Near East Dallas: New Henderson Ave. Developments

[EastDallasLonghorn]

There seems to be a considerable amount of activity along Henderson Ave. between I-75 and Ross Ave., and I’m curious to hear if anyone on this board has an idea what is planned for the following locations:

Jerry’s Supermarket, corner of Henderson and Capital – Closed this week with a large construction dumpster in the parking lot.

Carnival Grocery Store, corner of Henderson and Lewis - Closed unknown date with the sign on the front of the building already removed.

Alfredo’s Italian Restaurant, corner of Henderson and McMillan – Closed unknown date, a peek in the window reveals that all of the kitchen equipment has been removed and the place is empty. I’ve heard rumors of this being a possible future bank pad.

Large empty lot on the north side of Henderson between Glencoe and McMillan – two houses across the ally to the north of this property were recently demolished, and now Alfredo’s is closed? I’ve heard Andres Real Estate off Henderson owns the empty lots, but don’t know what is planned.

Pollo Fiesta, corner of Henderson and Fuqua – Closed unknown date, kitchen equipment, tables, etc… remain.

Perry Homes Property, corner of Henderson and Belmont – recently submitted for a landscape exemption that was approved by the city council. Construction start date, number of planned units, etc…?

Easton Apartments, corner of Henderson and Manett – Developers rumored to be planning a similar development across the alley on the northwest corner of Henderson and Belmont where an older apartment complex with an ugly mansard roof currently sits.

[Mephis Gooseberry]

Central Expressway is US75. I75 runs from Florida to Michigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_75).

[UrbanHope]

All of this stuff was inevitable. I'm not looking to move over there... the streets are so narrow and because developers own most of it so it will be McMansionville. Some developers have already put two houses on 1 duplex lot. smh

Fiesta is way cleaner than Carnival ever was - not sad to see them go.

[Lakewooder]

As I posted on another thread, the new East Dallas/Lakewood Advocate has a column by Jeff Siegel (inside back page) saying rumors are flying that someone 'with very deep pockets' is buying up Henderson -- anyone know any more?

You may be able to download it at: advocatemag.com

[jstrater]

As I posted on another thread, the new East Dallas/Lakewood Advocate has a column by Jeff Siegel (inside back page) saying rumors are flying that someone 'with very deep pockets' is buying up Henderson -- anyone know any more?

You may be able to download it at: advocatemag.com


I may have mentioned this before but the adjacent lots to Jerry's were recently rezoned/added to a pd by the city plan commission.

There is a great deal of pedestrian traffic in that area and many folks who rely on Jerry's and Carnival for their shopping.

[Lakewooder]

Well, Jerry's and Carnival are gone.

Alfredo's being another 'bank pad' site oooooh my god, not another bank, what's next, a CVS? Strater, can they put those free-standing things along there? What is the area being rezoned?

I love how developers refer to something as a pad site as if it were a pasture out in Frisco, rather than an exisiting structure in East Dallas with its own unique history and chain of ownership.

[carousel]

Fiesta must love the closing of Jerry's and Carnival. Perhaps, now w/ less competition they will be able to sell their chicken w/in the month after it expires.

[Tnekster]

^I wonder if this will hurt Fiesta in the long run? Running so many latinos out of the neighborhood. By the way, where are the people that lived along Henderson (and other streets in East Dallas that are rapidly being transformed) going?

[EastDallasLonghorn]

As I posted on another thread, the new East Dallas/Lakewood Advocate has a column by Jeff Siegel (inside back page) saying rumors are flying that someone 'with very deep pockets' is buying up Henderson -- anyone know any more?

You may be able to download it at: advocatemag.com

See below for the blurb on Henderson Ave. land transactions and possible development in the area, from Jeff Siegel's article in the July Lakewood Advocate referenced above.

"• Redeveloping Henderson between Ross and Capitol. Serious rumblings suggest that someone with very deep pockets is trying to buy significant pieces of land along Henderson, perhaps to turn the parcels into the same types of apartment buildings that are closer to Central."

I would certainly be interested to hear who the developer with "deep pockets" is...

[Bryant]

It's about time somebody is redeveloping Henderson. It's a wasted opportunity as it stands now.

[gc]

It's about time somebody is redeveloping Henderson. It's a wasted opportunity as it stands now.

I totally agree. The potential is amazing.

[gshelton91]

Yes good opportunity but so far what they have built will be crap again in 10 years... I noticed several spots where the new developments ignored the setbacks on the street.


The city needs to jump in and make sure developers are creating something that will be a lasting benefit.

[FoUTASportscaster]

I think setbacks are stupid, good for them.

[Lakewooder]

I think he's talking about the residential section setbacks across from the exemplary Bonham Elementary.

There was some sort of plan hashed out for future development along Henderson a few years ago, does anyone know the specifics of the PD?

[FoUTASportscaster]

Oh, oops. My bad.

[EastDallasLonghorn]

I spoke to a friend today who said that the Jerry's supermarket is going to be gutted and will reopen as retail space tentatively named The Shops on Henderson. I'm shocked to hear that the building itself is worth saving and doubt the current shell would function well for strip retail - might they be planning to do a re-skin of the building similar to what was done for the Vitamin Shop just north of Lovers off of Greenville Ave.? When I saw that job in progress I couldn’t understand the logic, but I guess it is a more environmentally friendly approach than scraping clean and rebuilding.

There doesn't seem to be enough parking on the Jerry’s site to support any restaurant uses, which is a shame considering how well many of the restaurants on Henderson seem to be doing, ie. Louie's, Cafe San Miguel (slammed tonight with their valet’s now taking over Alfredo’s parking lot), Ciquitas (45 min. wait at 2:30 am if you can believe it), Hector's, Hibiscus, etc... Kind of surprised Alfredo didn't make it, but he always told me he wanted to move to Fort Lauderdale, FL, so he might have just gotten a "too good to refuse" offer for the land.

[gshelton91]

Yes i intended to mean the residential street. the townhomes they are building don't fit in at all with the other homes... such a shame those are cool houses.

Those two developments on Henderson directly across from the school are such crap. why could they not do something like the new apartment complex near by.

[Lakewooder]

Apparently there is a huge demand for this 'style'-- look at all the suburban homes going up out north. Those Collin County Carpetbaggers are now trying to flog their crap down here where people are a bit more cosmopoliton.

I don't think the results will be 'epic'.

Let's hope some builders more sensitive to the prevaling styles in the area come in -- it looks as though the more traditional styles dictated by the new Conservation Districts nearby actually sell better, so I think any builder with sense will get on board. Even something contemporary would be better than the mish-mash and high arches on those things. Those tin townhome buildings over on Haskell would even be a relief.

I've tried to count the number of different builders in the area, but I lost track after I got to 30.

I've recently seen some Belmont Homes signs nearby - so yes, there is hope!

[jstrater]

The link below will take you to a zoning application for the land adjacent to Jerry's on Henderson. Included is the city staff's report and the planned development ordinance for the Henderson Avenue Special Purpose District (passed in 1996). This will give you an idea of the sub districts along Henderson, the purpose for the "special purpose district" zoning and the uses that are allowed along the street.

http://www.dallascityhall.com/pdf/cpc/Z056-193_042006.pdf

At the public hearing for the case in April, there were several neighbors on Moser that were concerned about the increased commercial uses on Henderson. Their single family houses share the alleys with the properties on Henderson. My motion included for mixed residential, retail and office uses, on the southwest line of Henderson Avenue. In order to address concerns of the neighbors we restricted some of the "personal services uses" to prohibit massage parlors, tattoo parlors and body piercing salons and prohibit commercial access to alley right next to the single family homes.

Unfortunately, this was not a popular motion. Some of the commissioners thought it was too restrictive. Of course, I thought it was a win-win. We change the zoning to allow commercial and mixed uses but protect the residential neighbors from some potential bad uses. It won but was a 9-6 vote.

[carousel]

^ Don't be too fooled by Belmont. Although many of their homes are beautiful and fit in w/ the surrounding neighborhood, they do build some crap when not forced to do otherwise. Check out the stucco castle around the 5400 or 5500 block of Goodwin on the north side - terrible. Then if you proceed a block or so west you will see a one of thier beautiful tudors being constructed.

[Lakewooder]

I forgot that Belmont is building some homes near Trammel and Fisher (around '50s ranch homes) that are a bit more McMansionish -- there was another builder named Heritage I think building good-looking Tudors (you can see them off Matilda near Llano). Also Barnette West and some others are now going for the Craftsman and Prairie Four-Square styles. I think it's because of the CDs, but those look so much better.

Thanks, jstrater for that info -- I'm not sure how the committee got through all that stuff - looks confusing to me. I did remember something about the metal buildings being prohibited after that thing went up down from Cuquita's. I'm pretty sure Hector Garcia was on this committee and I would trust his judgment on what they did...

Now, about the 'helistops'!

[clipper]

I can imagine what the traffic on Henderson is going to be like. Already dreadful.

[EastDallasLonghorn]

My motion included for mixed residential, retail and office uses, on the southwest line of Henderson Avenue. In order to address concerns of the neighbors we restricted some of the "personal services uses" to prohibit massage parlors, tattoo parlors and body piercing salons and prohibit commercial access to alley right next to the single family homes.


Will what you are planning on building have any connectivity to the adjacent "Shops on Henderson" project? These two lots seem quite small, not much room for a freestanding retail building and parking.

I don't think the neighbors on Moser have much justification to complain considering most probably purchased knowing they were going to have to share the alley with a Grade C grocer...

Glad to hear I'm not the only one hating the product Epic Homes is throwing up in this neighborhood. They have no less than 5 homes under construction in this 5 block radius right now, with probably 20+ built in the last year and a half. I would never buy one of their monstrosities, but they seem to sell fast.

[gean]

:D The owner of Cuquitas say that the apt complex next to the Easton will close at the end of september (is the one with the parking lot cover with wood fence), and Alfredos Restaurant he was renting that corner and the landlord broke the contract he is now at daddy shacks next door to billiard bar.-

Im not sure what is going on with the little stores next door to the empty lot but i saw people getting their furniture out of there so maybe that is other good news.-

gg

[Lakewooder]

Now if we could just get the Dahl-designed Sears Roebuck back instead of Fiesta or whatever that strip shopping center is called.

[gean]

Now if we could just get the Dahl-designed Sears Roebuck back instead of Fiesta or whatever that strip shopping center is called.
Well is a lot getting rid of the jerrys supermarket that place was baddd an carnival as well now if im really lucky someone will buy the apt complex on fuqua an demolish it and make some cool condos thats what i need :rolleyes:

[Lakewooder]

I can't think of his name but the guy who owns Premier Properties owns a lot of stuff around there (Fuqua/Garrett, etc.) and is holding it for redevelopment. I believe it's the same guy who is building the new townhomes on Live Oak at Fitzhugh. Incidentally, a sign has gone up next door to that development on an older garden apartment complex, so its seems he's expanding the scope of those...

[KBilly]

........ Also Barnette West and some others are now going for the Craftsman and Prairie Four-Square styles. I think it's because of the CDs, but those look so much better.

...........
I don't think Barnett & West is doing because of CDs. I think they are doing it because they seem to have only 4 or 5 of those style they build now. Go look on Eagle, Nimrod, etc. each side of White Rock Trail and you can see what I mean. Nicer, albeit, than a typical McMansion, but they are getting repetitive now and for 480k and up you still get 2x4 stick and aluminum windows!

[gean]

I can't think of his name but the guy who owns Premier Properties owns a lot of stuff around there (Fuqua/Garrett, etc.) and is holding it for redevelopment. I believe it's the same guy who is building the new townhomes on Live Oak at Fitzhugh. Incidentally, a sign has gone up next door to that development on an older garden apartment complex, so its seems he's expanding the scope of those...
Yea Hes Name is David i dont know how the last name
He owns a crappy apt complex facing fuqua and garrett :angryfire

[Thurloc]

All of this stuff was inevitable. I'm not looking to move over there... the streets are so narrow and because developers own most of it so it will be McMansionville. Some developers have already put two houses on 1 duplex lot. smh

Fiesta is way cleaner than Carnival ever was - not sad to see them go.

Sorry, but those of us who are building in the area with money, and aren't buying a run down prarie style eyesore and fixing small projects on the weekends while planting "scenic bamboo" in the backyard, some of us kind of like McMansions, with the carriage lights out front, the nice brick with stone accents and the wooden exposed beams.

I am very happy that Jerry's and Alfredo's are getting the boot. Jerry's was terrible and Alfredo's was overpriced. Hopefully we can get rid of the massage parlor, the eyesore house on the corner of Moser and Fuqua, the terrible apartments on Moser, you get the idea. The more money that moves in, the happier 99% of us who live here will be.

Oh, and I DON'T support a conservation district.

[crocodile_hunt_er]

some of us kind of like McMansions, with the carriage lights out front, the nice brick with stone accents and the wooden exposed beams..

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Oh, and I DON'T support a conservation district.


Then move to Frisco!!

The fact the vickey conservation district passed with out a single vote against it say that your pho-brick, fake-stone-accents and ply-wood-exposed-beams don't belong in such neighbourhoods devaluing the property values.

[LakeRidge]

Sorry, but those of us who are building in the area with money, and aren't buying a run down prarie style eyesore and fixing small projects on the weekends while planting "scenic bamboo" in the backyard, some of us kind of like McMansions, with the carriage lights out front, the nice brick with stone accents and the wooden exposed beams.

I am very happy that Jerry's and Alfredo's are getting the boot. Jerry's was terrible and Alfredo's was overpriced. Hopefully we can get rid of the massage parlor, the eyesore house on the corner of Moser and Fuqua, the terrible apartments on Moser, you get the idea. The more money that moves in, the happier 99% of us who live here will be.

Oh, and I DON'T support a conservation district.


Why don't we just get a big helicopter, pick up Plano, and drop it in East Dallas.
We can replace that overpriced Alfredo's place with a nice new Olive Garden, replace the massage parlor with a Starbucks.

It sure is a shame that all the character that attracted people to this part of town will be gone in five years. All that will be left is a wanna-be Park Cities for people who can't afford Park Cities, yet still want to walk with the noses stuck in the air.

The initial popularity of the area was cool. The migration of hip, educated young professionals and new families brought new life. Then the bridge and tunnel crowd started their influx, attracted by rising property values. This is the begining of the end and I can see it progressively getting worse everytime I travel to the area.

[clipper]

That's right. If we tear down everything and build new it will be great - for about 10 years. Two of the McMansions on my block are less than five years old and are falling down. The foundation on one is going in three different directions and the fancy stone arch on another wound up lying in the front yard one morning. These houses cost more than a half million dollars and are coming apart. My house will be 87 years old next year and isn't going anywhere.

[freewaytincan]

My house is older than your's.

[Thurloc]

Why don't we just get a big helicopter, pick up Plano, and drop it in East Dallas.
We can replace that overpriced Alfredo's place with a nice new Olive Garden, replace the massage parlor with a Starbucks.

It sure is a shame that all the character that attracted people to this part of town will be gone in five years. All that will be left is a wanna-be Park Cities for people who can't afford Park Cities, yet still want to walk with the noses stuck in the air.

The initial popularity of the area was cool. The migration of hip, educated young professionals and new families brought new life. Then the bridge and tunnel crowd started their influx, attracted by rising property values. This is the begining of the end and I can see it progressively getting worse everytime I travel to the area.


What we have here is a case of the "have-nots" looking down their noses at the "haves" and talking about how only they could possibly know what good taste and ecclectic looks like. Only they, the "have-nots" could possibly know what good taste is. Of course, the young professionals who happen to be hip AND able to afford something other than the prarie DISASTERS that inhabit Vickery Place right now, probably don't exist. Am I right guys or what?! Let's burn down all the nice houses that are going up and put 1.5 story prarie style messes everywhere!

No thanks.

Can't afford Park Cities? Hardly. Would like to bring Henderson area into a place where I can safely walk around with my kids one day? Yep. Would like to make Henderson hip with restaraunts further East like Fireside Pies and Cuba Libre? Yep. Would like to enjoy Henderson while I am young, with young professionals like me, at places we like to go, and not bow down to the oppressive oldsters who are holding on to their dilapidated properties and artistic bs? Yep. Hip like Dinero a la Mexico, or Delights of the East Massage? No. Hip like falling down 1930's homes with crappy landscaping and a 1982 Dodge van broken down in the driveway? No.

If you think crappy = hip then we have nothing to talk about.

The fact the vickey conservation district passed with out a single vote against it say that your pho-brick, fake-stone-accents and ply-wood-exposed-beams don't belong in such neighbourhoods devaluing the property values.

You might have used Epic homes to build your place, but we are using quite a reputable builder, sorry. And if you think that the new single family homes that are going up on the lower M streets are lowering property values, you are living in a dream world.

[LakeRidge]

What we have here is a case of the "have-nots" looking down their noses at the "haves" and talking about how only they could possibly know what good taste and ecclectic looks like. Only they, the "have-nots" could possibly know what good taste is. Of course, the young professionals who happen to be hip AND able to afford something other than the prarie DISASTERS that inhabit Vickery Place right now, probably don't exist. Am I right guys or what?! Let's burn down all the nice houses that are going up and put 1.5 story prarie style messes everywhere!

No thanks.

Can't afford Park Cities? Hardly. Would like to bring Henderson area into a place where I can safely walk around with my kids one day? Yep. Would like to make Henderson hip with restaraunts further East like Fireside Pies and Cuba Libre? Yep. Would like to enjoy Henderson while I am young, with young professionals like me, at places we like to go, and not bow down to the oppressive oldsters who are holding on to their dilapidated properties and artistic bs? Yep. Hip like Dinero a la Mexico, or Delights of the East Massage? No. Hip like falling down 1930's homes with crappy landscaping and a 1982 Dodge van broken down in the driveway? No.

If you think crappy = hip then we have nothing to talk about.



You might have used Epic homes to build your place, but we are using quite a reputable builder, sorry. And if you think that the new single family homes that are going up on the lower M streets are lowering property values, you are living in a dream world.


Quit making fun of my van. That's just not right.

[igotgirth]

Why don't we just get a big helicopter, pick up Plano, and drop it in East Dallas.
We can replace that overpriced Alfredo's place with a nice new Olive Garden, replace the massage parlor with a Starbucks.

It sure is a shame that all the character that attracted people to this part of town will be gone in five years. All that will be left is a wanna-be Park Cities for people who can't afford Park Cities, yet still want to walk with the noses stuck in the air.

The initial popularity of the area was cool. The migration of hip, educated young professionals and new families brought new life. Then the bridge and tunnel crowd started their influx, attracted by rising property values. This is the begining of the end and I can see it progressively getting worse everytime I travel to the area.

I just want to make sure I understand you correctly. So basically what you’re saying is that you’re content with your property value? You don’t want it to increase? Do you do not like money? You don't like lower crime rates (especially less drug dealing which is horrid on Fuqua/Garret/Moser)? You don't like an esthetically pleasing looking neighborhood. Or is it you like and want all of the above but you just don’t want everything else that comes with it, the people.

As for the building styles. If you limit people to a specific style you may preserve SOME of the history of the area but you severely limit grow. A perfect example is the two tax incentive areas Uptown and the Worth District. The Worth District is struggling to improve. Why? Primarily because the historic preservation that exists down there. It’s too hard to build and it takes too long with all the limitations and hoops you have to jump through. Uptown didn't have those restrictions and was worse than the Worth district every was. If that isn't enough of an example for you the M streets alone should be. That is most of it, until now with the advent of the Vickery conservation district.

Enforce building standards and building of "like" properties. Don't force a specific style or era.

[gean]

Guys I just Hope something good happend in that area it can be so much better and fun just inmagine lower greenville is a 2 blocks away from knox and henderson ..

gg

[clipper]

Yes, I'm content with my property value. When it goes up that just means I have to shell out more taxes. I would love for my property value to fall. The lower the better.

[Lakewooder]

Excuse me, but what is the "Worth District"?

[Lakewooder]

Also, the house/business on the north side of the street from Jerry's was demolished yesterday. And they have already started partial demolition of Jerry's...

[Tnekster]

What is going to happen to Coquitas?

[Columbus Civil]

Mi Cocina

[gean]

What is going to happen to Coquitas?
Cuquitas owns that property they are not moving out

[gean]

Also, the house/business on the north side of the street from Jerry's was demolished yesterday. And they have already started partial demolition of Jerry's...

Really I need to go and see :eek3: tonight :D

[Lakewooder]

No, CC, it's going to be an Olive Garden.

[gean]

No, CC, it's going to be an Olive Garden.
Cuquitas is really good the problem is the people they new to refocus and make a new target group if they want to stay there.-

[Lakewooder]

...dreaming of their guacamole right now!

[tamtagon]

Welcome Thurloc !!

Welcome igotgirth !!

[Bryant]

I just wish people would restore, renovate, remodel, and add on to some of the existing homes in these neighborhoods. If people have so much money, these options should be very appealing. Maintaining neighborhood history and character are innate responsibilities of each citizen, IMO. Doing so doesn't require moving into a shack, but it doesn't require scrapping everything either.