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RobertB
06 June 2007, 11:26 AM
The DMN headline is pretty boring, so I made up a more sibilant version for the thread. :)

Starbucks rare in southern Dallas
09:06 AM CDT on Wednesday, June 6, 2007
By KAREN ROBINSON-JACOBS / The Dallas Morning News
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/060607dnbusstarbucks.365ef52.html

At Illinois and Westmoreland, near bustling taquerias and the occasional pawnshop, sits a novelty for Dallas' less-than-affluent southern sector – a Starbucks.

The quintessential symbol of yuppie trendiness remains a rarity in this wide swath south of Interstate 30, where incomes are generally lower and crime often higher than in many neighborhoods to the north.

Starbucks' Web site shows only 11 of its pricey coffeehouses are south of Interstate 30 and within a five-mile drive of southern-sector residents. And only four of those are actually in the southern sector; the rest sit in wealthier nearby cities such as Duncanville, DeSoto and Mesquite.

Meanwhile, the brew abounds north of I-30. Folks who live in the trendy Uptown area just north of downtown can choose from 38 Starbucks within five miles. Other north-side ZIP codes contain as many as 43.

"I noticed it immediately when we first moved down here. ... It was like you couldn't find a Starbucks," said Pete Cosens, who moved from solidly middle-class Addison to southern Oak Cliff in November.

"When I was living in Addison, it became a thing where there was almost one on every corner." In fact, his old neighborhood to the north boasts 28 nearby.

Starbucks won't talk about any plans for adding to its south-side roster. But many residents here seem ready to welcome the chain, along with the chance to splurge on one of modern life's little luxuries, a $4 fancy cup of coffee.

"I'm very happy this is here," Cesar Rodriguez said recently as he drained the last drops of a Caffé Americano at the new West Illinois Avenue Starbucks, which opened in 2006 just two minutes from his home. "It's so comfortable here. You can take a coffee and surf the Internet; that's a big difference" from less expensive coffee shops.

Long a rarity


Before 2001, finding a Starbucks south of I-30 in Dallas was impossible.

The first one on southern soil opened in March 2001, seven years after North Dallas got the first local shop, at Creek Village in Plano. The southern Dallas store came with an assist from basketball-star-turned-entrepreneur Earvin "Magic" Johnson.

The store co-owned by Mr. Johnson, at Camp Wisdom and Highway 67, is part of his Urban Coffee Opportunities program – a joint venture with Starbucks that has brought more than 70 outlets, mostly to poor neighborhoods such as Chicago's South Side.

Starbucks doesn't deny its north-centric presence in Dallas.

"Our growth has been toward the northern part of the metroplex, you can't deny that," said Gaye Magee, Starbucks' marketing manager for Northern Texas and Oklahoma.

'Transitional' areas


But she hinted that may soon change. "I know South Dallas is a part of the community that there is a focus on," she said, declining to give additional details.

In fact, the number of Starbucks outlets in "transitional" neighborhoods such as the southern sector is on the rise – albeit slowly.

As gentrified tracts draw suburban coffee lovers like Mr. Cosens to homes closer to the heart of the city, and as competition heats up for the premium coffee dollar, observers predict that Starbucks will increasingly be heading to the 'hood.

"McDonald's and Dunkin' Donuts, they might be more aggressive in South Dallas," said Jim Murdoch, a professor of economics at the University of Texas at Dallas. McDonald's added premium coffee to its metro-area menus in March 2006.

And Dunkin' Donuts, which now sells a high-end brew, announced plans last month to open up to 125 D-FW restaurants over the next seven to 10 years.

Such incursions, said Dr. Murdoch, will probably prod Starbucks to compete.

"Starbucks would probably be aggressive in taking them on," said Dr. Murdoch, who has studied development in the southern sector.

The chain has 175 company-owned locations in the Dallas-Fort Worth area – 176 counting the Magic Johnson partnership. An additional 105 stores are run by licensees and are inside other venues, such as groceries and big-box stores.

That brings the Dallas-area total to more than 280, according to Ms. Magee. There are about 10,000 Starbucks nationwide.

Ms. Magee declined to give sales figures comparing the southern sector stores with their northern counterparts, or to say whether southern sales differed.

But Starbucks is hardly the only major retailer eschewing the city's southern side. Mr. Murdoch cites a 2006 study that showed a dearth of grocers as well.

"Retailers left South Dallas [due to their perceptions of] too much poverty, too many other social issues, and the perception that there is no money to be made," said Edward Rincon, president of the Dallas-based ethnic markets research firm Rincon & Associates. "They probably see very little profit potential."

But, he added, that's changing. "You're seeing more retailers moving to those areas now."

Pinnacle Park


A nascent restaurant quadrant – including a Starbucks – is developing at Interstate 30 and Cockrell Hill Road. The Starbucks opened in December 2005, following other pioneers near Oak Cliff's Pinnacle Park development, a retail draw in the southern sector launched in the late 1990s. The 900-acre site had been home to a cement plant.

Brinker International Inc. opened its 1,000th Chili's Grill & Bar outlet across the street from Pinnacle Park in 2004. Whataburger (also in 2004), Panda Express (February) and IHOP (another 2007 arrival) are other occupants near the heavily trafficked corner.

Meanwhile, Starbucks Corp. announced a kind of sea-to-sea blanketing last October. The company raised its long-term global expansion goal to 40,000 stores from 30,000, including up to 20,000 haunts in the U.S.

Some of those stores are likely to find their way to neighborhoods like Araceli Servin's.

Ms. Servin visits the Pinnacle Park Starbucks, three miles from her home near Illinois Avenue, two or three times a week.

"Before, I had to go to Duncanville," Ms. Servin said in an English/Spanish mix. "This is more close. ... I was a lot excited when it opened."

While polishing off a mocha drink in a tall paper cup, the woman said she suspected Starbucks might be hesitant to locate stores in areas "with Hispanic people."

"It's expensive," added her pal Rosario Benavides, "but I like it."

At $3.45 for a grande (16-ounce) mocha or $4.20 for a venti (20-ounce) frappuccino, Starbucks is not a blue-light special.

But, says stock analyst Sharon Zackfia, "It's the lowest-ticket luxury item on the planet."

Ms. Zackfia, with investment house William Blair & Co., sees price as no major hindrance to the company's expansion into more diverse areas.

In fact, Starbucks said it has already broadened its customer base – with more Hispanics, women, and less affluent and less highly educated customers buying its coffee, according to Reuters.

Many of the Magic Johnson sites are in heavily black neighborhoods. Plus, places like the Pinnacle Park store are beginning to profit from suburban transplants such as Mr. Cosens.

"This area is just beginning to go through a rebirth," said Mr. Cosens, predicting that more Starbucks will come. "There are people that have moved here. I know they have a habit just like I do."

"The economics of an area do matter," said Joseph Michelli, author of The Starbucks Experience. "You have to have a sufficient number of people who can afford your product."

But, as Ms. Zackfia said: "There are very few people that can't afford a $4 latte once in a while."


Staff writer Dave Levinthal contributed to this report.

Milkman Dan
06 June 2007, 11:28 AM
The map that accompanies the article is very telling.

Kelley USA
06 June 2007, 11:34 AM
Can't the same be said for many other businesses? It's a bit like saying how many Mi Cocina's are in the southern sector or how many Barnes & Nobles are in the southern sector.... I would think that issues like crime, income etc... play roles in determining where businesses locate.

elmstreetdallas
06 June 2007, 11:42 AM
What's FAR more surprising to me is that there's not a Starbucks anywhere near the West End.

The Sixth Floor Musuem is the number one tourist site in Dallas and there are people in Dealey Plaza literally 24 hours a day.

Wonder why no Starbucks in the area? Seems crazy to me.

rantanamo
06 June 2007, 12:38 PM
I-30 and Woodall Rodgers. The great psychological barriers.

Tierdallas
06 June 2007, 02:30 PM
If people in Dallas know that the southern sector is underserved why dont people bring the area up instead of these compare and contrast articles. Is Dallas really that divided.

sasquatch69
06 June 2007, 02:51 PM
Tier, the answer to your question is that news sources generally aren't supposed to play the role of civic booster. Instead, they take a more analytical approach, hence the "compare and contrast" stories like you mentioned.

TexasStar
06 June 2007, 03:56 PM
The important thing that seems to get overlooked in all this is that things are changing. The pace of retail development in the south has been accelerating steadily over the past couple of years. The sprawling center at I-30 and Cockrell Hill has now spilled over to the opposite side of the interstate. You should see the wonderful retail center at Illinois and Westmoreland that is about to open a new Appleby's. And don't forget the new regional center at Hwy 67 and Belt Line Road.

The article goes out of its way to paint a dismal picture of retail in the south. Of course, it's not like the North, and probably shouldn't be. But, it's definitely getting better.

LakeRidge
06 June 2007, 04:41 PM
Honestly, the lack of corporate retail in the southern sector is what I like most about the southern sector. The lack of investment by corporations has allowed many unique mom and pop type businesses to thrive.

rantanamo
06 June 2007, 04:46 PM
Its still a psychological barrier, even in the suburbs. Doesn't matter where people work, they'd rather live in Prosper or Anna than Forney or Red Oak even if the latter are much closer to work. You just don't have that kind of difference without there being something to it.

Razorback
06 June 2007, 04:55 PM
As a former franchise restaurant site selection professional, I can tell you that this site selection by an out of town company has very little to do with psychological barriers and everything to do with simple numbers in demographic reports.

Pick a corner, define a trade area polygon and then count heads and incomes.

Find a polygon on the map or a 2 mile radius in which the numbers click, and you start looking for a spot to buy or lease.

There may be a local psychological barrier, but using Starbucks as an example of that psychological barrier isn't ideal.

There are locally based people in on the decision making process, but ultimately, someone in a corporate office in Seattle has the final say as to when and where the next Starbucks is built.

tamtagon
06 June 2007, 06:13 PM
South Dallas is the next ?

Developers which put that psychological barrior to work as a cultural advantage will cash in. South Dallas County is on the brink of a developmental expansion similarly scaled to that which occured during the Northern rush. While it may be a decade or more (if ever) before the white-flight mentality of first ring Northern suburbs begins to diminish and more reflects the disposition of a more ethnically diverse population, South Dallas County build-out will have no choice but to be guided without many of today's identified and measured social bigotries. It will be interesting to follow along as new social bigotries manifest, but those will be a little different, you know, whatever.

All of those theories of social change aside, the difference between North and South Dallas ...ummm.... dispositions most likely will [I]not be altered very much simply because the careers availible in each part of town will appeal to different socio-demographic segments.

aceplace
06 June 2007, 06:32 PM
The article makes a good point that a Starbucks latte is not a bigbucks expenditure. It's well within the buying power of almost all the DFW demographic. So Starbucks is finally realizing what business they're really in?

Lakewooder
06 June 2007, 06:38 PM
To me no Starbucks is a good thing.

dtdresident
06 June 2007, 06:45 PM
Its still a psychological barrier, even in the suburbs. Doesn't matter where people work, they'd rather live in Prosper or Anna than Forney or Red Oak even if the latter are much closer to work. You just don't have that kind of difference without there being something to it.


You know, you are 100% right about those psychological barriers. My parents recently (2 years ago) bought a house out in The Colony. It is a newer home (build in last 8 years), great neigborhood, and located a lot closer to some work areas than Lewisville, Frisco, Plano, Little Elm, etc. However, on a per square foot basis, this subarb is priced $20 cheaper than surrounding areas like Frisco and Carrollton. It's amazing to me that people think that way and sacrifice their own $$$ and convenience for these barriers!

texman
06 June 2007, 08:02 PM
Can someone post the map?

And when is the Magnolia Starbucks going to stay open past 2pm on Saturdays and Sundays? Thats the closest one to me:(

AeroD
06 June 2007, 09:14 PM
The hell with Starbucks. South Dallas has Beckley Brewhouse, Opening Bell and Nodding Dog.

Quiz03
06 June 2007, 10:11 PM
Corpus Christi only has one free-standing Starbucks

sogod
06 June 2007, 10:37 PM
Honestly, the lack of corporate retail in the southern sector is what I like most about the southern sector. The lack of investment by corporations has allowed many unique mom and pop type businesses to thrive.

I agree with you, the fact that you can't find a job there is super :)

Tierdallas
06 June 2007, 10:45 PM
The Sourthern sector sure could have used the Toyota plant. But anyway can someone start a thread just for the Southern Sector or is there one.

RobertB
07 June 2007, 10:43 AM
The Sourthern sector sure could have used the Toyota plant. But anyway can someone start a thread just for the Southern Sector or is there one.
I tried to find one for the original posting, but didn't see anything general. I suspect this thread may become the official Southern Sector thread. It's so sibilant!

Tnekster
07 June 2007, 12:20 PM
There is a southern sector retail thread.

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/showthread.php?t=3141&highlight=retail+south+dallas