Fort Worth - Museum Place in Cultural District

[Fort Worthology]

Museum Place is a large multiblock mixed-use urban development now underway in the Cultural District. The development grows from the big University/Camp Bowie/West 7th/Bailey intersection and is right next to the Modern Art Museum and the Kimbell Art Museum. It will cover 11 acres.

The project will feature 173,000 square feet of ground-level retail space, 130,000 square feet of Class A office space, a hotel (likely an Aloft, judging by the renderings), 40 purchasable condos, and 500 rental apartments. In addition, it will feature a new Post Office designed by Venturi, Scott Brown, and Associates.

Renderings:

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The buildings containing office space:

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The Post Office:

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Work underway:

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[Geaux Tigers]

Holy crap. That intersection is already a bitch. I can't wait to see what the city plans to do to help with the traffic there (light rail, anyone?)

[Fort Worthology]

It has been confirmed - the Museum Place hotel is an Aloft. We have gotten official confirmation on this, after months of rumors indicating that direction. (So if you've been reading Fort Worthology, you're ahead of the game. :) )

Meanwhile, the first building is underway:

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Several other blocks are being demolished now as well. Here's one - this Texaco will be replaced by a glassy Flatiron-style office building with ground-floor retail. The island had already been demolished when I took this photo:

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These first two buildings are shown in this rendering:

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Here is the site plan, for the curious:

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[FoUTASportscaster]

Good work thank you. FWology, this looks like a very dense development. What are the plans to integrate transit into the neighborhood?

[gc]

Awesome. This will be done right.

[sterling]

I continue to be proud of everything Ft. Worth is accomplishing. I'll add this to the list of "can do" things that are fast making Ft. Worth the new "be there" city of North Texas.

[MarkL2023]

I continue to be proud of everything Ft. Worth is accomplishing. I'll add this to the list of "can do" things that are fast making Ft. Worth the new "be there" city of North Texas.

Oh please. The rest of the country sees us as the same city. Let the rivalry pass guys. Its pointless

[sterling]

Oh please. The rest of the country sees us as the same city. Let the rivalry pass guys. Its pointless

It was a compliment and has nothing to do with rivalry. No need to read between the lines. I say what I mean, and I mean what I say. Simple as that.

[tamtagon]

It was a compliment and has nothing to do with rivalry. No need to read between the lines. I say what I mean, and I mean what I say. Simple as that.

Ya, you've never been one to stoke the booster club wars. Marky probably doesnt know that though.

I agree that Museum Place will make one of my favorite Texas neighborhoods better. I'm all excited about the announced addition to the Kimbell, I wish it would hurry up.

[Fort Worthology]

The Texaco is gone - that didn't take long. The Flatiron building will rise on this site. The historic building behind it will *not* be torn down - it will instead be integrated into the development, with its parking lot being converted to a new road with on-street parking.

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The first building is on its way.

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Finally, fencing is at last up on the site of the new Post Office.

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[Kelley USA]

Thanks for all the photos! Good job Fort Worth!

[Dallas Fan]

This is a good move for fort worth, proof that you dont always have to build up to make an impact.

[freewaytincan]

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[msutton]

Wow, good eye here UL... That's kind of odd.

Does look like a great development, though. I'll be very happy when both Fort Worth and Dallas have several areas of dense urban development -- especially if development continues along these routes, leaving each city with pretty distinct styles, and unique districts, that make DFW as a whole a more interesting place to wander around on a visit.

Is this about, what, twice the size of the original west village? Or are the renderings deceptive?

[Fort Worthology]

Is this about, what, twice the size of the original west village? Or are the renderings deceptive?


I'm not super familiar with the history of WV, so somebody else would need to answer that one. You talking acreage, square footage? Museum Place is 11 acres.

[msutton]

Acreage, yeah, I should have specified. I'll see if I can find the acreage of the original West Village.

[Fort Worthology]

I've put together a block-by-block walkthrough of the project - I'm glad to see all the plazas, and the "raised intersections with special paving" look interesting.

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[Fort Worthology]

As we watch the first two buildings now getting underway at the big Six Points intersection...

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...another part of Museum Place that I have neglected to cover is already going vertical.

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According to the documents I have, this is a live/work complex, set up for ground-floor retail with attached apartments above in classic New Urbanist live/work style. A great addition to this neighborhood. Also note the new Ken Schaumburg-designed Village Homes townhome development already complete on the right. Museum Place is already attracting more density.

[Fort Worthology]

Cranes at night for the office/residential/retail building at the big intersection (I have also seen on Museum Place's site plans that this building has a space marked "cinema").

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Meanwhile, the first building is topping out.

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[Fort Worthology]

Rolling forward...

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Now closed, the Wreck Room awaits its date with the demolition crews as Museum Place moves ahead with its construction.

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The site where the Texaco used to be at the big intersection has been cleared for the construction of a glassy Flatiron-style office building with ground floor retail.

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With its cranes in place, the office/residential/retail building at the big intersection between 7th & Bailey has started rising from its site. With its location, this will be a very prominent building, not only at the big intersection but from farther down 7th towards downtown. It should have a commanding spot in the streetscape.

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Work has now gotten underway on the new Post Office at the big intersection between Bailey and University. The tornado-bent poles that will form the centerpiece of the Post Office’s plaza have been temporarily removed so as not to interfere with construction crews.

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The nearby existing Post Office will be demolished for another large mixed-use building.

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The first Museum Place building, on the north side of 7th at Arch Adams, topped out recently, and crews are adding what appear to be steel beams to the building now. Having not seen a rendering of this building, it will be interesting to see its finished appearance.

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The building on Camp Bowie that formerly house Auto Restyling Center, Inc. and Pro Cuts looks to be next in line for demolition, as Midwest Wrecking has already parked a trailer on the site. It will be demolished for another mixed-use residential/retail structure. This is on the west end of the development - virtually everything between here and the big intersection is being demolished for Museum Place.

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The cranes watch over the Wreck Room and 7th Street Barber Shop, all of which will be demolished for the development.

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Domain and Backwoods will also be demolished (as will the office building to the west) and replaced with new mixed-use residential/retail structures and an Aloft hotel. Backwoods looks to be moving to the Shops & Lofts at So7, down 7th to the east.

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Finally, the historic retail structure near the big intersection between Camp Bowie and 7th (home of the Great Outdoors sandwich shop) is virtually the only building in the development site that will not be demolished. It will, however, be integrated into the development - the building will not be changed, but its parking lot (seen above) will be converted into an extension of Barden Street, and will feature on-street parking.

[Fort Worthology]

Here's a nifty update. Deep in the heart of Museum Place is this awful 7-11 behind a parking lot:

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I'd been thinking that, since this was getting demolished, that 7-11 was just going to leave (the 7-11 is being demolished for a large mixed-use building).

Turns out, 7-11 is moving into Museum Place.

So it turns out that this building...

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...is where the 7-11 is moving to. It will have condos above. The 7-11 is going to be reworked into a "corner store" type of place, and guess what - I've been able to get ahold of a couple of renderings of the finished product. I believe some small details have changed since these renderings, but this should give a pretty good idea of what this little building will look like. I think they've done a fantastic job of integrating the 7-11:

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[Geaux Tigers]

Well that's cool.

[Fort Worthology]

Just a couple of updates - the big retail/office/condo building between 7th & Bailey is already going vertical. They're moving quickly:

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I've also been able to get ahold of a newer rendering of the Flatiron-style building going onto the triangular plot where Camp Bowie and 7th split:

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[Fort Worthology]

An update:

Here's an update on the Museum Place urban infill project going on across the street from the Modern and Kimbell museums in the Cultural District, around the big 7th/University/Camp Bowie/Bailey intersection, just outside downtown to the west.

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The big building, One Museum Place, continues marching skyward. The building will feature ground-floor retail, office space in the middle, and two floors of condos on the top.

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The site of the glassy Flatiron-style building across the street has now been cleared and prepped. Work should be underway soon on this new building, which will feature ground-level retail under multiple floors of office space.

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The nasty old stripmall where Pro Cuts and Auto Restyling Center were located has now been flattened. This site will be home to a mixed-use building featuring ground-level retail under residential space, surrounding a hidden parking structure and interior courtyards.

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This small building at the back, home of the first confirmed Museum Place retail tenant, is nearing completion. The ground floor will be a 7-11 corner store (replacing the conventional 7-11 across the street, which will be demolished for more mixed-use development), and the upper floors will be condos. You can also see some new infill townhomes on the right side of the photo.

Here's an updated overview of the project's layout:

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[gc]

very nice....thanks for the updates.

[Phillip]

This will be great. Everything around the museums has thus far been underutilized and is way outdated for the cultural sophistication of the area. The businesses across the street from the Modern and Kimbell look completely out of place. This will integrate the museums into the surrounding neighbourhood better. Or should I say, integrate the surrounding neighbourhoood into the museums better.

I can't wait to see the Flatiron-like Building. Fort Worth actually has a mini historic Flatiron on the west side of Downtown. One of my favourite buildings there. Anyone see the shot of the real Flatiron in I Am Legend?

[Sky Time]

those is coming along quickly

[Fort Worthology]

This retail plan leaked out not long ago:

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Of the names listed, one (7-11) is confirmed, and one (Backwoods) is incorrect (Backwoods has moved to a new location just down 7th Street from Museum Place). The rest are unconfirmed.

[Phillip]

Holy sh*t, those are some high-end names! I didn't know if those kinds of stores would ever make it to Fort Worth. J.Crew? Anthropologie? Z Gallerie? bebe? Luby Lu? La Duni (a Dallas favorite)? Apple store? West Elm? Geez...that's great! :-)

[elmstreetdallas]

Per Fort Worthology's post (at the bottom), all of the names on that site plan (except 7-11) are unconfirmed.

[vman]

^^^
Yes from what I understand, that retail lineup on the site is more of a wish list. It is looking good though.

[Phillip]

Per Fort Worthology's post (at the bottom), all of the names on that site plan (except 7-11) are unconfirmed.
Whoops...I was too busy looking at the dreamy site plan to even see those words at the bottom. :2lol:

[Fort Worthology]

Another retail tenant confirmed. The corner of 7th & Bailey (marked as "Jasper's" on the above map) will be home to Eddie V.'s Edgewater Grill. Mentioned in the PR also announcing the Aloft Hotel:

"(Fort Worth) - Champ Hospitality in Carrollton will develop a 140-room aloft hotel as part of Fort Worth's upscale Museum Place development. The aloft hotel, a Starwood Hotels and Resorts property, will be built between Camp Bowie Boulevard and Seventh Street, with the main entrance on Arch Adams. Construction is scheduled to begin in the spring 2008, with opening set for fall 2009. Museum Place Development Group has also negotiated a lease contract with Eddie V's Edgewater Grille for the development. The new restaurant will occupy 10,000 square feet at the corner of Seventh Street and Bailey Avenue."

[jefffwd]

Thanks for all the updates Kevin!!! Keep the tenants coming. Eddie V's is excellent! Nice addition to north Texas.

[Fort Worthology]

A few updates with photos taken on a nicer day. First up, Museum Place.

One Museum Place rises, on its way to eight stories.
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Work is underway on the new Post Office.
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One Museum Place again.
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Work underway on the glassy Flatiron-style building.
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One Museum Place.
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Not technically Museum Place, but nearby - up 7th, the Hilltop condos are getting their stucco.
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Looking back down 7th towards downtown. This view will be radically different by later this year.
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The Museum Place 7-11 Corner Store/condo building nears completion.
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[gc]

great photo update. thanks!

[freewaytincan]

This has probably already been said, but what is the existing building that is being incorporated next to the flatiron?

[Fort Worthology]

The existing building behind the flatiron site is a historic retail structure that dates from around 1928. It is one of only two such retail structures still existing in Fort Worth - the other is just south of downtown near Harris Hospital.

[John T Roberts]

Not to take away from the thread topic or to have the thread go astray, here are a couple of photos of the "historic" retail building that will be surrounded by Museum Place. Although the building is not a part of the development, plans call for Barden Street to be extended through the center's parking lot.

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[noelamador]

lovely building. i'm glad it's being incorporated into the development.

[elmstreetdallas]

What a fantastic building! Good thing it's not in Dallas or that sucker would be bulldozed into oblivion.

[aygriffith]

What a fantastic building! Good thing it's not in Dallas or that sucker would be bulldozed into oblivion.

...Only after years of people not shopping or eatting at the establishment in it. Only to have to people of Dallas not understand why it was torn down. :uhoh:

[elmstreetdallas]

Yea thanks for clarifying that for all of us uniformed Dallasites.

[John T Roberts]

The actual building is not part of the development, only the brick parking lot is scheduled to be turned into a street. I think it is actually an easement. At one time, the developers tried to purchase this builidng and incorporate it into the development, but the negotiations forthe sale failed. The builidng owner then tried to protest the construction of the 4 story flatiron shaped building in front of it, claiming that it blocked the view of his building from the intersection. Even though this building is still standing, I would say that it may start making "endangered" lists because of development pressures.

[FoUTASportscaster]

...Only after years of people not shopping or eatting at the establishment in it. Only to have to people of Dallas not understand why it was torn down. :uhoh:

Funny how most other cities find a way, but good ole boy Dallas developers can't.

[aygriffith]

Funny how most other cities find a way, but good ole boy Dallas developers can't.

Sometimes when reading your posts I wonder why you live in Dallas at all... Dallas will never be a city that embraces urban populism like you would like it too. Sorry, I know you carry alot of e'clout within this forum but its just kind of repetative dribble that you post most times. The cities of Dallas & Ft Worth and the developers that invest their time and money within them shouldn't have to appologize to those who have no vision for the city other than to revel in its past. Things only remain relevant for moments in time, you can't always drag that moment on forever...

But anyways, this is an awesome development! If I was daring enough to move to tarrant county I would probably live here and only here. Way to go Cow Town!

[Geaux Tigers]

If I was daring enough to move to tarrant county I would probably live here and only here.

Aw shucks! My house here in Keller has indoor plumbin' and me and maw are hoping to get the electricity sometime next year. :pipe:



Posted on Wed, Jan. 30, 2008

Downturn can't faze Cultural District projects

By MITCHELL SCHNURMAN
Star-Telegram Staff Writer
Some real estate projects are so good they expect to shrug off any bad news, even an industry meltdown.
Museum Place near downtown Fort Worth has been five years in the making, and it's coming to market at an inopportune time -- with recession in the air, real estate in rapid retreat and credit in a bind.

The tough environment has commercial projects nationwide on edge. This month, the developer of a massive casino on Las Vegas' strip went into default after lenders refused to refinance a $760 million note.

Museum Place has no such worries. The 11-acre development north of the city's famed museums in the Cultural District plans to open its first small building in about a month. A much larger, eight-story office, retail and residential space is scheduled to be completed by summer, with the entire $200 million project slated to be finished by the end of 2009.

Museum Place already has financing in hand for its current construction, and it's confident about securing future funding.

"Banks are still in the business of lending money, even in so-called soft times, and great projects with great locations win," says Tony Landrum, a co-developer.

Landrum is best known for turning a tornado-ravaged skyscraper into The Tower, a residential high-rise in the center of downtown Fort Worth. He joined Museum Place last year, long after owner Richard Garvey had conceived of a development that would play off the world-class museums and complement them.

"My family has been in Fort Worth for almost 50 years," Garvey says, adding that he plans to hold onto the office and retail portions of the development. "We're trying to do something good for us, but we're trying to make the city better, too."

That's easy to believe when you see Museum Place's architecture. Each block was designed to stand alone, so the project wouldn't look as if all the buildings were created at the same time, and they go to great lengths to reinforce the sense of place.

One building's flatiron design, for example, has reflective glass on one side, to mirror the images of the Modern.

The project's signature civic building is a new post office that's as distinct as the neighborhood itself. It will sit on a prominent corner at Bailey Avenue and University Drive, inviting residents to take a look and pay a visit.

The sweeping, modern glass building will have a mural of Texas storm clouds with some unique art in the front --the remnants of a billboard structure twisted by the 2000 tornado that hit Fort Worth.

Venturi, Scott Brown and Associates of Philadelphia designed the post office, and it adds to the great architecture in the area -- and speaks to the painstaking care taken in the entire project.

Museum Place is one of several developments that are turning the West Seventh corridor into one of the hottest real estate areas in the county. Montgomery Plaza and So7 are already in place on opposite sides of the street, closer to downtown and the Trinity River.

A new project, West Seventh, is similar in scope and ambition to Museum Place and has been started around the old Acme Brick headquarters, across from the new post office site.

Phillip Poole, an architect and developer who lives in the area -- and helped with Museum Place -- estimates that more than $700 million has been committed to the corridor in recent years, along with a healthy dose of public help.

"We're actually going to have a true urban village here," Poole says.

It's an extension of the same idea that's fueling residential development in downtown Fort Worth and in downtowns around the country. The notion of a single place to live, work and play is a refreshing antidote to urban sprawl and long commutes, but it can be elusive to develop.

It's almost two miles from the Cultural District to the Central Business District, without a lot in between. But if more buildings are closer to the street and flecked with retail and restaurants, people will have reason to walk from one location to another. And talk of a light rail line or modern streetcar are intensifying.

West Seventh, being developed by an affiliate of The Staubach Co., plans to have a large theater, so the museum area alone will have its share of entertainment and activity.

Museum Place is designed for pedestrian traffic, including the millions of visitors who go to the museums and Cultural District. They'll be drawn to restaurants, unique retail shops and an Aloft hotel. The project also includes a public plaza in the center, with wide walkways and shade trees.

Landry compares it to the Legacy development in Plano or to Southlake Town Square, in that major investments were made all at once. But those developments primarily require you to drive to them and then walk around.

Many more people live within walking distance of the museums already, with many residences to come. Museum Place will have 43 condos and 490 apartments, all atop retail and office space. Hundreds of additional new residences will be coming along West Seventh and in downtown Fort Worth.

From 2005 to 2010, downtown alone is projected to add almost 3,000 apartments and condos, and they'll be competing with the additions on West Seventh. So far, demand has been strong and rents high.

"Overbuilt?" says Marshall Boyd of real estate company Williams Trew. "More like overdue."

[vman]

Sometimes when reading your posts I wonder why you live in Dallas at all... Dallas will never be a city that embraces urban populism like you would like it too. Sorry, I know you carry alot of e'clout within this forum but its just kind of repetative dribble that you post most times. The cities of Dallas & Ft Worth and the developers that invest their time and money within them shouldn't have to appologize to those who have no vision for the city other than to revel in its past. Things only remain relevant for moments in time, you can't always drag that moment on forever...


I'm in total agreement. I must be the polar opposite of Sportscaster. I lived in Fort Worth before moving to Dallas. DTFW was just cute to me, nothing spectacular or "big city urban". Not to slight FW but I found most everything built there mostly dull. I admired what DALLAS was doing..actually becoming a true urban city. Fort Worth has a plethera of old buildings not necessarily because there's a campaign to save them. But the city never boomed the way Dallas did and continues to do. There was less interest in putting anything new up. I'm not slighting FW because I am very fond of the city. But these new developments on W7th are similar to ones Dallas and other cities put up years ago. Hell, aren't Mockingbird Station and West Village approaching the decade old mark?? And these developments here have mass transit compenents. FW is still playing catchup, IMO. Besides, the amount of urban development in FW is just a blip on the radar compared to what's going up in Dallas.

I got off track, but I guess what I'm trying to say is instead of staying in a city that was lacking so much of what I wanted, I moved a mere 30 miles to a city that was to my taste. Why (Sportscaster) stay in a city that is lacking so much and doing everything wrong when there's one doing so much right ( in your opinion) just 30 miles to the west? Seems like a no-brainer to me.

[ericthegardener]

I got off track, but I guess what I'm trying to say is instead of staying in a city that was lacking so much of what I wanted, I moved a mere 30 miles to a city that was to my taste. Why (Sportscaster) stay in a city that is lacking so much and doing everything wrong when there's one doing so much right ( in your opinion) just 30 miles to the west? Seems like a no-brainer to me.

I hate this kind of argument every time I see it, the whole "love it or leave it" thing.

I think that it's pretty obvious that FoUTASportscaster loves Dallas and he is dedicated to making it the best that it can be (in his opinion). I've never thought that loving a city (or country) meant that you had to accept its faults without question. This is what people do, fight to make things better.

Now, what you or I consider to be faults may be totally different, but we also have every opportunity to help change things to the way we want them.

Cheerleading has its place, but so does criticism.

[elmstreetdallas]

Very well said Eric!!

FoUTASportscaster is a die-hard Dallas advocate.