Saggy pants

[Boredkid]

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[Boredkid]

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[WestTexan]

I would love to see this pass

I'd love to see Bill Blaydes focus his seemingly unending supply of hot air on an issue that really matters. He actually argued today that baggy pants negatively impact the city's ability to attract new business. Yea right, slow job growth in Dallas has nothing to do with the fact that we have the most ineffective political body that has ever existed. Blame it on the pants! This story will only serve to reinforce the region and nation's perception that our city government is a joke. Thanks guys for making us look good... again!

Regarding the school district, this should be a non-story. The district should have implemented and enforced a dress code many years ago that prohibited this type of dress.

[Boredkid]

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[TexasStar]

I'd love to see Bill Blaydes focus his seemingly unending supply of hot air on an issue that really matters. He actually argued today that baggy pants negatively impact the city's ability to attract new business. Yea right, slow job growth in Dallas has nothing to do with the fact that we have the most ineffective political body that has ever existed. Blame it on the pants! This story will only serve to reinforce the region and nation's perception that our city government is a joke. Thanks guys for making us look good... again!

It's a good thing our city government isn't nearly as bad as you seem to think they are.

[WestTexan]

^I understand that. The Council considering this issue, as presented by DISD trustee Ron Price, is absurd.

[Schristopher]

I am surprised it has gotten this far. A few weeks ago another group was talking about this exact same thing. How to ban saggy pants?! The only dilemma was if they suggested the ordinance people would play the race card. I guess problem solved. A black guy suggested it so no race card. Plus just about everyone I know wants this banned. http://www.myfoxdfw.com/myfox/pages/pollP44Question 86% of people voted in favor of a ban on Fox 4 poll.

[LakeRidge]

This is absurd. Isn't there already a law against indecent exposure. How can people stand behind the decision to legislate the way adults dress. If I want to wear boxer shorts or a speedo down the street I should be able to as long as I am not exposing myself. What about people jogging around the street in jogging shorts. Those seem more revealing than saggy pants. What about sports bras? Should we pass legislation against tight Wranglers also? To me, the outline of a penis seen clearly through a pair of jeans is more offensive than an ass crack. Plus, tight Wranglers have negative impact on reproductive health.

Let's outlaw tight Wranglers!!

[tamtagon]

Didnt the same kind of thing happen when women started wearing miniskirts?

[drumguy8800]

Someone might be taking "Bible Belt" a tad literally.

[Insidetheloop]

Sagging pants got their start in the prison system. Inmates are not allowed to wear belts and their pants are often one-size-fits-all. The "shuffle" step you also see kids strutting around with emulates the same action of a prisoner who is wearing leg shackles. Since young kids are easily impressioned...they emulate their older uncles, cousins and friends who have done time in prison and picked up this look. A retired prison guard from the TDC told me about this one night at a Mavericks game. He had seats next to me and during a timeout/halftime/break he was commenting on people wandering around. I think it's bizarre and funny.

Originally back in the 1970's when belts were still allowed, this was a prison thing that signified that you were another prisoner's property, ie bitch. Punks were forced to wear their pants this way so it would be easier for their masters to pull their pants down and make them a powerbottom. Somehow this became a 1990's fashion trend.

Pick your poison, as each are pretty lame.

[LakeRidge]

I call shenanigans.
Prisoners wear jumpsuits that are usually orange.
Also, http://www.snopes.com has researched the claim and found it to be bogus.
<a href="http://www.snopes.com/risque/homosex/sagging.asp">Here's the link</a>


The trend of sagging pants began when plumbing became a profession. All the bending over that plumbers had to do stretched out their pants. This caused their pants to fit lower on their bodies. As plumbing became a glorious and elite profession many people dressed like plumbers(with sagging pants) to impress others. As young people saw the power and money that people with sagging pants acheived they too started wearing their pants down low.

Now find a link to dispell that...

[Insidetheloop]

I call shenanigans.
Now find a link to dispell that...

From your own link:

"Sagging pants became the behind-the-bars thing thanks to ill-fitting prison-issue garb: some of those incarcerated were provided with clothing a few sizes too large. That oversizing, coupled with the lack of belts in the big house, led to a great number of jailbirds whose pants were falling off their arses. (Belts are not permitted in most correctional facilities because all too often the lifeless bodies of their inmate owners have been found hanging from them."

[Boredkid]

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[KBilly]

Geeez... sagging prison pants... emulating their relatives as if they've all been crooks... lotsa water... lotsa gas... no drought... no proof... what a bunch of unlinkable malarky. :rolleyes:

Pull that gross finger out of Dirk's nose, post the chick from that pic instead, and get to posting facts... :cool:

[Insidetheloop]

Geeez... sagging prison pants... emulating their relatives as if they've all been crooks... lotsa water... lotsa gas... no drought... no proof... what a bunch of unlinkable malarky. :rolleyes:

Pull that gross finger out of Dirk's nose, post the chick from that pic instead, and get to posting facts... :cool:

If the world is such a mystery to you Kbilly, maybe you should expand your horizons and check into the mysteries of the universe using a search engine.

Yes sir, they are emulating the dress, talk and walk of their role model relatives and older friends. They want the look of prison without actually doing the time.

sagging pants=the down low prison "look"

From GQ Magazine, the fashion rag for dorks without a clue:

http://men.style.com/gq/fashion/styleguy/pants/385

Ever seen a fat kid with sagging pants(on purpose) showing off his boxers?

Me neither. It's always young buck on the down low looking twinks.

No one can even argue that it's not a look that started in prisons.

[frankchitown]

I'm guessing that 99.999% of kids who wear saggy pants are because of any of the reasons mentioned above. Its more likely because they've seen it on MTV, and everyone else is doing it. When I was a kid we wore acid wash jeans rolled up at the ankles...and our parents though we were nuts.

[Justin Terveen]

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2314/whocaresnt1.jpg

nazi bullshit...

[AndyIvey]

I was going to write that I could not believe our elected officials are wasting time on this. Sadly, I can believe it. Not only do they debate it, but they also embrace the opportunity to herald its merits from the rooftops.

[TexasStar]

Of course, it's probably unenforceable, but it's a legitimate issue to discuss. It just doesn't look good to see some kid waddling down the street with his underwear exposed. If their parents can't control their children's wardrobe, maybe an ordinance could help.

[Boredkid]

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[grantboston]

Clearly, this is a classic case of treating the symptoms of a problem and not the problem itself. The reason this issue is talked about at all is not because of the negative effects of the pants themselves, but because of the actions of people who typically engage in this kind of behavior.

[warlock55]

Where's an anti-big government Republican when you need one?

[tamtagon]

I'm not really clear on what problems are caused by the saggy pants. If Ron Price et al just dont like the fashionable fad, they should step off. Or, if they really want to make a better society, the next initiative will target unscrupulous business people who would lie to investors. No red power ties and Armani suits.

Proposing legislation to control the way people dress in an effort to have a better quality of life is evidence of an inability to correctly identify problems.

[vman]

I think the whole thing is insane. So Ron Price doesn't like saggy pants...so what. I don't like the the look either, but I realize it's nothing more than a fad. No different than miniskirts, parachute pants, or tyedyed shirts. It effects me in no way other than the fact that I don't like it. I'm smart enought to realize wearing this style doesn't make a person dumb, a thief, or lazy. It's just a style choice, no different than my love of vintage rock tshirts. There seems to be a huge segment of american society these days who have made being offended thier sole reason for existence. Be it clothing, television, language, interracial dating or gay marriage..just because something is not to one's liking and if it doesn't affect you or is harming anyone, what gives you the right to stop people from doing it. Our "free" country is getting less free everyday.

[hamiltonpl]

I don't think this is about saggy pants. Instead, it's about the people who usually wear saggy pants.

An officer must have probable cause to arrest someone. Today, if they see a "thug" with saggy pants they cannot frisk the individual because he has committed no crime simply by looking like a "thug." However, if this ordinance passes, the officer could arrest the individual and frisk him for drugs or weapons. It would give officers the legal ability to stop and frisk more people who merely looked like the stereotypical street thug.

[vman]

I don't think this is about saggy pants. Instead, it's about the people who usually wear saggy pants.


And what type of people would that be? I see just about every race and nationality walking around with saggy pants. My parents live in a upper class area of Sugarland. The white neighbors have teenage sons that have their pants almost to thier ankles as they drive around blaring rap music in their BMWs. I wonder how often they get stopped and frisked. Meanwhile, when my parents first moved there, I was stopped and a cop drew his gun on me, while I was wearing my military uniform. (There's more to that story).

But this being America and all, I already know that when a black kid wears saggy pants he's a thug. And when a white kid wears the same outfit, he's a nice kid going through a rebellious stage.

[LakeRidge]

So we know Ron Price is supporting this ordinance already. What other city council members are supporting this ordinance?


I think this is an election year PR move and I would love to vote against those that show support for this ordinance.

[warlock55]

Well heck, if we're going to start arresting people before they commit any real crimes, let's stop dancing around crime prevention's obvious solution: arrest every male between the ages of 18 and 30. I guarantee that Dallas will be the safest city in the world once they're all behind bars.

[hamiltonpl]

And what type of people would that be? I see just about every race and nationality walking around with saggy pants. My parents live in a upper class area of Sugarland. The white neighbors have teenage sons that have their pants almost to thier ankles as they drive around blaring rap music in their BMWs. I wonder how often they get stopped and frisked. Meanwhile, when my parents first moved there, I was stopped and a cop drew his gun on me, while I was wearing my military uniform. (There's more to that story).

But this being America and all, I already know that when a black kid wears saggy pants he's a thug. And when a white kid wears the same outfit, he's a nice kid going through a rebellious stage.

Now you read my whole post and you know that I didn't say a thing about this being a racial thing. Instead, I said that the police could arrest an individual wearing saggy pants. You know that "individual" does not mean black, white or purple -- it just means "individual." And for the record, I think a white kid who wears saggy pants is a thug.

I'm sorry for what happened to you in Sugarland. It was wrong. But I had nothing to do with it. Individual does not mean "black."

[hookbilledkite]

I know cops like the thugs wearing baggy pants. During foot chases, their pants usually fall to their ankles and they end up tripping over them. Makes for easy arrests.

I personally hate seeing people wear those pants.

[kenc]

Where's an anti-big government Republican when you need one?

Usually on vacation in Crawford or Maine.

[mikedsjr]

After they pass the ban on saggy pants, Dallas needs to make an ordinance that would prohibit landlords from leasing to illegal immigrants, penalize businesses that employ undocumented workers and make English the city's official language.

[grantboston]

^Start another thread for that one, bud. The city council can only handle inane and dimwitted ideas one-at-a-time.

[tamtagon]

Anyone with a bohemien look must be smoking dope. Pass an ordinance so the police can check it out.

Anyone who is hyper and maticulously dressed must be snorting cocaine. Pass an ordinance so the police can check it out.

Anyone in an old muddy pick-up with an NRA emblem must be in illegal possession of a gun. Pass an ordinance so the police can check it out.

Anyone with a sports car must break the speed limit and accelerate excessively. Pass an ordinance so the police can install mph govenors.

[Insidetheloop]

Please Post Reasons Below Why You Like Looking At Young Men's Underwear. Or Ass Cracks. Or Both. In Public.

[incrediculous]

Please Post Reasons Below Why You Like Looking At Young Men's Underwear. Or Ass Cracks. Or Both. In Public.

Are you trying to malign someone as gay on this forum?

That's funny. It won't work.

Gay is the new straight.

[tamtagon]

Please Post Reasons Below Why You Like Looking At Young Men's Underwear. Or Ass Cracks. Or Both. In Public.

If the saggy pants gotta go, then so do the mini-skirts, T-backs and Wonder Bras.

[Columbus Civil]

Please Post Reasons Below Why You Like Looking At Young Men's Underwear. Or Ass Cracks. Or Both. In Public.

Cuz it's hot :D

[incrediculous]

Anyone with a bohemien look must be smoking dope. Pass an ordinance so the police can check it out.

Anyone who is hyper and maticulously dressed must be snorting cocaine. Pass an ordinance so the police can check it out.

Anyone in an old muddy pick-up with an NRA emblem must be in illegal possession of a gun. Pass an ordinance so the police can check it out.

Anyone with a sports car must break the speed limit and accelerate excessively. Pass an ordinance so the police can install mph govenors.

Good post.

When will people realize that sagging is just a fashion trend? It has no substantial value beyond some vague communication of social identification.

There's nothing dangerous, or even objectionable about it. To some it may be perceived as a symbol of disrespect. To others, it's a symbol indicating cultural belonging and inclusion.

So what if there's a correlation between criminal activity and sagging pants? Correlation does not causation make.

[incrediculous]

Cuz it's hot :D

:cheers:

[Insidetheloop]

Anyone with a bohemien look must be smoking dope. Pass an ordinance so the police can check it out.

Anyone who is hyper and maticulously dressed must be snorting cocaine. Pass an ordinance so the police can check it out.

Anyone in an old muddy pick-up with an NRA emblem must be in illegal possession of a gun. Pass an ordinance so the police can check it out.

Anyone with a sports car must break the speed limit and accelerate excessively. Pass an ordinance so the police can install mph govenors.

Dallas put a bicycle helmet ordinance on the books about 6 years ago specifically to target young kids who were selling dope on bicycles. Riding a bike, you coast under the radar unlike a car. That ordinance addressed that. Gave the police a reason to stop a guy on a bike. So there is a history with Dallas passing laws to what you are alluding to.

That being said, I don't believe that anyone wanting the "saggy pance" ordinance was wanting it to shakedown a suspect....its a lewdness issue.

I don't care because I'm insulated from the bulldogged thuggery. I just think it's funny that kids go for the prison twink look.

Rice rockets, nike swoosh decals on cars, hair brushes stuck in afros, wearing clothes backwards, bluetooth cell earpieces, fat chicks in belly shirts, all get the same ironic satire from me. It makes me laugh. Hard.

Insidetheloop,

Wonders if those kids could tie a necktie to save their life

[Insidetheloop]

Gay is the new straight.

Been to a maternity ward lately?

[incrediculous]

Been to a maternity ward lately?

Nope, but I do have a sense of humor.

[incrediculous]

Rice rockets, nike swoosh decals on cars, hair brushes stuck in afros, wearing clothes backwards, bluetooth cell earpieces, fat chicks in belly shirts, all get the same ironic satire from me. It makes me laugh. Hard.

Awww... plaid shorts didn't make the cut?

[vman]

Dallas put a bicycle helmet ordinance on the books about 6 years ago specifically to target young kids who were selling dope on bicycles. Riding a bike, you coast under the radar unlike a car. That ordinance addressed that. Gave the police a reason to stop a guy on a bike. So there is a history with Dallas passing laws to what you are alluding to.

That being said, I don't believe that anyone wanting the "saggy pance" ordinance was wanting it to shakedown a suspect....its a lewdness issue.

I don't care because I'm insulated from the bulldogged thuggery. I just think it's funny that kids go for the prison twink look.

Rice rockets, nike swoosh decals on cars, hair brushes stuck in afros, wearing clothes backwards, bluetooth cell earpieces, fat chicks in belly shirts, all get the same ironic satire from me. It makes me laugh. Hard.

Insidetheloop,

Wonders if those kids could tie a necktie to save their life

I agree alot of these kids look like idiots walking around in this stuff. But it's no different than when I look at my own middle school and high school photos. I wore lots of crazy stuff and experimented with different styles and now I can't believe I trolled around in public thinking I looked cool. And you're right, I'm sure lots of these kids can't tie a necktie, but at that age, I couldn't either. But I'm wearing one now, just like many of them will be....when they grow up.

[hamiltonpl]

Tamtagon,

You had a lot of insightful comments. I don't want anyone to think that I like this law. It is silly. I'm just trying to expose how a police officer could use this law.

[VectorWega]

I personally don't appreciate guys sagging their pants and showing me their ass. I could give a crap about the law, but if you disrespect me by showing me your ass, I'm not going to be very happy.

ps. if you are a guy that sags your pants like that you are a chump punk @#$^$%# that wants to be more than you are..which is nothing.

[Lakewooder]

I have just returned from SoCal, where I was informed that skinny jeans are the new fad...so maybe it's moot.

[warlock55]

I have just returned from SoCal, where I was informed that skinny jeans are the new fad...so maybe it's moot.

I hear there's a lot of crime in California. Gangs and whatnot. The council should probably get right on banning skinny jeans too.