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hamiltonpl
08 February 2007, 11:00 AM
The Magic Kingdom
Looks to Hit the Road
Walt Disney Co. Ponders
Spinoffs of Theme Parks;
Pirate Resorts, Wine Tours
By MERISSA MARR

February 8, 2007; The Wall Street Journal (http://www.wsj.com); Page B1

Ever since Walt Disney opened Disneyland in 1955, Walt Disney Co. has rarely strayed from his original vision of what a theme park should be. But at a top-secret development unit these days, the company is plotting a new spurt of theme park expansion that goes well beyond its traditional model of luring people to Disney resorts in Florida or California.

Disney is hatching plans to take its theme-park experience to the masses, rather than the other way around. Instead of building more big parks, the company is sketching out a string of niche resorts and attractions around the world. That could include such things as stand-alone, Disney themed hotels in cities and beach resorts, Disney branded retail and dining districts, and smaller, more specialized parks.

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A sketch for a possible Disney-themed retail and dining district in an urban center; the project is an idea and isn't planned yet.

In the near term, the company is using the Disney name to expand in other areas of the travel business. For example, it is ramping up an operation called "Adventures by Disney," in which travelers pay for guided Disney tours to popular destinations including Italy and Ireland. The company also plans to build its presence in time-share vacation homes in places like the Caribbean. And it is bulking up its popular cruise line, with more Disney ships in the cards.

"Instead of saying where will the next Disneyland be, we need to think more in terms of where around the world we can deliver an immersive experience appropriate to the size of the market," says Jay Rasulo, chairman of Disney's theme park and resorts business. "Not every market can support a full-on Disney location."

The expansion comes after a long stretch of rebuilding in the wake of 9/11. Only recently has Disney's theme park business returned to the 20% margins seen before 2001. After the success of last year's global campaign pegged to the 50th anniversary of Disneyland, a big question has been what the theme parks will do next.

Mr. Rasulo says his strategy is aimed at tapping into a burst of growth in the travel market, particularly in the Asia-Pacific region. Branching outside of Walt Disney's theme park vision isn't without risk. Disney has tried it before and in some cases, failed. It closed an indoor, interactive theme park project called Disney Quest in 2001 that drew sparse crowds in Chicago. Its children's play center, Club Disney, shuttered two years earlier after failing to sustain an initial burst of interest.

Mr. Rasulo, who took over as head of the parks in 2002, says his division learned an important lesson from those ventures: they made the mistake of trying something that didn't already have an established consumption pattern.

As Disney began thinking about a new strategy, it conducted research on why people go to Disney's parks. Among the conclusions: people wanted to experience Disney in places other than the parks.

Disney set to work sketching out some ideas. One concept is to create stand-alone versions of the Downtown Disney dining and shopping districts or resorts like the BoardWalk at Walt Disney World, which includes a hotel, clubs, arcades and other entertainment. An alternative is building a resort around an attraction like an indoor water-park or a theme like pirates or princesses. Another approach is building a family version of a casino, without the gambling.

A big focus will be Asia. Japan, for instance, has an insatiable appetite for everything Disney but already has two parks. While a third park in another part of the country is unlikely, adding a boutique attraction could theoretically be possible.

One issue is how to avoid cannibalizing existing parks with such attractions. Disney says the goal is to give guests in new markets a taste of Disney with the hope of driving them to the bigger parks. With guests at the domestic parks visiting on average every four years, the thinking is that the smaller attractions will also serve existing guests between visits.

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Sketch of pirate-themed resort -- one idea Disney is considering.

Another challenge is tailoring the niche attractions to local markets while keeping the Disney brand intact, something that has proved challenging with Hong Kong Disneyland. Mr. Rasulo says there are no firm plans for any projects yet, with such ideas still in the conceptual or "blue sky" stage.

More concrete are plans for the cruise lines. Mr. Rasulo says that business could double in the next few years, with a "few more cruise ships." Disney has been waiting for better contract terms and prices before going ahead with more ships, although it is likely to approve some soon. Disney Cruise Line now accounts for between 5% and 8% of the division's $10 billion annual revenue.

After quietly experimenting in the guided-tour business, "Adventures by Disney" is meanwhile rolling out 12 itineraries in North/Central America and Europe, with two guides leading groups of up to 40 people.

"It's not Mickey Mouse goes to the mountains," says Ed Baklor, who heads the Adventures business. "Instead we're telling a local story with local characters." The "Spirit of America" tour of Philadelphia, Washington, D.C., and Williamsburg, Va., for instance, includes meetings with local characters like Benjamin Franklin. The trips also try to entertain both adults and kids: On the Tuscany trip, adults go on a wine tasting while kids do a gelato tasting.

The "Adventures" project raises a question: if the tours don't feature Mickey Mouse, why will families want to go on them? Scott Lerman, CEO of brand consultancy Lucid Brands says a big part of what guests expect from Disney is "fantasy," rather than "authenticity" and "reality." Disney says it believes its selling point is offering a family vacation with the safety and quality of the Disney brand as well as Disney-quality guides. They argue the story doesn't need to be Disney to be "immersive."

Mr. Baklor notes that each trip includes some Disney "magic." One of example of that is on the London/Paris trip, which includes VIP tickets to Disney's "Mary Poppins" stage show and a backstage tour afterward.

Disney's time-share business, Disney Vacation Club, is also plotting new locations. Outside of Florida, the company may consider locations such as California, Mexico and the Caribbean, says Mr. Rasulo. It could take several years for such new ventures to really move the needle, however.

Disney will work its traditional theme parks harder. It has a second, full-scale park in China in its sights. That won't happen before 2012, though. Recent changes in local government have slowed discussions in Shanghai, and Mr. Rasulo says they are "waiting to re-engage when a new government is appointed."

Write to Merissa Marr at merissa.marr@wsj.com1

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GuerillaBlack
08 February 2007, 04:47 PM
How about Houston. I think they could succeed there. San Antonio may bring them too much competition.

RobertB
08 February 2007, 04:54 PM
I wonder if, somewhere behind the scenes, struggling Six Flags' owners are whispering sweet nothings in Mickey's big ol' ears?

texman
08 February 2007, 05:39 PM
A realtor of Centex's Artesia development (n Prosper) kept telling my uncle that Disney was going to announce a new park during the Super Bowl: Disney World Texas. She was probably trying to sell homes, but rumor has it there are some massive (1000 acres+) land purchases going on north of 380.

RobertB
08 February 2007, 05:57 PM
A realtor of Centex's Artesia development (n Prosper) kept telling my uncle that Disney was going to announce a new park during the Super Bowl: Disney World Texas. She was probably trying to sell homes, but rumor has it there are some massive (1000 acres+) land purchases going on north of 380.
1000+ acres doesn't sound like a theme park -- just a small development. Compare with Craig Ranch -- I don't know how many acres the guy bought, but it stretches all the way from Frisco to McKinney, so I'd guess it's in the neighborhood of 10,000 acres (640 acres per square mile * >15 miles).

Not that Disney would be aquiring anything equivalent today, but the original land purchased for Walt Disney World Resort in Florida was said to be (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney_World_Resort) 30,000 acres -- the size of San Francisco or Manhattan.

texman
08 February 2007, 06:00 PM
1000+ acres doesn't sound like a theme park -- just a small development. Compare with Craig Ranch -- I don't know how many acres the guy bought, but it stretches all the way from Frisco to McKinney, so I'd guess it's in the neighborhood of 10,000 acres (640 acres per square mile * >15 miles).

Not that Disney would be aquiring anything equivalent today, but the original land purchased for Walt Disney World Resort in Florida was said to be (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney_World_Resort) 30,000 acres -- the size of San Francisco or Manhattan.
Oops, I forgot a zero in there. And I meant multiple land purchases too.

PGKPS
08 February 2007, 11:24 PM
Jeeze people have been talking about "Disney" buying land east, west, north and south of Dallas or Ft Worth for the last 20 years and nothing has happened yet.

Now the concepts that are in the WSJ article is what we don't want to Happen to Deep Ellum but could happen in a heart beat or a run of a bulldozers blade.

DallasStar
09 February 2007, 09:08 AM
The article also said the parks or entertainment and retail districts would be smaller, so 10,000 or 1000 acres would not be neccessary, look at Victory its on only 72 acres.

ajmstilt
09 February 2007, 10:08 AM
Does Dallas need a Disneyland tho...

What benifits would it bring? what drawbacks?

...now if could have gotten that superconductingsupercolliderthingiemajig.

cowboyeagle05
09 February 2007, 10:38 AM
The rumor I heard about Disney buying land here was they were buying in Paris Texas. If they were to build any size park that would create a large draw as the above article denounces I would support a TRE like train direct to the park from Union Station maybe or DFW. A Disney Train ride from Unio Station or another Dallas station could allow current hotels in the area to provide hotel rooms and as the park were to develop Hotels would naturally build around the Disney Park but i don't see any of this happening though so I wont put my dreams on it.

St-T
09 February 2007, 11:11 AM
Yeah, right... Paris? LOL

rantanamo
09 February 2007, 02:17 PM
Yeah, right... Paris? LOL


Why not? When DisneyWorld was built it was in a place far from the Tampa St. Pete area as Paris is to Dallas. So the distance is about right. Orlando wasn't as big as it is now, so Paris could be that next place. Far fetched, but not so different from what they did with their biggest park.

urban_bearkat
10 February 2007, 02:57 AM
People in Montgomery (50 miles north of Houston, well, 20 if you measure from the north end of the sprawl) have been convinced for the past twenty years or so that Disney is going to build a park there. The "craze", I suppose you could call it, extends everywhere.

I do have to ask one thing though...do we really need The Mouse "Disney-fying" (read: sanitizing) vacations to Europe? One of the biggest reasons I enjoy traveling is to see real life as it exists elsewhere...but I have a hunch the Disney tour of the canals of Amsterdam would be eerily similar to the Jungle Cruise.

PGKPS
10 February 2007, 09:00 AM
Hey Tigger could do the Red Light District Tours in Amsterdam!

RobertB
10 February 2007, 10:04 PM
Hey Tigger could do the Red Light District Tours in Amsterdam!
Because their tops are made out of rubber (http://www.pooh-corner.org/tigger_lyrics.shtml)?

JBB
11 February 2007, 12:29 PM
At one time, there was a website devoted to the vast number of Disney land purchase rumors in the state of Texas. Not a single one of them has ever panned out. Based on the variety of locations I remember from that site, Paris, TX would fit right in. I tried looking for the site using Google and struck out.

sterling
12 February 2007, 04:39 AM
I like that the article infers that Disney is looking to do more than just more megaparks. Though I'm not for a "total" urbanization of downtowns and stand alone venues as envisioned by Disney, no one has done more research about pushing people's fun and relaxation buttons. Lord knows downtown Dallas would benefit from a little of their pixie dust. And Disney can't stay about thrill rides and cartoon costumes forever. Gaylord and it's neighboring waterpark hotel are more the direction I think we'll see in the U.S., and I think that might be quite interesting. I certainly hope Texas will figure into their future "imagineering".

antoinekhuu
14 February 2007, 07:51 PM
Fact or Fiction: Disney's Eyeing North Texas
By Connie Gore Email this story | Printer-friendly | Reprints
http://www.globest.com/news/843_843/dallas/152932-1.html
Celina, TX(For more retail coverage, click GlobeSt.com/RETAIL.)
CELINA, TX-The buzz from an urban legend has quieted down with Super Bowl XLI and its hype relegated to the history books. The outstanding question still is whether or not it's fact or fiction that Walt Disney Co. has 12,000 to 15,000 acres under contract in northwestern Collin County.

About every two years, the Disney rumor circulates in North Texas. The last time, it was Kaufman County to the southeast. The rumor's frequency has created a culture of skeptics in economic development circles while brokers, sticking true to their profession, are jousting for position should it pan out.



Nonetheless, everyone's heard the recent chatter; the advice was lay low to see if the deal was announced Super Bowl weekend, as predicted, or shortly thereafter. The question still lingers, thanks to Disney's 2007 investors' conference which aired dreams of several "Blue Sky" concepts--development strategies for regional resorts, niche parks and retail, restaurant and entertainment complexes.
"These are ideas that could be executed domestically or overseas," Jay Rasulto, chairman of the Burbank, CA-based Walt Disney Parks and Resorts, recently told analysts and shareholders. "But, they won't be executed at all if we don't believe they would generate the return on invested capital that we expect to achieve from our businesses."

Texas' major economic development wins are credited to a business-friendly atmosphere, Central US positioning for easy coast to coast travel and the deep pockets of the state's enterprise fund. Celina is positioned midway between the region's top-growth cities of Frisco and McKinney and 40 miles from Downtown Dallas, a corridor boasting higher average annual incomes as more elite residential developments come on line where dirt is cheap and abundant.

From an economic development perspective, Ray Smith, president of the City of Prosper's EDC, says "my personal opinion is some landowner is trying to close some deals." Not only has he too heard the buzz, but he also knows land speculation is practically a daily occurrence in the far northern tier due to the expansion path of the Dallas North Tollway.

Land wheelers and dealers in the far north sector say it's too early to fully dismiss the rumor. "It's who we're hearing the rumors from this time," says one broker who asked to remain anonymous. "There seems to be more validity this time based on the people who are talking about it."

From Disney's perspective, Rasulto says the company mission is to "position itself for strong growth for the next decade and beyond." The "imagineers" are evaluating the merits of taking existing business lines from proven successes at Disneyland and Disney World and creating stand-alone facilities like regional resort properties near major metros, niche retail, restaurant and entertainment complexes or even a theme mix to act as a revitalization catalyst for the right downtown.

Disney's research shows 71% of the travel business goes to a major US city while 29% head to a theme park, one-third to golf or beach destinations and one-fourth to the outdoors or a national park. One idea being kicked around is to expand its "Grand" hotel brand into metros, where Disney has found "hotels are lacking theme, storytelling and great details" that it provides at its park properties.

Rasulto adds not all "Blue Sky" concepts will come to fruition, but all are being evaluated. The one certainty is it will take a major metro, like Dallas/Fort Worth, for the dream to come true.

DFW
14 February 2007, 11:16 PM
Disney coming to North Texas? Yes Disney is rumored to acquired 12,000 to 15,000 acres of land.

http://www.globest.com/news/843_843/dallas/152932-1.html

Geaux Tigers
14 February 2007, 11:49 PM
^Interesting read. I'll believe it when I see it. Could just be Jerry Jones or Hillwood gobbling up all that land in anticipation of future growth.

clipper
15 February 2007, 09:30 AM
This rumor has been around since the 1980s. Locations change with every telling - Waco, Tyler, Waxahachie, Argyle. The tale helps pump up land values in those places for a bit. The reason the Celina talk doesn't make sense is you are not going to build a huge entertainment venue in a location miles and miles from the nearest Interstate. Folks have to get there.

mikedsjr
15 February 2007, 09:34 AM
I definitely think Disney could make some inroads into the hotel business. Disney Styled theme hotels would be awesome and a hit.

I'm a diehard Disney fan and basically a kid at heart. So I'm heavily biased.

mrowl
15 February 2007, 10:30 AM
this rumor always pops up. The same rumor is in San Antonio right now. Don't see it happening.

Lionel Hutz
15 February 2007, 11:42 AM
Maybe they can build it near the Trump Tower.

gshelton91
15 February 2007, 12:28 PM
I think the city of Dallas should jump on this... do a deal with Disney and the Zoo... dart almost provides a direct link with the Conviention Center... and eventually both Airports...

They could do a big hotel with an affrican theam and a connection and expantion of the zoo... even some water rides and other rides as part of a minor theam park...

GuerillaBlack
19 February 2007, 02:07 PM
I have heard rumor of Disney in Huntsville, Katy and Sealy. Large land purchases has happened in all of those areas. Who knows where Disney will build next.

tamtagon
19 February 2007, 02:37 PM
If North Texas gets one or more new urbanist, mixed use, Disney Storybook Themed town square living centers, I would love to see one along State Highway 180 in Grand Prairie. SH 180 is the perfect choice for infrastructure innovation/rennovation to incorporate another TRE commuter rail line between Downtown Dallas and Downtown Fort Worth AND bring Arlington and Grand Prairie into the realm of public transportation.

Who really knows what Disney is planning, but should Grand Prairie, Dallas, Fort Worth and Arlington put together a tourist/commuter train route (fast-tracked with money from TxDOT) which connects the downtown amenities of Dallas and Fort Worth, and Arlington's stadiums & amusement parks activities, the potential to locate in Grand Prairie another major SouthCentral US tourist destination is exceptionally favorable. It's a big stretch from Disney speculation to regional cooperation which wrangles TxDOT $upport for a new train route, but stranger things have happened.

tamtagon
05 June 2007, 11:09 AM
The Magic Kingdom Looks to Hit the Road

By MERISSA MARR

February 8, 2007; The Wall Street Journal (http://www.wsj.com); Page B1

...Instead of building more big parks, the company is sketching out a string of niche resorts and attractions around the world. That could include such things as stand-alone, Disney themed hotels in cities and beach resorts, Disney branded retail and dining districts, and smaller, more specialized parks.

This is one type of development Arlington needs schooched in with Glorypark.

I've always thought this is the kind of thing Six Flags could persue with it's Warner Bros. connection, too.

mikedsjr
05 June 2007, 11:34 AM
That would seem odd, but I would take it. Warner Bro Theme Park near Disney Themed Hotel.

How about Disney take over Six Flags. :)

rantanamo
05 June 2007, 04:37 PM
Until I see Grapevine in one of these articles, I don't believe anything will happen.

NThomas
03 July 2007, 02:46 PM
Hell while we're at it, Let's build it in Denton! UNT students could have tons of job opportunities, and the access to both Dallas & Fort Worth by I-35E & I-35W is perfect. Then TWU could change it's mascot from the Pioneers to the Mouseketeers!

Geaux Tigers
03 July 2007, 06:08 PM
I think I even read on SSP about Disney building a park in Joplin, MO of all places. Some "mysterious company" was buying up huge chunks of land around town. What an overblown rumor!!