Dry versus Wet boundary lines

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Does anyone know the boundary lines for dry versus wet areas in North East Dallas, do you? Or where I might find a map?

[WhiteRockFan]

I don't know if there's a map but for the city of Dallas, anything east of White Rock creek is dry and anything west is wet.

[monogodo]

Usually you can tell where the boundary is by the plethora of liquor/beer stores right at the transition. For example, all of the liquor stores around the Skillman/Abrams intersection.

[Insidetheloop]

Does anyone know the boundary lines for dry versus wet areas in North East Dallas, do you? Or where I might find a map?

What specific intersection or neighborhood?

NE Dallas has dry, wet and damp areas. Damp meaning you can only buy alcohol in restaurants. NE Dallas has the most dynamic combo of all 3 out of anyhwere in the metroplex.

The TABC used to put out a map but since the lines and such have been redrawn so many times I think they have given up on it.

There is alot of history involved in this that goes back to old towns that no longer exist, locations of church congregations, freedmans towns, large tract property owners etc. It gets messy.

The worst area though was Far North Dallas in the late 80's and 90's. You could only purchase beer and wine in restaurants, which required a Unicard membership. To buy beer, wine and booze you had to go all the way to the liquor stores on Inwood in Addison.

Wet and Dry areas are what really built up and shaped Addison's restaurant row and what kept many well known restaurants on Greenville and out of Lake Highlands. Sorta shaped the whole dining scene as we know it today.

[grantboston]

^Kinda like the former city of Buckingham. Richardson is (or was) a dry town, but annexed/incorporated Buckingham to allow legal alcohol sales within "Richardson." There are therefore a few liquor stores off Spring Valley and Renner/PGBT.

[sogod]

I thought Buckingham was towards the 635 and 75 intersection, not PGBT and Renner?

[Random Traffic Guy]

Buckingham is in southern Richardson, down along what is now Buckingham Road. The ones up along PGBT are in Plano...

[trolleygirl]

I think the current boundary for East Dallas is White Rock Creek/Lake. Everything on the east side if the creek is dry and just on the west shores of the creek are the liquor/beer stores. I think is true on both upper and Lower White Rock Creek. Not sure about damp areas. I thought that all had to do with who paid to get a liqour license. Although I think there is some extra zoning process or community input that one must go through to obtain one in a dry area.

[psukhu]

Will Dallas ever be 100% wet?

The good news is that it seems like the metro area as a whole is becoming more wet as time goes on.

[Insidetheloop]

Will Dallas ever be 100% wet?

The good news is that it seems like the metro area as a whole is becoming more wet as time goes on.

Oak Cliff is dry...and that's a good thing. Keeping all the liquor stores at arms length across the Trinity on Industrial Blvd keeps the natives from getting restless.

[Geaux Tigers]

I know here in Keller we have a drive through beer & wine store. Nothing like the drive through daquiri stands we had back in Louisiana, but I'll take it.

[trolleygirl]

If we were 100% wet, then it would equalize the distribution of the beer stores. And, in my opinion, would sperad out the concentration of bums hanging around and building their homeless encampments in my neighborhood. I'm less than a mile from LWRC and the bums are living in the thickets along the west banks of the creek. Then I look at border areas, like Samuell Blvd and its full pf prostitutes and just these really scary people and I think that meybe they wouldn;t all concentrate there if it were 100% wet in Dallas.

Thoughts???

But I have heard that the big liquor lobby (The Red Coleman's in particular) in the State would never allow for the dry areas to become wet because they have such a monopoly of those areas that it would lower their overall market share. I would think that if they were smart business people, the opposite would be true, but I don;t have a business degree, so maybe I'm missing something. Anyway that was the rumor that I heard.

[sogod]

The whole city could go 100% dry too. Seems like that would solve your problem (possibly moving the bums and prostitutes to other wet cities to boot) :)

[ksig121]

I loved living in the San Francisco Bay Area in California and being able to buy bread and booze in the same spot. My vodka was cheaper and I didn't have to deal with going "across the birdge" (as my dad calls it) to get my liquor. It seems a lot safer.

Additionally, I think that these wet buffer zones between neighborhoods helps to feed a lot of the misconceptions about neighborhoods in the Southern sector of the city. Often times, the farthest that people from up north would go into these neighborhoods is the liquor store that is along the way. They then form their opinion about an entire area based on the wet area that borders it. (Those of you that live in Oak Cliff and have friends that are afraid to visit from other areas can probably verify this.)

[mikedsjr]

I know here in Keller we have a drive through beer & wine store. Nothing like the drive through daquiri stands we had back in Louisiana, but I'll take it.

I try to keep to the far side of the road as the cars come out of it. Just never know.

[Haretip]

Wet/Dry areas are a function of the county government. At this time, Dallas County does not have a comprehensive map available (which sounds like they need to get on the ball and produce one). The City of Dallas has a blueline copy of the county's map available to copy at $6.00, but it is not current (still shows Duncanville as dry, etc.) and does not show the additional City of Dallas restrictions. Apparently the city has zoning restrictions on wet/dry in some cases. A more current/thorough zoning map is available as part of the Zoning DVD available from the city for $22.75

I am disappointed at the city for not having this information readily available on their interactive WEB GIS maps. I am extremely disappointed with the County GIS department not releasing any wet/dry maps. Do we need to get a FOI request to get a stinking public map? C'mon Dallas County, get it together.

Anyone who wants contact info on where to get the City of Dallas maps, please PM me and I will give you telephone number and name of the lady who handles these requests.

[Lakewooder]

I agree with TG, especially about Samuell -- if Far East Dallas and Mesquite were to go wet, then this scourge bordering one of the largest parks in Texas might be redeveloped as the liquor stores and no-tell-motels disperse...

[WhiteRockFan]

I agree with Lakewooder and others that Dallas should be 100% wet. I'm not advocating having liquor stores right next door to schools but don't see a problem beer, wine and even liquor being sold in grocery stores. I have been in various parts of the country where this is possible. In Florida, I have seen liquor stores attached to grocery stores - a separate entrance/exit but attached to the greater building.
It would certainly cut down the concentration of stores along the WRC dividing line and the inherent problems that come with it!

[warden62]

I agree with Lakewooder and others that Dallas should be 100% wet. I'm not advocating having liquor stores right next door to schools but don't see a problem beer, wine and even liquor being sold in grocery stores. I have been in various parts of the country where this is possible. In Florida, I have seen liquor stores attached to grocery stores - a separate entrance/exit but attached to the greater building.
It would certainly cut down the concentration of stores along the WRC dividing line and the inherent problems that come with it!

Some Costco locations in Texas have this concept (where the city allows).... a liquor store attached to the Costco with a separate entrance/exit. It's greatness. They have really cheap liquor in mass quantities.

[trolleygirl]

Maybe one day when I get on the City Council, I'll work on this........

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Some Costco locations in Texas have this concept (where the city allows).... a liquor store attached to the Costco with a separate entrance/exit. It's greatness. They have really cheap liquor in mass quantities.

Off topic, but when is Dallas getting a Costco?