DTD | Arts District: Museum Tower (~560 FT. / 42 ST.)

[CTroyMathis]

^That is an old 80's tower. The Brook Partners tower was only about 20 stories.

The Brook Partners' old renderings are what I'll post later if someone doesn't already do it by tonight.




Thanks for posting that new rendering, Clipper.

[jammin]

The last I heard was that Craig Hall's Lone Star project was on hold because the construction costs were coming in much higher than thought and there was little or no potential for city hall funding.

Could this be where Mr. Trump comes into the picture?

[clipper]

Another photo from the DMN website.

[FoUTASportscaster]

probably not. Trump's ego will have him want to build something of his own, start to finish.

[Tnekster]

Another photo from the DMN website.

I like that there will be two new towers right up along the Woodall park.

[Mephis Gooseberry]

The last I heard was that Craig Hall's Lone Star project was on hold because the construction costs were coming in much higher than thought and there was little or no potential for city hall funding.
I get the higher construction costs idea, its goin up for every development out there. I don't have a clue why anyone would even begin to think City Hall would offer an incentive to develop the Lone Star site. I can't believe Hall is that stupid. There is close to a half a Billion dollars of Public investment surrounding and underneath Lone Star. He isn't goin to get one dime more from the public.

[DallasStar]

You know I'm very happy to hear about this new tower, I think this is a huge move in the right direction for downtown, but I'm just not feeling the design. Maybe once they start on it it will grow on me. I guess when I was reading the article, I had envisioned something totally different and breath taking. But none the less way to go!!! Dallas.

[St-T]

I get the higher construction costs idea, its goin up for every development out there. I don't have a clue why anyone would even begin to think City Hall would offer an incentive to develop the Lone Star site. I can't believe Hall is that stupid. There is close to a half a Billion dollars of Public investment surrounding and underneath Lone Star. He isn't goin to get one dime more from the public.

Hunt did.

[Mephis Gooseberry]

Hunt was a major employer that threatened to leave. Which we should of called him on, in my opinion. Lone Star is a speculative development, for Hall's profit. There is no public benefit to justify helping him build a tower. Its not a EPA Superfund site, its not in a run down area of town, its not a corporate relocation. Its a frickin condo.

Just because Joe Arsehole down the block got a bribe doesn't mean that every other arsehole gets one. Enough with the political excuse making. Is the city offering Lincoln, Crescent, DR Horton or Hanover incentives? No they are not. You could argue that 7/11 got incentives. Again, that was a corporation with a known number of jobs that could leave the city. The money arguably offsets the public committment 7/11 will make with all the art, fountains, retail and mixed use nature of the site. Its a win/win for the public dollar.

Hall has sat on Lone Star for 15 years. If he can't figure out how to build on it with his own source of financing, maybe he should sell so someone else can do it. That location is one of the hottest spots in the country. Just like the Brooks site.

I wouldnt be surprised if Lone Star is the site Trump is blabbering about.

PS Sorry if I seem a bit grumpy, I didnt get laid last night. I know, excuse making. :angel:

[slfunk]

There is a rendering in the DMN. It's an OK building- nothing great- but I guess It'll blend in well with the area... For such a great piece of land- wish it was more than 20 stories. I prefer the rendering that was posted several years ago (does anyone still have that one???)...

I am actually pretty happy with the plan except the townhomes. I think if the tower that was previously proposed there or something like that would take away from the character and conflict with scale/ transition into uptown. With the Nasher garden there now, the new performing arts facilities, the Woodall Rogers Park etc.; this will be a very pleasant area for people to experience and see some wonderful collection of arts and buildings. Everything back in the 80's seemed to respond to the bigger ego, taller is better etc. Today it seems to be more about creating spaces and experiences. Taller buildings to the South of Flora or Ross would be more appropriate. This would allow natural light to enter into the main walking zones / Avenues, trees would grow to be more full and the taller buildings on the southern edge (Lone Star site) could create a sort of back drop to the Arts district. I think the taller buildings should be built in Victory or the Convention Center side of town bordering the Trinty Park etc..... IMO In Victory they are trying to get that SHOCK, Showey factor.

There aren't any sort of codes that enforce the height restrictions just set backs once you get to a certain height. I think the planning coming together is working very nicely.

[eburress]

You know I'm very happy to hear about this new tower, I think this is a huge move in the right direction for downtown, but I'm just not feeling the design. Maybe once they start on it it will grow on me. I guess when I was reading the article, I had envisioned something totally different and breath taking. But none the less way to go!!! Dallas.

I know what you mean but on the bright side, it's a lot better than Hunt's new HQ building. At least this one looks sort of like it belongs in a downtown. In fact, I think the classical, understated design will fit in nicely.

[X Factor]

I like the way the building will fit in to the area. I am vdery excited about this project.

[TexasStar]

MUSEUM TOWER
Dallas Arts District

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/samclark/dallas/Museum%20Tower%201.jpg

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/samclark/dallas/Museum%20Tower%202.jpg

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/samclark/dallas/Museum%20Tower%203.jpg

[X Factor]

WOW.. I love those visuals, this will help downtown and uptown come together and make one large urban area. It is a step in making the Woodall Rogers high rise corridor.




I wouldnt be surprised if Lone Star is the site Trump is blabbering about

BINGO!!! Im puttin my money on this statement. I envision a 1000-1100ft tower that will really set Dallas ahead of the curve as far as downtowns in the south. It better be good if it is going to hide the Chase building.

[Columbus Civil]

I've looked at that rendering TexasStar posted a few times, and it's starting to grow on me. Even though the design is nothing revolutionary, I like the clean lines. It serves as a nice vertical extension to the Nasher.

[eburress]

^^ WOW! You can really see how this, the buildings north of the freeway, and the park will fuse the Uptown and Downtown neighborhoods. What an exciting time for Dallas this is.

[carousel]

Kick arse!! So when do we run out of people that can afford these places?

[CTroyMathis]

I was hoping TexasStar would be able to pop in with the good Beck stuff! Excellent.

[Agnus Dei]

I know what you mean but on the bright side, it's a lot better than Hunt's new HQ building. At least this one looks sort of like it belongs in a downtown. In fact, I think the classical, understated design will fit in nicely.

I agree. Even though I don't think it's a particularly stunning building, I do think it works within the existing look of the area.
However, since this is the Arts District, I would like to see more exciting ground-level art and designs. The area should have a bit more of a creative feel, in my opinion. I think a some vibrant colours and designs throughout the district would stand out nicely without taking away from the simple designs of the DMA, Nasher, and Morton.

[Tnekster]

So am I looking at this picture correctly? The parking lot to the south of this tower is still a parking lot? So what can be built there?

[gc]

I dig it. Thanks TS.

[Columbus Civil]

So am I looking at this picture correctly? The parking lot to the south of this tower is still a parking lot? So what can be built there?

Mexican Laura Miller statue

[Rob]

So am I looking at this picture correctly? The parking lot to the south of this tower is still a parking lot? So what can be built there?

It sure looks that way. It would be a travesty if they built a big tower but left half of the parking lot right smack in the middle of the strip.

[Lakewooder]

I must point out that Bill Booziotis of Booziotis and Associates, the architects doing the interiors, is a hometown boy. "Boozie" graduated from Woodrow in 1952 and is also one of our M.I.T. geniuses.

[Columbus Civil]

That lot to the south still looks large enough for something substantial.

[DallasStar]

Okay, this design has already grown on me. I like it. Thanks for the pics.

Now the red building that is shown, is that the $275 million Performing Arts Center, if so I don't like it. Please tell me that ain't it.

[Columbus Civil]

That ain't it.

[DallasStar]

That ain't it.


Thank the Lord!!!

[Rob]

It's the Opera House designed by Rem Koolhaas.

[Mephis Gooseberry]

Put your glasses on and read the words on the picture, "Winspear Opera House".

[Mephis Gooseberry]

I wonder if the Woodall Park could effectively be an expansion of the Nasher.

Its easy to visualize how horrible Lincolns proposed Parking Garage would fit in this vision. I can see why Nasher opposes the Lincoln development.

[DallasStar]

Put your glasses on and read the words on the picture, "Winspear Opera House".

Man I feel like a dufus. Next time I'll read instead of skimming through.

[Mephis Gooseberry]

Lincoln's contribution to area

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/9563/lincoln1zk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/2319/lincolnvert8ma.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Justin Terveen]

Site pics / 01-29-06

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[Lakewooder]

Who owns the parking lot in between the new condo tower and Belo Mansion?

That would make a great Clyde Barrow Memorial Park.

[EscapeToCity]

RE: The Museum Tower

Not impressive architecturally, certainly not for such a prominent location...but better than a parking lot, I suppose.

It resembles a shrunken-down version of Richard Keating's Gas Company Tower in Los Angeles. Similar roof design...the old belief that 'what works somewhere else will work in Dallas' still applies, I guess...

The architectural 'bar' has been lowered from the 1980s, that's for sure.

[frankchitown]

The Hunt "Tower" looks tiny in that second rendering

[clipper]

It's only 13 floors. Not that tall compared to neighbors.

[CTroyMathis]

(Two threads merged, with the Lone Star site thread split back off.)

[Mephis Gooseberry]

Who owns the parking lot in between the new condo tower and Belo Mansion?

That would make a great Clyde Barrow Memorial Park.


ARTS DISTRICT PROPERTIES
LTD
5952 ROYAL LN STE 216
DALLAS, TEXAS 75230-7855

Market Value $2,699,820.00. pre Brooks announcement.

[AZDallasite]

Kick arse!! So when do we run out of people that can afford these places?

I think we already have. While I want this project built, I just don't see how they will find enough wealthy buyers to fill this building. Nor will we see Cresta Bella any time soon.

[Lakewooder]

I saw twice in an advert over the weekend that something was 30% pre-sold, I can't remember if it was the Cresta Bella or the Palomar.

[Bryant]

Dallas has always been a great study in architecture. As the city expands ever north and eastward you can see each decade's style reflected in the buildings - particularly the residential. South of LBJ look for homes from the early 1900s to 1960, while north of LBJ, we find homes from the 70s , 80s, 90s, and now the 2000s (in Frisco). Each decade seems to leave a "band of style" across the countryside.

It seems office buildings follow the same kind of phenomenon, at least here in Dallas. Apparently, the monochrome steel and glass look is in for the current decade. This tower looks like Cirque.

[AZDallasite]

I saw twice in an advert over the weekend that something was 30% pre-sold, I can't remember if it was the Cresta Bella or the Palomar.

Ok, if it were Cresta Bella how long have they been selling this building? Where did you read this? In the DMN home section on the weekend? Although it may have appeared as a news article it probable was a advertisement. Developers are going to over-boost thier building in advertisements in the home section of the paper on the weekend. Their thinking is that if people think other people are buying, then they will be more likely to buy. Nobody wants to live at an undesireable address. They are trying to build momentum. I myself make close to 6 figures and even with this salary, there is no way I could afford to live in the Ritz, W or even Azure. WHERE ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE GOING TO COME FROM???

[rantanamo]

a.) I wouldn't put Cresta Bella into a category with anything in Dallas except for the Mansion residences and Ritz-Carlton. Basically there is no low end product, and no ceiling for the penthouse shells.

b.) How many luxury highrise units are there in Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex right now? I would bet there isn't even 2000 right now. I would bet there are at least 200,000 people that would be considered millionaires in the metroplex. I'm probably very low on this though. There was a thread about how many millionaires per metro on SSC. Dallas' last estimate for the Dallas MSA in the late 90s was about 90,000.

Can you convince a small percentage of these people to buy these condos? I have no idea. But are there plenty of them out there? Yes.

[1999McKinneyAve]

Well, figure 20-25% of the buyers will come from California....

[rantanamo]

so we really have no idea how well or not well any given tower could be. We just know that there are a lot of possible buyers.

[CTroyMathis]

Okay, earlier I said I'd re-post some of the old Brook Partners renderings that disappeared long ago in this thread so here they are. Took awhile because I had to retrieve them from the old computer.

The one snapshot of the 'Arts District Tower' sign is from February 2000. That ain't a rendering. ; )

[FoUTASportscaster]

Thanks CTroy, good stuff.

[Rob]

Well, figure 20-25% of the buyers will come from California....

The flyer I scanned in the One Arts thread came from the New York Times.

The market for Dallas condos goes far beyond Texas.