems a little unusual.

The people in Dallas no longer have a government that works, but a government that works at spending as much money as possible. There are already signs that the Trinity 10 year plan is cracking. Certainly the other 5 and 10 year plans in Dallas will fail just as miserably as they once did in communist China and Russia. Isn't Dallas a capitalist city? Isn't giving a lot of money to the government like giving a loaded 38 to a 3 year old? Since when did it become "hip" to give the government a lot of money to spend?
Isn't the city of Dallas today just like the nation of China? China has lots and lots of new buildings while they have increased laws and regulations that persecute their poor. That is how socialism works! The same is happening today in Dallas. As Dallas tries to build its mini Manhattan of Uptown, it is also increasing laws and regulations that persecute the impoverished in the city. How else will they get the money pay for the high price of their corruption?
Now I will agree with you that Dallas has more than just Uptown and Downtown. Isn't Uptown an ugly place when compared to the hilly area of Oak Cliff? White Rock Lake likewise is a beautiful area, indeed, but unfortunately it can't be enjoyed by all because it has all those snobs living around it.
What "Dallas" is scheming to do now is build bypasses through its neglected parts of town. Their plan is to string together a lot of mini uptowns with new light rail line stations. Of course, it is already known that the people living in these mini uptowns will never ride the trains. They just like living next to them for some reason. Doesn't this type of thinking ultimately reduce down to insanity?
And yet the same backwards attitude still exists in Dallas for cripes sake. There is still a spirit that persecutes the homeless. There is still a meaness that haunts the city. Everyone seems to be assaulting everyone else both literally and politically. Just read the threads in here. Isn't there still a contempt in Dallas against everything that is Hispanic (Mexican)? Yep. The people in the city still do not feel that blacks are a positive resource to the area as they now do in Atlanta. Read between the lines.

[tamtagon]

This thread was split away from DTD Population.

[frankchitown]

Good work, tam

[MisterNifty]

Do you know when the Russian are going to invade?

Back in my younger sophisticated years, I once visited a farm in Kansas owned by my uncle John and aunt Rosey. I can still remember feeling as if I was on a mission as a member of the Peace Corp during that visit. Having received a superior southern education in the subject of geography, I had learned about the state of Kansas and its abundance of primitive hog farms; so, as you can imagine, after arriving I immediately set about instructing them on how plumbing would improve their lives with the benefits of running water. They actually pumped water from a well while they had no toilet to use (They had to use an outhouse).
Later that day while showing off some of their cattle, my aunt Rosey deliberately commenced to pick up some manure from a fresh pile so that she could smear it all over me. Being from the sophisticated city of Dallas (actually I was from Garland) I was simply horrified! As she continued smearing the pooh on me, she argued that not all manure necessarily smells bad. Horse dung actually smells better than cow manure; while, the stench of pig crap is indeed horrible and should be avoided at all cost. I now realize just how right my aunt Rosey was and I thank her today for teaching me about the differing odors of crap. The sophisticated notion that all crap smells bad is only a sign that our culture has lost touch with past ancestors who worked hard to learn how to grow things.

[Tnekster]

Back in my younger sophisticated years, I once visited a farm in Kansas owned by my uncle John and aunt Rosey. I can still remember feeling as if I was on a mission as a member of the Peace Corp during that visit. Having received a superior southern education in the subject of geography, I had learned about the state of Kansas and its abundance of primitive hog farms; so, as you can imagine, after arriving I immediately set about instructing them on how plumbing would improve their lives with the benefits of running water. They actually pumped water from a well while they had no toilet to use (They had to use an outhouse).
Later that day while showing off some of their cattle, my aunt Rosey deliberately commenced to pick up some manure from a fresh pile so that she could smear it all over me. Being from the sophisticated city of Dallas (actually I was from Garland) I was simply horrified! As she continued smearing the pooh on me, she argued that not all manure necessarily smells bad. Horse dung actually smells better than cow manure; while, the stench of pig crap is indeed horrible and should be avoided at all cost. I now realize just how right my aunt Rosey was and I thank her today for teaching me about the differing odors of crap. The sophisticated notion that all crap smells bad is only a sign that our culture has lost touch with past ancestors who worked hard to learn how to grow things.

This is getting really strange.

[MarkL2023]

this is my favorite thread ever . You have no idea what you are talking about except when it comes to the fecal matter of farm animals. Awesome. As for the city of dallas, if a person whos grandma rubs crap on him says this city is headed for the dumps, PLEASE!!!! TAKE ME TO THE DUMPS!!!!

[trolleygirl]

Wow. That was five minutes that I will never get back. Thanks you Markypants for inserting much needed humor.

[Lakewooder]

MISTER "Nifty"

Greetings from East Dallas where the entire huge area east of Central Expressway covering Fair Park to Lake Highlands over to Mesquite (otherwise known as MLS Area 12) where the median home price is now more expensive (even with some ungentrified areas) than Plano and nearly all other suburbs.

If you look at the price per square foot it is way ahead of Plano and Frisco and just above Colleyville. It is only a few dollars less than Westlake and Soutlake. The only higher priced areas are Park Cities and North Dallas.

- a snob who lives around White Rock Lake...HA!

[Lakewooder]

Back in my younger sophisticated years, I once visited a farm in Kansas owned by my uncle John and aunt Rosey. I can still remember feeling as if I was on a mission as a member of the Peace Corp during that visit. Having received a superior southern education in the subject of geography, I had learned about the state of Kansas and its abundance of primitive hog farms; so, as you can imagine, after arriving I immediately set about instructing them on how plumbing would improve their lives with the benefits of running water. They actually pumped water from a well while they had no toilet to use (They had to use an outhouse).
Later that day while showing off some of their cattle, my aunt Rosey deliberately commenced to pick up some manure from a fresh pile so that she could smear it all over me. Being from the sophisticated city of Dallas (actually I was from Garland) I was simply horrified! As she continued smearing the pooh on me, she argued that not all manure necessarily smells bad. Horse dung actually smells better than cow manure; while, the stench of pig crap is indeed horrible and should be avoided at all cost. I now realize just how right my aunt Rosey was and I thank her today for teaching me about the differing odors of crap. The sophisticated notion that all crap smells bad is only a sign that our culture has lost touch with past ancestors who worked hard to learn how to grow things.

Thanks for the olfactory edification.

They didn't even do that on Green Acres!

[MustangMonkey]

Back in my younger sophisticated years, I once visited a farm in Kansas owned by my uncle John and aunt Rosey. I can still remember feeling as if I was on a mission as a member of the Peace Corp during that visit. Having received a superior southern education in the subject of geography, I had learned about the state of Kansas and its abundance of primitive hog farms; so, as you can imagine, after arriving I immediately set about instructing them on how plumbing would improve their lives with the benefits of running water. They actually pumped water from a well while they had no toilet to use (They had to use an outhouse).
Later that day while showing off some of their cattle, my aunt Rosey deliberately commenced to pick up some manure from a fresh pile so that she could smear it all over me. Being from the sophisticated city of Dallas (actually I was from Garland) I was simply horrified! As she continued smearing the pooh on me, she argued that not all manure necessarily smells bad. Horse dung actually smells better than cow manure; while, the stench of pig crap is indeed horrible and should be avoided at all cost. I now realize just how right my aunt Rosey was and I thank her today for teaching me about the differing odors of crap. The sophisticated notion that all crap smells bad is only a sign that our culture has lost touch with past ancestors who worked hard to learn how to grow things.


This is like the Twilight Zone "Do DO Do DO ... Do DO Do DO"

[MisterNifty]

This is getting really strange.

I bet they would substantiate my argument that not all manure smells bad. I still have fond memories of traveling after church with my uncle John to go to the the county livestock auctions. The blend of horse dung and cow manure there was certainly heavenly and it lended well to the overall ambience of the experience. What is so strange about talking about farmers? This is the south. There are still farmers living around the DFW area who grow food. I find their work fascinating.

[MisterNifty]

this is my favorite thread ever . You have no idea what you are talking about except when it comes to the fecal matter of farm animals. Awesome. As for the city of dallas, if a person whos grandma rubs crap on him says this city is headed for the dumps, PLEASE!!!! TAKE ME TO THE DUMPS!!!!

My grandmother lived in Oak Cliff and attended school with either Bonnie or Clyde. I forget which one. She was raised in the swamps of Louisiana and certainly was a real person. Certainly a great American. I think that is the topic of this thread here. Just what is a real American?

[MisterNifty]

Wow. That was five minutes that I will never get back. Thanks you Markypants for inserting much needed humor.

Wow. It took you 5 times as long to read my post as it did for me to type it. Thank you very much for your consideration.

[MisterNifty]

MISTER "Nifty"

Greetings from East Dallas where the entire huge area east of Central Expressway covering Fair Park to Lake Highlands over to Mesquite (otherwise known as MLS Area 12) where the median home price is now more expensive (even with some ungentrified areas) than Plano and nearly all other suburbs.

If you look at the price per square foot it is way ahead of Plano and Frisco and just above Colleyville. It is only a few dollars less than Westlake and Soutlake. The only higher priced areas are Park Cities and North Dallas.

- a snob who lives around White Rock Lake...HA!

My therapist has been suggesting that I try to be more honest posting in these forums and this is the reason that I made the comment about the snobs who live around White Rock lake.
In regards to the huge ghetto just east of the balconies of uptown, I agree with you that there are some a few large houses. I didn't realize that the neighborhood compares favorably with those in Plano. Still those houses are only about 1 or 2 stories tall with no balcony -- not to mention that they are outside of the really hip area of uptown. I actually prefer Oak Cliff to East Dallas myself because it is quite beautiful and has lots of nifty junk yards and discount stores to shop at. It also has a more diverse culture of blacks and Hispanics living there.

[MisterNifty]

Thanks for the olfactory edification.

They didn't even do that on Green Acres!

Is this a statement made while under the influence of a stream of consciousness? I really like James Joyce and pretend to like him often. We like to perform streams of consciousness in a lot of our therapy sessions and they are indeed fun. Here are some of my consciousnessesses that I pulled out about the uptown experience during my last session.

Uptown!
Sienfeld!
A place about nothing!
A show about nothing!
Weird stores!
Weird people!
A lot of 13 to 17 story buildings~!
Half the size of Houston.
Art movie houses!
Alternate lifestyles!
:bhat: :not_ripe: :Banana09: :2pbanana:

Whew!

[MisterNifty]

This is like the Twilight Zone "Do DO Do DO ... Do DO Do DO"

I feel that I am in touch with my ancestors and maybe this is why you find me so strange. My grandfather was raised on a farm and actually got spanked once as a boy for falling off and getting run over by a wagon wheel while his family was moving from Kentucky to California. My father was in management but couldn't wait to get home to put on some work clothes to he could do some menial work. Sorry. I am just not the uptown type. I like getting my fingernails dirty. I like being real.

[DalLove444]

As the suburbs continue to age and develop social governments similar to what Dallas has now, the whole DFW metropolitan area will continue to crumble. I predict this will start happening in about 5 years.
Do you know when the Russian are going to invade?
Or Martians dropping to Earth? :roflmao2:

[DalLove444]

Is this a statement made while under the influence of a stream of consciousness? I really like James Joyce and pretend to like him often. We like to perform streams of consciousness in a lot of our therapy sessions and they are indeed fun. Here are some of my consciousnessesses that I pulled out about the uptown experience during my last session.

Uptown!
Sienfeld!
A place about nothing!
A show about nothing!
Weird stores!
Weird people!
A lot of 13 to 17 story buildings~!
Half the size of Houston.
Art movie houses!
Alternate lifestyles!
:bhat: :not_ripe: :Banana09: :2pbanana:

Whew!
Hey easy does it bud. No need to be anti-urban!

[MisterNifty]

Or Martians dropping to Earth? :roflmao2:

The big dig was a 20 billion plus civil works project to bury some 7 & 1/2 miles of freeway in Boston at U.S. taxpayer expense.
Theory: One day the whole nation of the United States would benefit from the technology acquired to bury a new freeway under an old freeway downtown while it was still being used above.
In other words, backwards engineers in Texas have since learned how to better build freeways in Dallas as a consequence.
Result: In actuality they are still spending millions on that 7 & 1/2 miles of freeway because it has constant leaks in its tunnel while it suffered a recent cave in.
Conclusion: This is the argument used by the city to pump a lot of money into the Uptown area because it will somehow benefit the rest of the city of Dallas.
Prediction: The 20,000 people who live in and around uptown have become addicted to social spending. When the city no longer continues to spend huge amounts of money disproportionately on their little neighborhood the fickle living there will bolt to live in Las Colinas condos.
BBRD! (Bring Back Roller Derby)

[Spjz]

Still those houses are only about 1 or 2 stories tall with no balcony -- not to mention that they are outside of the really hip area of uptown.
Lakewooder, how do you get by? It must be hard living in the slums of Lakewood with all of those social climbing, uptown dwelling, alternative lifestyle living jerks looking down their noses at you from their posh up town balconies! Do you even have a balcony?
I actually prefer Oak Cliff to East Dallas myself because it is quite beautiful and has lots of nifty junk yards and discount stores to shop at.
Mr. Nifty, speaking for at least one Oak Cliff resident, I do NOT live in Oak Cliff due to the proximity of 'junk yards'. Most people in the city would agree that Oak Cliff is experiencing a revival, not unlike that of East Dallas.

New Oak Cliff resident: 'My wife and I just bought a little fixer upper in Oak Cliff. It's right between Bishop Arts and Jefferson Boulevard, but who wants to go there when we can go down to the other side of Loop 12 to all of those junk yards! I just wish we weren't so close to downtown and I can't stand the new UNT campus, the Zoo or the light rail. More junkyards please!

MisterNifty: 'Tell me about it.'

[MisterNifty]

Lakewooder, how do you get by? It must be hard living in the slums of Lakewood with all of those social climbing, uptown dwelling, alternative lifestyle living jerks looking down their noses at you from their posh up town balconies! Do you even have a balcony?

Mr. Nifty, speaking for at least one Oak Cliff resident, I do NOT live in Oak Cliff due to the proximity of 'junk yards'. Most people in the city would agree that Oak Cliff is experiencing a revival, not unlike that of East Dallas.

New Oak Cliff resident: 'My wife and I just bought a little fixer upper in Oak Cliff. It's right between Bishop Arts and Jefferson Boulevard, but who wants to go there when we can go down to the other side of Loop 12 to all of those junk yards! I just wish we weren't so close to downtown and I can't stand the new UNT campus, the Zoo or the light rail. More junkyards please!

MisterNifty: 'Tell me about it.'

America builds the greatest used cars in the world and this great nation needs more junk yards in Oak Cliff to keep them running. Look. There is already 1 area of uptown so why try to build another one in Oak Cliff? Oak Cliff is Oak Cliff ansd should remain Oak Cliff. I think there is something fascinating how the poverty in that neglected part of the city comes together to clash with splashes of neon, sex businesses, discount stores, taco stands, social sexcurity offices. vacant olds K-mart stores and junk yards.
BBRD! (Bring Back Roller Derby)

[MarkL2023]

Oak Cliff isn't becoming uptown. and Oak Cliff now isn't what oak cliff has always been so why would you argue that it needs to stay this way? my mom and stepdad both went to Sunset and were raised in Oak Cliff. My grandparents were raised in Oakcliff. My sister got married in Kessler Methodist. My parents both work at Methodist Hospital. I can safely say that none of them were because of junk yards or taco stands. Oak Cliff is a beautiful area that people want to live in. Sure american built used cars (makes no sense but I'm not gonna touch it) are nice but Oak Cliff has strengths well beyond myriad scrap yards. Try the best view of downtown you can find (fort worth and n. hampton imo). Try actual hills. Easy access to downtown. Moderately priced land with houses that actually have history.

Mister Nifty, with all due respect, this thread is all over the place. One post you are talkin about the aroma of poo the next you are bashing lakewood for not having balconies. We understand that you think Dallas is a rotten apple core but you are complaining about the redevelopment of areas into something nicer. You are saying that uptown is getting all the attention and then saying that oak cliff isbecoming an uptown and it shouldn't.

If possible, can you regrouup your thoughts and clarify a little more so that this thread isn't just circular discussion that leads back to poop.

Also, you said farmers are real. I'm pretty sure you have to work just as hard in capital markets (something I will be going into). All depends on what you like, but jobs are jobs and 90% are real.

[Tnekster]

America builds the greatest used cars in the world

How do you build a used car?

[Lakewooder]

But we do! But we do have balconies (a stream but at least I'm conscious)!

Authentic Clifford Hutsell balconies:

[Spjz]

But we do! But we do have balconies (a stream but at least I'm conscious)!

Authentic Clifford Hutsell balconies:

Pathetic! How could anyone live in such a wretched abode?!

http://www.postproperties.com/ApartmentHome/PropertyInfo.aspx?PropertyId=Post%20Uptown%20Village&Type=PAH

There, much better.

[MisterNifty]

Oak Cliff isn't becoming uptown. and Oak Cliff now isn't what oak cliff has always been so why would you argue that it needs to stay this way? my mom and stepdad both went to Sunset and were raised in Oak Cliff. My grandparents were raised in Oakcliff. My sister got married in Kessler Methodist. My parents both work at Methodist Hospital. I can safely say that none of them were because of junk yards or taco stands. Oak Cliff is a beautiful area that people want to live in. Sure american built used cars (makes no sense but I'm not gonna touch it) are nice but Oak Cliff has strengths well beyond myriad scrap yards. Try the best view of downtown you can find (fort worth and n. hampton imo). Try actual hills. Easy access to downtown. Moderately priced land with houses that actually have history.

I will agree with you that Oak Cliff is a beautiful area with real people who will stop to give directions to a lost tourist. This is not true of uptown.

Mister Nifty, with all due respect, this thread is all over the place. One post you are talkin about the aroma of poo the next you are bashing lakewood for not having balconies. We understand that you think Dallas is a rotten apple core but you are complaining about the redevelopment of areas into something nicer. You are saying that uptown is getting all the attention and then saying that oak cliff isbecoming an uptown and it shouldn't.

Exactly, Markypants. Why can't Dallas be Dallas? The city of Dallas at one time prided itself on digging out ditches, fixing pot holes and deligently collecting garbage. It was a city that didn't flood like Houston did because it had great drainage. Now the city is going to hell all for the sake of uptown. I'm not the only one making this argument. The Dallas Morning News already funded research and posted conclusions supporting the claim that the city of Dallas is just too disproportional in how it is caring for itself. As a consequence a lot of traditional foundations that were once taken for granted and countesdare now eroding away.

If possible, can you regrouup your thoughts and clarify a little more so that this thread isn't just circular discussion that leads back to poop.

I see that you disagree with my aunt Rosie's notion that not all crap necessarily smells bad.

This thread isn't circular at all, Markypants. I'm just talking about other parts of town other than uptown and people in this forum are not used to that. A lot of the responses in this thread are quite small and I have tried answering them as intelligently as possible.

Also, you said farmers are real. I'm pretty sure you have to work just as hard in capital markets (something I will be going into). All depends on what you like, but jobs are jobs and 90% are real.

I agree with you that we all work hard. I just like farmers even though they are generally thought of as backwards, uneducated and prejudice. I think this makes me unique.

[MisterNifty]

But we do! But we do have balconies (a stream but at least I'm conscious)!

Authentic Clifford Hutsell balconies:

If it isn't too personal, do you ever go out onto your balcony and how is the view up there on the second floor? Can you see the vast ghettos of Oak Cliff or deep South Dallas from up there? I bet a lot of uptownites don't even go out onto their balconies because they are too afraid of heights. They probably just claim that they peer out onto the plight of the surrounding poverty.

[downtownguy25]

I see that you disagree with my aunt Rosie's notion that not all crap necessarily smells bad.


What about Kopi Luwak? Last I heard this "crap" is going for over 100 a pound.

[MisterNifty]

What about Kopi Luwak? Last I heard this "crap" is going for over 100 a pound.

I'm drinking some Kopi Luwak right now. I have never drank a richer cup of coffee. "Sip"

[Lakewooder]

If it isn't too personal, do you ever go out onto your balcony and how is the view up there on the second floor? Can you see the vast ghettos of Oak Cliff or deep South Dallas from up there? I bet a lot of uptownites don't even go out onto their balconies because they are too afraid of heights. They probably just claim that they peer out onto the plight of the surrounding poverty.

Many of those Hutsell homes have views of White Rock Lake. And if you don't see that you probably see some very interesting historic homes, your neighbors walking the dog or the VAST canopies of trees...

[MisterNifty]

Many of those Hutsell homes have views of White Rock Lake. And if you don't see that you probably see some very interesting historic homes, your neighbors walking the dog or the VAST canopies of trees...

White Rock Lake is wonderful. What a surprise it must be for tourists to drive upon such a beautiful feature of the city! If only the people living around the lake could be nicer. While taking my 2 sons to the observation area to look at its unique dam, they were alost run over by arrogant bikers. One would swear they owned the lake. Is the lake owned by the people who live around it or is it owned by the city of Dallas? They certainly didn't like the fact that I was visiting there. What if I had of been a common tourist from a third world country rather than just a Texan who does a lot of manual labor? Doesn't Dallas want poor people from third world countries visiting their city? Perhaps these arrogant bikers simply hate pedestrians? Doesn't the city need more pedestrians?

[St-T]

^Why hasn't MisterNifty been banned yet?

[warlock55]

Where's Serious Cat when you need him??

[MisterNifty]

^Why hasn't MisterNifty been banned yet?

Why should I be banned from this forum when I'm just having a polite discussion with my beloved forum members? I need this venue because it is my life thread!
It helps keep me centered. Please help me learn how to behave in here. Teach me.

[trolleygirl]

^Why hasn't MisterNifty been banned yet?

Because he's provided minutes- yes, minutes- of entertainment.

Hey just because the guy (gal?) is bi-polar, on disability, underemployed, has too much therapy and recently started for his (her?) Master's of Liberal Arts degree doesn't mean that he (she?) should be banned......he/she has a lot of time on his/her hands to explore all these new thoughts and ideas and has found a place to air them on an online discussion forum. And we are obviously willing participants in this crazy- yes, CRAZY- diologue.

[downtownguy25]

People have been banned for alot less. Hell some memebers have even been banned after one post.

[MisterNifty]

Where's Serious Cat when you need him??

First we have to ask ourselves the question, "what is an uptownite?" Well, an uptownite is someone who will never allow themselves to be used as the butt of a joke. They always demand to be taken seriously. If you want to know the opposite of an uptownite, the inverse if you will, you will have to go on the other end of downtown to the area called "Farmer's Market." Here you will find people who are never taken seriously because they are always willing to laugh at themselves. These uneducated people are the very end of the butt because they are depicted as naturally prejudice, they perform daily the menial task of growing food and they often marry their cousins. Yet outside of the homeless and the mentally ill, these backwards, southern people are the only ones left in society who are willing to laugh with everyone else about themselves. I have a dream that one day no one will allow themselves to be the butt of the joke. We will all live in a perfect world of equality without humor.

[hamiltonpl]

White Rock Lake is wonderful. What a surprise it must be for tourists to drive upon such a beautiful feature of the city! If only the people living around the lake could be nicer. While taking my 2 sons to the observation area to look at its unique dam, they were alost run over by arrogant bikers. One would swear they owned the lake. Is the lake owned by the people who live around it or is it owned by the city of Dallas? They certainly didn't like the fact that I was visiting there. What if I had of been a common tourist from a third world country rather than just a Texan who does a lot of manual labor? Doesn't Dallas want poor people from third world countries visiting their city? Perhaps these arrogant bikers simply hate pedestrians? Doesn't the city need more pedestrians?

Bikers own the lake in fee simple. The rest of us are only squatters. I saw it in a deed. At Lee Harvey Oswald's house. In Russia.

The voices. They tell me things. Strange things. Not very nifty. About you.




Yes.




You.

:wideyed1:

[MisterNifty]

Bikers own the lake in fee simple. The rest of us are only squatters. I saw it in a deed. At Lee Harvey Oswald's house. In Russia.

The voices. They tell me things. Strange things. Not very nifty. About you.




Yes.




You.

:wideyed1:

I am a firm beleiver that too much air conditioning is bad for ones sense of reality. I recommend getting out more in the heat. Try rolling down the windows in your car. Use less overall air conditioning. Sweating is not nexcessarily a bad thing. People used to sweat all the time back before they had air conditioning.

[hamiltonpl]

I am a firm beleiver that too much air conditioning is bad for ones sense of reality. I recommend getting out more in the heat. Try rolling down the windows in your car. Use less overall air conditioning. Sweating is not nexcessarily a bad thing. People used to sweat all the time back before they had air conditioning.

I too am a steadfast believer in sweat-equity. Not only does a lack of air conditioning lead to more sweat, it is also a way to seal off potential hazards from outside.

It is widely known that air conditioning vents are the typical means by which the Illuminati transfer the mind-altering toxic gas into both our cars and homes. I have shut off all the vents and covered my head with a protective aluminum sheild.

Henceforth, please call me MisterSweaty.

P.S. They're still talking.



P.P.S. About you.



P.P.P.S. :2offair:

[MisterNifty]

I too am a steadfast believer in sweat-equity. Not only does a lack of air conditioning lead to more sweat, it is also a way to seal off potential hazards from outside.

It is widely known that air conditioning vents are the typical means by which the Illuminati transfer the mind-altering toxic gas into both our cars and homes. I have shut off all the vents and covered my head with a protective aluminum sheild.

Henceforth, please call me MisterSweaty.

P.S. They're still talking.




P.P.S. About you.



P.P.P.S. :2offair:

Did you happen to read my prior post about how the mentally ill, the homeless and the poor southern people allow themselves to be used by others as the butt of jokes? I know that I can always depend on my friends in therapy. Can you say the same? The homeless will always laugh at anything for a buck. They are truly cool people. Poor southern people always have a foot in poverty and that is what makes them so wonderful. BBRD (Bring Back Roller Derby)