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Lakewooder
22 November 2005, 05:32 PM
http://www.georgetown.edu/faculty/irvinem/visualarts/Image-Library/Warhol/Warhol-Jackie-The_Week_That_Was-1963-screenprint.jpg - Warhol
Just curious, how many are old enough to remember?
Were you in Dallas? If so, where?
St-T
22 November 2005, 05:36 PM
I was one of the shooters on the grassy knoll--I will never forget that day!
tamtagon
22 November 2005, 05:46 PM
I hadnt been born.
A couple years ago the 6th Floor Museum had a show displaying many of Warhol's JFK/Jackie-O works. It was very good.
CityLove
22 November 2005, 05:48 PM
My Mom was 9 that year...
mikedsjr
22 November 2005, 05:49 PM
Wasn't born. But I think Dallas should embrace it. Have a Yosemite Sam in the window with a shotgun and Bugs Bunny in a car near the street.
St-T
22 November 2005, 05:51 PM
Wasn't born. But I think Dallas should embrace it. Have a Yosemite Sam in the window with a shotgun and Bugs Bunny in a car near the street.
LOL--I so dig that!!!!
Dallas--We're the city that killed Kenedy... please come visit us and sit on the "X"!
Columbus Civil
22 November 2005, 05:58 PM
Little known fact: Lee Harvey Osald was a Woodrow Wilson Wildcat
Kelley USA
22 November 2005, 06:11 PM
Speaking of Bugs Bunny and Dallas High Schools- did anyone else know that the co-creator of Bugs Bunny (Tex Avery) is a graduate of North Dallas High School...
On a side-note, my great uncle was one of the police officers that arrested Oswald in the theatre.
Lakewooder
22 November 2005, 06:14 PM
Little known fact: Lee Harvey Osald was a Woodrow Wilson Wildcat
Not...
But John Hinckley is a Highland Park Scottie.
FoUTASportscaster
23 November 2005, 03:24 AM
My Mom was 9 that year...
Mine was 7.
monogodo
23 November 2005, 10:08 AM
^ My parents were 20.
Boredkid
23 November 2005, 10:16 AM
Younger people mark JFK anniversary
08:51 PM CST on Tuesday, November 22, 2005
By GRETEL C. KOVACH / The Dallas Morning News
The crowd that gathered on the grassy knoll for the 42nd anniversary of President John F. Kennedy's assassination could be sorted into two categories.
There were those who remember exactly where they were at 12:30 p.m. on Nov. 22, 1963, and those who weren't born yet.
A long-standing division lives on between conspiracy theorists and those supporting the standard explanation of the assassination.
But the generational divide under warm sunny skies Tuesday at Dealey Plaza underscored the enduring legacy of JFK and the mystery surrounding his death.
Most of today's Americans – 57 percent, according to CBS MarketWatch – were not alive when Kennedy was assassinated.
Craig Hlavaty, 22, and Elizabeth Fowler, 20, were born two decades later. They skipped class and drove from Houston to mark the anniversary in Dallas, joining about 200 mourners, historical buffs, tourists and skeptics.
"I've been reading about this forever," Mr. Hlavaty said. "I'm a freak for this kind of thing. The mystery, all the kookiness surrounding it, it's amazing."
He is particularly fascinated by the historical tug of war between those who consider Lee Harvey Oswald to be the lone shooter and those who support a range of other theories – the ice bullet being one of his personal favorites.
(It's an eye roller, he admits, involving a projectile of compressed ice supposedly used to stun the president.)
"It's almost like a battleground out here," Mr. Hlavaty said, pointing out the various groups.
Ms. Fowler was a hit at the gathering because of her oversized glasses and dark locks curling around a petite face bearing a faint resemblance to Jackie Kennedy.
But she came for Mr. Hlavaty's sake. "The Holocaust is my thing," she said.
Mr. Hlavaty was intrigued by Oliver Stone's controversial 1991 movie JFK, which he first saw as an 8-year-old.
James Lambert, a 34-year-old documentary filmmaker, was handing out fliers for the inaugural Dallas screening of From That Moment On, his film about Dallas' response to the assassination.
About 90 percent of those he interviewed for the documentary had learned most of what they knew about the slaying from Mr. Stone's film, which was criticized for a loose attachment to the facts.
"Researchers feel very bad that our memory of this historical event has been so sensationalized," Mr. Lambert said.
Many scoff at groups such as the Coalition on Political Assassinations, whose co-founder, John Judge, led an informal moment of silence this year. He did so after an introduction that linked "the unsolved murder" of Kennedy with the death of rapper Tupac Shakur and the war against Iraq.
But the controversy over Kennedy's death has stoked interest across generations.
"Young people are captivated by the unanswered questions," said Ruth Ann Rugg, director of interpretation for The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza.
"While their parents' and grandparents' generation might have thought about his death as something personal that happened to them, younger people feel free to ask some of those difficult questions: Was there really any conspiracy? Was there really a lone gunman?"
Mr. Lambert, the young documentary filmmaker, noticed that North Texans who lived through the shooting and its aftermath were often reluctant to grapple with its implications.
"When they'd go to other states, or other countries even, people would say, 'Oh, you're from Dallas. That's where they shoot presidents,' " he said. "They just didn't want to deal with it."
Some younger members of the crowd on Tuesday said they felt that the historic resonance and connection to that day in 1963 may have waned.
"I've passed by here all my life. I just never stopped," said Chrislynn Mabul, 21, who attended with her University of North Texas journalism class. "It's interesting to live in an area where something so huge happened."
But her classmate Erin Tritschler, 22, took a moment from snapping pictures of the memorial plaque on Elm Street to put that sentiment into perspective.
"We've had 9-11, that was our big thing," she said. "For the assassination, we've been a little desensitized, having gone through that."
Flaming Moderate
23 November 2005, 10:20 AM
Not alive. Do you guys notice the similarities between the Kennedy and Bush years? Freaky.
Boredkid
23 November 2005, 10:20 AM
My loft over looks the grassy knoll. Did not really notice more people out there than normal. Just fwi for you guys who are taking pics standing on one of the "X's in the middle of the road. Elm street is still a road with cars driving on it. And the pewder mercedes does not slow down.
warlock55
23 November 2005, 12:57 PM
Not alive. Do you guys notice the similarities between the Kennedy and Bush years? Freaky.
Now is even more like the turn of the last century. There's:
The Iraq War vs. The Spanish American War
terrorists vs. anarchic bomb-throwers
controvery over hispanic immigration vs. controversy over southern European immigration
substantial wealth inequity vs. substantial wealth inequity
shocking examples of business and political corruption vs. shocking examples of business and political corruption
avian flu vs. Spanish influenza (hopefully not)
...and so on.
Think of your own! It's easy and fun! :D
mikedsjr
23 November 2005, 02:10 PM
Think of your own! It's easy and fun! :D
Business outsourcing to very cheap labor overseas vs slavery
Does that work?
mikedsjr
23 November 2005, 02:23 PM
This event lives on because of the nut cases out their who want to make more of the assasination than it ought to be.
I wish those nuts would put more effort into finding out why the Coyote can't catch the Road Runner instead. There is a conspiracy there and I want to know why they are protecting the road runner? Maybe a drug test should be in order. I guarantee you that the Coyote is clean.
monogodo
23 November 2005, 02:59 PM
I guarantee you that the Coyote is clean.
How many times can Wile E. Coyote be blown up or smashed flat or dropped from a great height and recover without using drugs of some sort? His recovery period is so short it's unnatural.
BigD5349
23 November 2005, 03:20 PM
This event lives on because of the nut cases out their who want to make more of the assasination than it ought to be.
Personally, I subscribe to the point of view that the "nut cases" keep doing this because there is money to be made.
Do you know that lady that claims to be the "Babushka Lady"? Her name is Beverley Oliver. I went down to the grassy knoll on the 40th anniversary in 2003, and saw the kookiness at it's zenith when Beverley Oliver sang the "Star Spangled Banner" for all in attendence. That was right before the speech by Jessie Ventura of Minnesota. What a zoo.
Oliver is a nut that assumed the persona of the mysterious babushka lady. She has also claimed to that Jack Ruby introduced her to Lee Oswald before the assassination.
She has figured out a way to transfer money from the pockets of conspiracy nuts into her own purse. She probably realized that even if the real babushka lady stepped forward, she could bask in the ensuing controversy -- anything to gain publicity. Too bad people actually enable this silliness by paying attention to it!
Lakewooder
23 November 2005, 03:33 PM
Now is even more like the turn of the last century. There's:
The Iraq War vs. The Spanish American War
terrorists vs. anarchic bomb-throwers
controvery over hispanic immigration vs. controversy over southern European immigration
substantial wealth inequity vs. substantial wealth inequity
shocking examples of business and political corruption vs. shocking examples of business and political corruption
avian flu vs. Spanish influenza (hopefully not)
...and so on.
Think of your own! It's easy and fun! :D
Taking nominations for the nouveau Archduke Ferdinand:
http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/graphics/ferdinand.jpg
Flaming Moderate
23 November 2005, 04:15 PM
Now is even more like the turn of the last century. There's:
The Iraq War vs. The Spanish American War
terrorists vs. anarchic bomb-throwers
controvery over hispanic immigration vs. controversy over southern European immigration
substantial wealth inequity vs. substantial wealth inequity
shocking examples of business and political corruption vs. shocking examples of business and political corruption
avian flu vs. Spanish influenza (hopefully not)
...and so on.
Think of your own! It's easy and fun! :D
That's good stuff. I am amazed how closely are the New Frontier and the Bush Doctrine.
mikedsjr
23 November 2005, 04:33 PM
There is an example of spin.
New Frontier sounds as if one is talking about Yellowstone National Park.
Bush Doctrine sounds as if one is talking about Hitler. But I guess Democrats believe Bush is more evil than the devil himself.
TexasStar
23 November 2005, 06:08 PM
I was a fifth-grader. I remember someone came into our class and whispered something to my teacher and she began to cry. We got to go home early and my mom was there already and she was crying, too. My Dad came home a short time later. He didn't cry, of course, but he was really pissed.
I could make a compelling case that the event may have emotionally scarred me for life. ;)
rjlevins
24 November 2005, 01:26 AM
I know a man who was neighbors with Lee Harvey Oswald. He's pretty convincing that Oswald could not have been the killer.
And yes, Dallas should embrace that as history. It's just like the mobsters in Chicago. It's criminal history, but it's history. I wish they put a statue of Kennedy on the spot instead of an X. It would be much more memorable.
tamtagon
24 November 2005, 06:37 AM
I wish they put a statue of Kennedy on the spot instead of an X. It would be much more memorable.
You know, if they gave him a nice statue at the spot, rerouting the road and everything, then I wouldnt mind relocating the Ph. Johnson designed memorial....
BigD5349
24 November 2005, 09:13 AM
And yes, Dallas should embrace that as history. It's just like the mobsters in Chicago. It's criminal history, but it's history. I wish they put a statue of Kennedy on the spot instead of an X. It would be much more memorable.
It was such a terrible event that thoroughly embarrassed the city, it's just taking time to get it into perspective.
And we ought to just say it. The Philip Johnson Memorial for Kennedy is pathetic. If you read the article in yesterday's paper about the makeover of founder's plaza, one of the landscape architects from Vermont said of the memorial, "the style of the memorial is insulting to the old red courthouse. It's a big head scratcher." He also described the area as "barren, cold, and grim".
I'd love to see a statue instead of that concrete box. We're afraid to say it, because we don't want to insult the memory of Philip Johnson, but for many years, we couldn't even look John F. Kennedy in the face. That's the way I look at that concrete box. It's time for us to let go of that legacy and replace it with a new, more appropriate & memorable tribute to the man.
We can do that with an inspiring statue; it is the perfect way to do it. We have a statue of Dealey across from old red. I would correspondingly place a statue of Kennedy on the other side of Main. It would balance the Dealey statue and be perfectly located.
If planning started now, the statue could be unveiled in 2013, for the 50th anniversary of the event. At the same time, the other elements in Dealey Plaza could be restored, including the reflecting pools.
The Kennedy statue would be looking down Main St, kind of appropriately looking back towards where his life was, with it's back turned on the spot where he was shot.
We can move the Johnson memorial to the area behind the grassy knoll, and free founder's plaza to be an inviting complement to Old Red, a great place were tourists can connect with the city.
X Factor
24 November 2005, 02:48 PM
Maybe something like Lee circle in New Orleans.
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