RobertB
04-21-2005, 01:26 PM
Shoot, you might as well mentally annex Odessa while you?re at it.
Yeah, that's silly. It's already part of Midland. /me ducks
Yeah, that's silly. It's already part of Midland. /me ducks
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Haretip
04-21-2005, 01:30 PM
I was hoping to let this thread slide slowly and silently off the top of the list....
But on the other hand, I don't want to deny anyone their right to reply.
I think we can all agree that North Texas is the best region in the United States.
But on the other hand, I don't want to deny anyone their right to reply.
I think we can all agree that North Texas is the best region in the United States.
Haretip
04-21-2005, 01:33 PM
Oh hale no! HAAAALE Nooooo. You din't jus say that?! I thot I liked RobertB, but blending Odessa with Midland? HAAAALE NO.
Why do I always find myself in a twin city with uppity eastern neighbors?
Why do I always find myself in a twin city with uppity eastern neighbors?
Columbus Civil
04-21-2005, 01:33 PM
ace-baiting should be a bannable offense.
Haretip
04-21-2005, 01:34 PM
ace-baiting should be a bannable offense.
Is it that transparent, CC?
Is it that transparent, CC?
Lakewooder
04-21-2005, 01:50 PM
ace-baiting should be a bannable offense.
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St-T
04-21-2005, 02:03 PM
Oh hale no! HAAAALE Nooooo. You din't jus say that?! I thot I liked RobertB, but blending Odessa with Midland? HAAAALE NO.
Why do I always find myself in a twin city with uppity eastern neighbors?
You think Dallas peeps are snobby...
One of my buddies in college was from Midland. He explained Midland vs Odessa this way:
"Odessa is fine--it's where all the strip bars are. Also, the ho's live there. It's really funny, all of their dads work for our dads."
Why do I always find myself in a twin city with uppity eastern neighbors?
You think Dallas peeps are snobby...
One of my buddies in college was from Midland. He explained Midland vs Odessa this way:
"Odessa is fine--it's where all the strip bars are. Also, the ho's live there. It's really funny, all of their dads work for our dads."
Columbus Civil
04-21-2005, 02:13 PM
Is it that transparent, CC?
I was talking about 2112's post.
What's Barney Fife have to do with this?
I was talking about 2112's post.
What's Barney Fife have to do with this?
2112
04-21-2005, 02:44 PM
Ace,
I like the way you work the phrases “New York” and “Brooklyn” into these conversational pieces. You do it alot. It sort of forms an implied link between Dallas and New York, because that is the way you like to look at your city; you know, that “we’re kind of like New York” state of mind. Now, I’m not saying anyone here in this forum is like that. I don't believe that at all. I'm just saying that you, on the other hand, are. Anyways, I stand by my assessment that Fort Worth does not want to be decreed without referendum as a “burro” of Dallas; neither of the New York type, nor the donkey.
Regards,
2112
:bounce:
I like the way you work the phrases “New York” and “Brooklyn” into these conversational pieces. You do it alot. It sort of forms an implied link between Dallas and New York, because that is the way you like to look at your city; you know, that “we’re kind of like New York” state of mind. Now, I’m not saying anyone here in this forum is like that. I don't believe that at all. I'm just saying that you, on the other hand, are. Anyways, I stand by my assessment that Fort Worth does not want to be decreed without referendum as a “burro” of Dallas; neither of the New York type, nor the donkey.
Regards,
2112
:bounce:
hamiltonpl
04-21-2005, 02:55 PM
Welcome back, 2112. I have missed our resident drama queen!
Just my 2 cents:
Fort Worth is a great, independent city with lots too offer and lots that Dallas can learn from.
Ace probably compares Dallas with NY because New York is the most "urban" city in America. It's natural to compare yourself to the biggest and the "best." It's just like comparing Harvard to Baylor. Baylor people compare themselves to Harvard all the time -- but it certainly does not follow that Baylor people think they're a "little Harvard." It's just a comparison.
Just my 2 cents:
Fort Worth is a great, independent city with lots too offer and lots that Dallas can learn from.
Ace probably compares Dallas with NY because New York is the most "urban" city in America. It's natural to compare yourself to the biggest and the "best." It's just like comparing Harvard to Baylor. Baylor people compare themselves to Harvard all the time -- but it certainly does not follow that Baylor people think they're a "little Harvard." It's just a comparison.
2112
04-21-2005, 03:06 PM
Glad to be back, and thanks for the warm welcome. Regrettably, I haven’t heard anything back from Ace. I tried to address him directly so that there would be no confusion on whom I was talking to. But he still hasn’t replied.
Was it something I said?
Was it something I said?
St-T
04-21-2005, 03:13 PM
Glad to be back, and thanks for the warm welcome. Regrettably, I haven’t heard anything back from Ace. I tried to address him directly so that there would be no confusion on whom I was talking to. But he still hasn’t replied.
Was it something I said?
Did you go to JR's when you visited Big D?
Was it something I said?
Did you go to JR's when you visited Big D?
aceplace
04-21-2005, 03:21 PM
Aceplace offered the following when he mentally annexed Fort Worth and made it part of Dallas:
Dear Aceplace,
Thanks for asking. In general, people sometimes refer to the suburbs of large cities by the name of the core large city, but, it is in the context of wanting to verbally shorthand the conversation, so you don’t have to explain that “Frisco” is close to Dallas to others not from the area…you just say “Dallas”, instead. It’s a nice little verbal tool to imply some geography so that you don’t waste time in your main topic of conversation.
But that’s as far as the logic holds.
;)
2112, nobody is interested in municipal Dallas, except for people who live here, and some blowhards in Fort Worth, trying to perpetuate a Hatfield-McCoy feud.
In California, when they talk about "Dallas", they don't know anything about, or care about, municipal Dallas, or Dallas county. They mean Greater Dallas, and the people that live in North Texas.
You try to explain to them that JR Ewing didn't really live in Dallas, but in Parker, Texas... and they laugh at you. Like you're splitting hairs, or balancing angels on pins. They could not care less about the difference between muni Dallas and muni Richardson, blah, blah, blah.
What about yourself? Do you give a hoot in Hell about the difference between Mill Valley, CA, Berkeley, CA, and Marin City, CA? As far as you're concerned, they're all San Francisco. Or maybe you do know the difference... and you'd be one extraordinary Dallas dude if you did.
Ever wonder why people say they're from London? Nobody lives in the "City of London", but 10 million people will consider themselves Londoners...
Municipal governments are, by and large, irrelevant in the long run. This includes muni Dallas as well as muni Fort Worth. The economic, cultural and transport functions that are putting 7-11 in the Arts district would happen with or without the existence of the Dallas muni government, but happen only because the area in question is where it is in the power center of the Metroplex.
If Fort Worth doesn't like the metro area being styled as "Dallas" everywhere in the world, let them jump into Hell and burn. Or, better, let them come to accept reality, and live in the same metro that Plano and Garland (and Southlake) inhabit... let them drop the attitude and give up the whining...
.............................
Hamilton, Fort Worth is not an independent city. It is just one of the municipalities embedded in Greater Dallas. If you ripped it out and dropped into North Dakota, say, 30% of its people would be out of work, and it would shrivel and die. Municipal Dallas has nothing to learn from the Fort Worth city council, because its problems are part of being at the center of the Metroplex, and Fort Worth, whatever it stands for, has no experience with that... it's in the center of nothing.
Dear Aceplace,
Thanks for asking. In general, people sometimes refer to the suburbs of large cities by the name of the core large city, but, it is in the context of wanting to verbally shorthand the conversation, so you don’t have to explain that “Frisco” is close to Dallas to others not from the area…you just say “Dallas”, instead. It’s a nice little verbal tool to imply some geography so that you don’t waste time in your main topic of conversation.
But that’s as far as the logic holds.
;)
2112, nobody is interested in municipal Dallas, except for people who live here, and some blowhards in Fort Worth, trying to perpetuate a Hatfield-McCoy feud.
In California, when they talk about "Dallas", they don't know anything about, or care about, municipal Dallas, or Dallas county. They mean Greater Dallas, and the people that live in North Texas.
You try to explain to them that JR Ewing didn't really live in Dallas, but in Parker, Texas... and they laugh at you. Like you're splitting hairs, or balancing angels on pins. They could not care less about the difference between muni Dallas and muni Richardson, blah, blah, blah.
What about yourself? Do you give a hoot in Hell about the difference between Mill Valley, CA, Berkeley, CA, and Marin City, CA? As far as you're concerned, they're all San Francisco. Or maybe you do know the difference... and you'd be one extraordinary Dallas dude if you did.
Ever wonder why people say they're from London? Nobody lives in the "City of London", but 10 million people will consider themselves Londoners...
Municipal governments are, by and large, irrelevant in the long run. This includes muni Dallas as well as muni Fort Worth. The economic, cultural and transport functions that are putting 7-11 in the Arts district would happen with or without the existence of the Dallas muni government, but happen only because the area in question is where it is in the power center of the Metroplex.
If Fort Worth doesn't like the metro area being styled as "Dallas" everywhere in the world, let them jump into Hell and burn. Or, better, let them come to accept reality, and live in the same metro that Plano and Garland (and Southlake) inhabit... let them drop the attitude and give up the whining...
.............................
Hamilton, Fort Worth is not an independent city. It is just one of the municipalities embedded in Greater Dallas. If you ripped it out and dropped into North Dakota, say, 30% of its people would be out of work, and it would shrivel and die. Municipal Dallas has nothing to learn from the Fort Worth city council, because its problems are part of being at the center of the Metroplex, and Fort Worth, whatever it stands for, has no experience with that... it's in the center of nothing.
2112
04-21-2005, 03:21 PM
Did you go to JR's when you visited to Big D?
Nope. Only had time to walk around Deep Ellum. I Spent most of my time with my friend. I do have one, you know...
But, he is moving back! Dont take it the wrong way though, he really liked Fort Worth. It's just that by being away from home, he realized he missed his friends and his work. But I heard nothing but good things about Fort Worth, where he was living.
I will be up there yet again in June, for the Cliburn competition.
I'm looking forward to it, and will explore Deep Ellum and the West End a little more, next time.
Nope. Only had time to walk around Deep Ellum. I Spent most of my time with my friend. I do have one, you know...
But, he is moving back! Dont take it the wrong way though, he really liked Fort Worth. It's just that by being away from home, he realized he missed his friends and his work. But I heard nothing but good things about Fort Worth, where he was living.
I will be up there yet again in June, for the Cliburn competition.
I'm looking forward to it, and will explore Deep Ellum and the West End a little more, next time.
2112
04-21-2005, 03:22 PM
Wha...? Is that Ace I hear?....
2112
04-21-2005, 03:26 PM
Ace,
You said: “…perpetuate a Hatfield-McCoy feud…”
I’m not really sure what that means, nor do I have much interest in knowing. But by your tone, I reckon I must have uttered a discouraging word. If I did, I am sorry. Ok, Actually, I do want to know what a “Hatfield-McCoy feud” really means, so that if I someday perpetuate one, I will know.
Can you explain it to me?
Thanks.
You said: “…perpetuate a Hatfield-McCoy feud…”
I’m not really sure what that means, nor do I have much interest in knowing. But by your tone, I reckon I must have uttered a discouraging word. If I did, I am sorry. Ok, Actually, I do want to know what a “Hatfield-McCoy feud” really means, so that if I someday perpetuate one, I will know.
Can you explain it to me?
Thanks.
St-T
04-21-2005, 03:26 PM
Nope. Only had time to walk around Deep Ellum. I Spent most of my time with my friend. I do have one, you know...
But, he is moving back! Dont take it the wrong way though, he really liked Fort Worth. It's just that by being away from home, he realized he missed his friends and his work. But I heard nothing but good things about Fort Worth, where he was living.
I will be up there yet again in June, for the Cliburn competition.
I'm looking forward to it, and will explore Deep Ellum and the West End a little more, next time.
We can provide you a list of places to go if you would like. ;-)
But, he is moving back! Dont take it the wrong way though, he really liked Fort Worth. It's just that by being away from home, he realized he missed his friends and his work. But I heard nothing but good things about Fort Worth, where he was living.
I will be up there yet again in June, for the Cliburn competition.
I'm looking forward to it, and will explore Deep Ellum and the West End a little more, next time.
We can provide you a list of places to go if you would like. ;-)
aceplace
04-21-2005, 03:47 PM
2112, nobody is interested in municipal Dallas, except for people who live here, and some blowhards in Fort Worth, trying to perpetuate a Hatfield-McCoy feud.
In California, when they talk about "Dallas", they don't know anything about, or care about, municipal Dallas, or Dallas county. They mean Greater Dallas, and the people that live in North Texas.
You try to explain to them that JR Ewing didn't really live in Dallas, but in Parker, Texas... and they laugh at you. Like you're splitting hairs, or balancing angels on pins. They could not care less about the difference between muni Dallas and muni Richardson, blah, blah, blah.
What about yourself? Do you give a hoot in Hell about the difference between Mill Valley, CA, Berkeley, CA, and Marin City, CA? As far as you're concerned, they're all San Francisco. Or maybe you do know the difference... and you'd be one extraordinary Dallas dude if you did.
Ever wonder why people say they're from London? Nobody lives in the "City of London", but 10 million people will consider themselves Londoners...
Municipal governments are, by and large, irrelevant in the long run. This includes muni Dallas as well as muni Fort Worth. The economic, cultural and transport functions that are putting 7-11 in the Arts district would happen with or without the existence of the Dallas muni government, but happen only because the area in question is where it is in the power center of the Metroplex.
If Fort Worth doesn't like the metro area being styled as "Dallas" everywhere in the world, let them jump into Hell and burn. Or, better, let them come to accept reality, and live in the same metro that Plano and Garland (and Southlake) inhabit... let them drop the attitude and give up the whining...
.............................
Hamilton, Fort Worth is not an independent city. It is just one of the municipalities embedded in Greater Dallas. If you ripped it out and dropped into North Dakota, say, 30% of its people would be out of work, and it would shrivel and die. Municipal Dallas has nothing to learn from the Fort Worth city council, because its problems are part of being at the center of the Metroplex, and Fort Worth, whatever it stands for, has no experience with that... it's in the center of nothing.Anybody want to debate the points I raised?
If not, then the thread is over.
In California, when they talk about "Dallas", they don't know anything about, or care about, municipal Dallas, or Dallas county. They mean Greater Dallas, and the people that live in North Texas.
You try to explain to them that JR Ewing didn't really live in Dallas, but in Parker, Texas... and they laugh at you. Like you're splitting hairs, or balancing angels on pins. They could not care less about the difference between muni Dallas and muni Richardson, blah, blah, blah.
What about yourself? Do you give a hoot in Hell about the difference between Mill Valley, CA, Berkeley, CA, and Marin City, CA? As far as you're concerned, they're all San Francisco. Or maybe you do know the difference... and you'd be one extraordinary Dallas dude if you did.
Ever wonder why people say they're from London? Nobody lives in the "City of London", but 10 million people will consider themselves Londoners...
Municipal governments are, by and large, irrelevant in the long run. This includes muni Dallas as well as muni Fort Worth. The economic, cultural and transport functions that are putting 7-11 in the Arts district would happen with or without the existence of the Dallas muni government, but happen only because the area in question is where it is in the power center of the Metroplex.
If Fort Worth doesn't like the metro area being styled as "Dallas" everywhere in the world, let them jump into Hell and burn. Or, better, let them come to accept reality, and live in the same metro that Plano and Garland (and Southlake) inhabit... let them drop the attitude and give up the whining...
.............................
Hamilton, Fort Worth is not an independent city. It is just one of the municipalities embedded in Greater Dallas. If you ripped it out and dropped into North Dakota, say, 30% of its people would be out of work, and it would shrivel and die. Municipal Dallas has nothing to learn from the Fort Worth city council, because its problems are part of being at the center of the Metroplex, and Fort Worth, whatever it stands for, has no experience with that... it's in the center of nothing.Anybody want to debate the points I raised?
If not, then the thread is over.
2112
04-21-2005, 03:49 PM
Ok. I will do this one:
You said "Fort worth is not an independent city".
My retort: It's not?
...next...
You said "Fort worth is not an independent city".
My retort: It's not?
...next...
Haretip
04-21-2005, 03:54 PM
You think Dallas peeps are snobby...
One of my buddies in college was from Midland. He explained Midland vs Odessa this way:
"Odessa is fine--it's where all the strip bars are. Also, the ho's live there. It's really funny, all of their dads work for our dads."
My favorite is "They raise families in Midland and hell in Odessa".
Of course, things have changed since the oil bust.
One of my buddies in college was from Midland. He explained Midland vs Odessa this way:
"Odessa is fine--it's where all the strip bars are. Also, the ho's live there. It's really funny, all of their dads work for our dads."
My favorite is "They raise families in Midland and hell in Odessa".
Of course, things have changed since the oil bust.
Haretip
04-21-2005, 03:55 PM
Anybody want to debate the points I raised?
If not, then the thread is over.
Naw. Like I said earlier, I'm tired of needling you. Doesn't mean you're right, though.
If not, then the thread is over.
Naw. Like I said earlier, I'm tired of needling you. Doesn't mean you're right, though.
2112
04-21-2005, 03:58 PM
Ace,
My instinct is telling me you are about to throw a rod. If you don’t know what that means, then I guess we are even. Oh wait. No we're not. Whew! That was close, I almost perpetuated a Hatfield-McCoy feud!
Caught it just in time...
My instinct is telling me you are about to throw a rod. If you don’t know what that means, then I guess we are even. Oh wait. No we're not. Whew! That was close, I almost perpetuated a Hatfield-McCoy feud!
Caught it just in time...
aceplace
04-21-2005, 04:05 PM
Naw. Like I said earlier, I'm tired of needling you. Doesn't mean you're right, though.Yes, it does. When you can't bedazzle with brilliance, you try bamboozling with BS, and when you get frustrated with that, you claim to be tired of "needling"?
You should try noodling, instead... as in, the noodle between the ears...
Well, I'll admit it... I liked you better when you were driving the trolley.
You should try noodling, instead... as in, the noodle between the ears...
Well, I'll admit it... I liked you better when you were driving the trolley.
2112
04-21-2005, 04:07 PM
Yes, it does. When you can't bedazzle with brilliance, you try bamboozling with BS, and when you get frustrated with that, you claim to be tired of "needling"?
You should try noodling, instead... as in, the noodle between the ears...
Well, I'll admit it... I liked you better when you were driving the trolley.
Maybe I'm slow. But I just can't seem to pinpoint what it is you are saying. I mean, with all the talk of trolleys and noodles and all that.
You should try noodling, instead... as in, the noodle between the ears...
Well, I'll admit it... I liked you better when you were driving the trolley.
Maybe I'm slow. But I just can't seem to pinpoint what it is you are saying. I mean, with all the talk of trolleys and noodles and all that.
Haretip
04-21-2005, 04:30 PM
Yes, it does. When you can't bedazzle with brilliance, you try bamboozling with BS, and when you get frustrated with that, you claim to be tired of "needling"?
You should try noodling, instead... as in, the noodle between the ears...
Well, I'll admit it... I liked you better when you were driving the trolley.
Calm down, Ace, don't take it personally. The thread has run its course. I don't think there is more to be said about it. Sorry if I trampled a nerve.
You should try noodling, instead... as in, the noodle between the ears...
Well, I'll admit it... I liked you better when you were driving the trolley.
Calm down, Ace, don't take it personally. The thread has run its course. I don't think there is more to be said about it. Sorry if I trampled a nerve.
aceplace
04-21-2005, 04:47 PM
Calm down, Ace, don't take it personally. The thread has run its course. I don't think there is more to be said about it. Sorry if I trampled a nerve.Naaah... no offense taken...
But there is a lot more that can be said on the subject... namely, the solidifying Fort Worth as a community of interest, with a unique identity, scope and role... how to normalize its relationship with the metro area as a whole, whatever its name might be...
You alluded to that in an earlier post, but never amplified on it...
But there is a lot more that can be said on the subject... namely, the solidifying Fort Worth as a community of interest, with a unique identity, scope and role... how to normalize its relationship with the metro area as a whole, whatever its name might be...
You alluded to that in an earlier post, but never amplified on it...
trolleygirl
04-21-2005, 04:51 PM
Blah blah blah blah blah.....thanks for the insight, Houston. Now go fix your zoning problems.
hamiltonpl
04-21-2005, 05:14 PM
I enjoy a good catfight.
Lakewooder
04-21-2005, 05:40 PM
http://home.arcor.de/dy/dynasty/Reunion_AK_catfight_1801.jpg
"Alexis, ready to see more feathers fly?"
http://home.arcor.de/dy/dynasty/Reunion_Dreh_Linda__Jessica_1801.jpg
http://www.wanderlist.com/catfights
"Alexis, ready to see more feathers fly?"
http://home.arcor.de/dy/dynasty/Reunion_Dreh_Linda__Jessica_1801.jpg
http://www.wanderlist.com/catfights
fabuloCITY
04-22-2005, 11:51 AM
and I do see Fort Worth as somewhat dependent on Dallas. I work in Dallas, at a major hospital.
I just wish that the Fort Worth people would get over this inferiority complex that demands they get equal billing with the city that leads the metro. Dallas has more than twice the population, it's county has more nearly double Tarrant's population, Dallas has more national and global recognition, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Fort Worth TRULY has advantages, mainly due to less density, more spending on arts and culture, and the Basses' investment in downtown.
Why can't we Worthians just enjoy the benefits of sharing a metro with the 8th largest city in the U.S? Give Dallas its kudos, knowing that Fort Worth contributes greatly to the benefit of the WHOLE Greater Dallas Metro. It does NO ONE any good to constantly tear each other down.
Ya'll over in Dallas need to come out and see what Ft. Worth has to offer, great museums, Stockyards, cool Downtown, Speedway (if you have a mullet - SORRY :D ), the Zoo, and the Botanical Gardens to name a few. Fort Worth is COOL in a retro/cultured way.
AND my fellow Worthians, YA'LL need to shut up and go see the Nasher, the DMA (which is quite good), the GREAT progress DT Dallas is making, hang out in West Village/Knox-Henderson/Mockingbird Station/ shop at NorthPark, and quit being jealous. Dallas is COOL in a cutting edge/ stylish way.
THE POINT IS THIS: There aren't many places in the world where two such large and different cities sit mere miles apart. Instead of griping and complaining and comparing sizes ;) , we should enjoy the proximity that we share and enjoy what the GREATER DALLAS METRO has to offer.
Phew!!!
I just wish that the Fort Worth people would get over this inferiority complex that demands they get equal billing with the city that leads the metro. Dallas has more than twice the population, it's county has more nearly double Tarrant's population, Dallas has more national and global recognition, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Fort Worth TRULY has advantages, mainly due to less density, more spending on arts and culture, and the Basses' investment in downtown.
Why can't we Worthians just enjoy the benefits of sharing a metro with the 8th largest city in the U.S? Give Dallas its kudos, knowing that Fort Worth contributes greatly to the benefit of the WHOLE Greater Dallas Metro. It does NO ONE any good to constantly tear each other down.
Ya'll over in Dallas need to come out and see what Ft. Worth has to offer, great museums, Stockyards, cool Downtown, Speedway (if you have a mullet - SORRY :D ), the Zoo, and the Botanical Gardens to name a few. Fort Worth is COOL in a retro/cultured way.
AND my fellow Worthians, YA'LL need to shut up and go see the Nasher, the DMA (which is quite good), the GREAT progress DT Dallas is making, hang out in West Village/Knox-Henderson/Mockingbird Station/ shop at NorthPark, and quit being jealous. Dallas is COOL in a cutting edge/ stylish way.
THE POINT IS THIS: There aren't many places in the world where two such large and different cities sit mere miles apart. Instead of griping and complaining and comparing sizes ;) , we should enjoy the proximity that we share and enjoy what the GREATER DALLAS METRO has to offer.
Phew!!!
trolleygirl
04-22-2005, 12:06 PM
^ we all love going to Ft. Worth on occasion. Nobody ever said that Forth Worth sucked.
My significant other and I (who is originally from Ft. Worth) frequently engage in sprited debates about which city is "better". She throws Atlanta into the mix for good measure too because she lived there for several years (although completely discounting the fact that I went to school there). It's always, "Forth Worth doesn't have the kinds of problems Dallas does," and "why can't Dallas try to be more like Atlanta?" "Dallas sucks" this and "Dallas sucks" that, etc.
If we throw out over half our population then maybe we wouldn't have the crime or the this or the that......even metro Atlanta is still smaller than Dallas' metro. In fact Dallas is # 5 Metro area and Houston is # 8.......the only two Texas Cities in the Top 25 metro areas.....
http://www.citypopulation.de/USA-Metro.html#Stadt_gross
You can't compare apples to oranges.
But I still like this one- What does Dallas have that Fort Worth doesn't? Give up?
A quaint little city next door.
My significant other and I (who is originally from Ft. Worth) frequently engage in sprited debates about which city is "better". She throws Atlanta into the mix for good measure too because she lived there for several years (although completely discounting the fact that I went to school there). It's always, "Forth Worth doesn't have the kinds of problems Dallas does," and "why can't Dallas try to be more like Atlanta?" "Dallas sucks" this and "Dallas sucks" that, etc.
If we throw out over half our population then maybe we wouldn't have the crime or the this or the that......even metro Atlanta is still smaller than Dallas' metro. In fact Dallas is # 5 Metro area and Houston is # 8.......the only two Texas Cities in the Top 25 metro areas.....
http://www.citypopulation.de/USA-Metro.html#Stadt_gross
You can't compare apples to oranges.
But I still like this one- What does Dallas have that Fort Worth doesn't? Give up?
A quaint little city next door.
fabuloCITY
04-22-2005, 12:27 PM
Trolley, Dallas doesn't have stockyards, the Kimball, the Modern, a mint, a Motor Speedway, among other things; BUT
That is not the point. THe point is that, THANKS TO FORT WORTH, the DALLAS METRO does. And DALLAS brings a plethora of amenities.
My POINT WAS, can't we just enjoy what we SHARE w/o attitude, jealousy, or superiority complexes?
BTW, what is McKinney if not a quaint little city?
That is not the point. THe point is that, THANKS TO FORT WORTH, the DALLAS METRO does. And DALLAS brings a plethora of amenities.
My POINT WAS, can't we just enjoy what we SHARE w/o attitude, jealousy, or superiority complexes?
BTW, what is McKinney if not a quaint little city?
trolleygirl
04-22-2005, 12:31 PM
McKinney's lucky Dallas never annexed it!!
rantanamo
04-22-2005, 12:31 PM
the real target is Houston people.
tamtagon
04-22-2005, 01:43 PM
Fort Worth is not an independent city. It is just one of the municipalities embedded in Greater Dallas. If you ripped it out and dropped into North Dakota, say, 30% of its people would be out of work, and it would shrivel and die. Municipal Dallas has nothing to learn from the Fort Worth city council, because its problems are part of being at the center of the Metroplex, and Fort Worth, whatever it stands for, has no experience with that... it's in the center of nothing.
I agree with all Aceplace's comments with the exception that I think Fort Worth is still an independent city. However, unless downtown Fort Worth become a more prominent job center, I do think the city will continue to increase its role as a residential alternative for those who work in Dallas County job centers. This seems to be the most difficult pill to swallow for those who desire universal parity between Dallas and Fort Worth.
At this point, the only way I can see a dramatic growth to the DTFW job center is through recruitment of industry segments which are realtively undeveloped in Dallas County. The brightest future for Tarrant and Dallas County residents to experience improved quality and standard of living will come from cooperative effort by Dallas, Fort Worth, Arlington and Irving to establish core directives for the interior of the Metroplex.
It is very possible that the best Fort Worth will be the one which is residential. Fort Worth's Trinity River Vision will bring an outstanding residential environment. Add efficient train service from DTFW to Las Colinas and DTD, and you'll see a unique residential and entertainment environment bring thousands of new residents to DTFW; with the easy access provided by train service, Fort Worth could reach an entertainment parity with Dallas.
I agree with all Aceplace's comments with the exception that I think Fort Worth is still an independent city. However, unless downtown Fort Worth become a more prominent job center, I do think the city will continue to increase its role as a residential alternative for those who work in Dallas County job centers. This seems to be the most difficult pill to swallow for those who desire universal parity between Dallas and Fort Worth.
At this point, the only way I can see a dramatic growth to the DTFW job center is through recruitment of industry segments which are realtively undeveloped in Dallas County. The brightest future for Tarrant and Dallas County residents to experience improved quality and standard of living will come from cooperative effort by Dallas, Fort Worth, Arlington and Irving to establish core directives for the interior of the Metroplex.
It is very possible that the best Fort Worth will be the one which is residential. Fort Worth's Trinity River Vision will bring an outstanding residential environment. Add efficient train service from DTFW to Las Colinas and DTD, and you'll see a unique residential and entertainment environment bring thousands of new residents to DTFW; with the easy access provided by train service, Fort Worth could reach an entertainment parity with Dallas.
tamtagon
04-22-2005, 01:54 PM
the real target is Houston people.
I know that's right, and it is not inconceivable. The single mindedness of the Houston area's economic dependence on the Energy Industry makes it a tempting take-over target to become folded into the Greater Dallas Trading Area. As the city atmosphere in Dallas is upgraded and visitors to the city are treated to a more unique environment, Dallas could usurp the influence of nearby big cities (Houston, Austin, San Antonio) to become the dominant city, however unlikely. It's fun to pretend.
I know that's right, and it is not inconceivable. The single mindedness of the Houston area's economic dependence on the Energy Industry makes it a tempting take-over target to become folded into the Greater Dallas Trading Area. As the city atmosphere in Dallas is upgraded and visitors to the city are treated to a more unique environment, Dallas could usurp the influence of nearby big cities (Houston, Austin, San Antonio) to become the dominant city, however unlikely. It's fun to pretend.
Lakewooder
04-22-2005, 02:00 PM
Dallas doesn't have stockyards?
FROM: http://www.watermelon-kid.com/places/FairPark/aa-tour/aa-intro.htm
The Agrarian Area is the part of Fair Park that encompasses the buildings where agricultural products and farm animals are displayed and placed in competition each year at the State Fair. The Amusements Area includes the Cotton Bowl stadium and the Midway.
Our tour begins at the eastern end of Nimitz Drive, takes us in a westerly direction around the back of the Cotton Bowl football stadium and then back toward the east again, where it ends at the Cotton Bowl main gate.
http://www.watermelon-kid.com/places/FairPark/images/agrarian-intro.jpg
http://www.watermelon-kid.com/places/FairPark/images/food-fiber2.jpg
http://www.watermelon-kid.com/places/FairPark/images/livestock-arena.jpg Pan American Livestock Arena
http://www.watermelon-kid.com/places/FairPark/images/sheep-barn.jpg Sheep Barn
http://www.watermelon-kid.com/places/FairPark/images/corral.jpg Corral
http://www.watermelon-kid.com/places/FairPark/images/woofus.jpg The Woofus
http://www.watermelon-kid.com/places/FairPark/images/swine-barn.jpg Swine Barn
http://www.watermelon-kid.com/places/FairPark/images/cattle-barn.jpg Cattle Barn
And there's the Coliseum for Rodeo, Food and Fiber Building, Crafts Village, Embarcadero, etc....
FROM: http://www.watermelon-kid.com/places/FairPark/aa-tour/aa-intro.htm
The Agrarian Area is the part of Fair Park that encompasses the buildings where agricultural products and farm animals are displayed and placed in competition each year at the State Fair. The Amusements Area includes the Cotton Bowl stadium and the Midway.
Our tour begins at the eastern end of Nimitz Drive, takes us in a westerly direction around the back of the Cotton Bowl football stadium and then back toward the east again, where it ends at the Cotton Bowl main gate.
http://www.watermelon-kid.com/places/FairPark/images/agrarian-intro.jpg
http://www.watermelon-kid.com/places/FairPark/images/food-fiber2.jpg
http://www.watermelon-kid.com/places/FairPark/images/livestock-arena.jpg Pan American Livestock Arena
http://www.watermelon-kid.com/places/FairPark/images/sheep-barn.jpg Sheep Barn
http://www.watermelon-kid.com/places/FairPark/images/corral.jpg Corral
http://www.watermelon-kid.com/places/FairPark/images/woofus.jpg The Woofus
http://www.watermelon-kid.com/places/FairPark/images/swine-barn.jpg Swine Barn
http://www.watermelon-kid.com/places/FairPark/images/cattle-barn.jpg Cattle Barn
And there's the Coliseum for Rodeo, Food and Fiber Building, Crafts Village, Embarcadero, etc....
hamiltonpl
04-22-2005, 02:05 PM
C'mon guys Fort Worth has some real nice lookin' stockyards. Hell, it still looks like the old west over there. That's what visitors to Texas want to see.
Fort Worth is a great town, with rolling hills, caddillacs and cattle drives -- its the most "Texas" city in the Metroplex.
Fort Worth is a great town, with rolling hills, caddillacs and cattle drives -- its the most "Texas" city in the Metroplex.
Geaux Tigers
04-22-2005, 02:08 PM
Not like this, you don't:
www.stockyardsstation.com (http://www.stockyardsstation.com)
www.stockyardsstation.com (http://www.stockyardsstation.com)
2112
04-26-2005, 08:46 AM
Blah blah blah blah blah.....thanks for the insight, Houston. Now go fix your zoning problems.
You’re welcome, Trolley. You Know, when I woke up this morning, I started a pot of fresh (and delicious) coffee, walked onto my patio, and further enjoyed the fresh aroma of that Houston air. It smelled harsh. After regaining consciousness, I reminded myself that that smell is money. And then I smiled.
Good morning!
You’re welcome, Trolley. You Know, when I woke up this morning, I started a pot of fresh (and delicious) coffee, walked onto my patio, and further enjoyed the fresh aroma of that Houston air. It smelled harsh. After regaining consciousness, I reminded myself that that smell is money. And then I smiled.
Good morning!
The Great Hizzy!
04-26-2005, 09:57 AM
Yeah, it is a very nice morning today.
hamiltonpl
04-26-2005, 12:15 PM
After regaining consciousness, I reminded myself that that smell is money. And then I smiled.
Good morning!
You're sounding more like a Dallasite everyday.
Good morning!
You're sounding more like a Dallasite everyday.
2112
04-26-2005, 12:49 PM
By the way, good game last night.
aceplace
04-26-2005, 03:26 PM
You’re welcome, Trolley. You Know, when I woke up this morning, I started a pot of fresh (and delicious) coffee, walked onto my patio, and further enjoyed the fresh aroma of that Houston air. It smelled harsh. After regaining consciousness, I reminded myself that that smell is money. And then I smiled.
Good morning!It's unfortunate that Houston has to stink to earn a living.
Good morning!It's unfortunate that Houston has to stink to earn a living.
Tnekster
04-26-2005, 03:48 PM
It's unfortunate that Houston has to stink to earn a living.
I had to drive through Houston last week.....and yes you are right about the smell.
I had to drive through Houston last week.....and yes you are right about the smell.
psukhu
04-26-2005, 08:46 PM
On DirectTV's web site, they have a list of "cities" that have local high def channels. (Of course they really mean TV markets instead of cities)
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/html/content/hdcities_popup.dsp
Notice that they just say "Dallas" when listing the DFW TV market.
However, they do say "San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, CA".
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/html/content/hdcities_popup.dsp
Notice that they just say "Dallas" when listing the DFW TV market.
However, they do say "San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, CA".
utgf
04-26-2005, 11:27 PM
On DirectTV's web site, they have a list of "cities" that have local high def channels. (Of course they really mean TV markets instead of cities)
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/html/content/hdcities_popup.dsp
Notice that they just say "Dallas" when listing the DFW TV market.
However, they do say "San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, CA".
Maybe the Fort Worth mayor can write a letter to them and start a boycott.
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/html/content/hdcities_popup.dsp
Notice that they just say "Dallas" when listing the DFW TV market.
However, they do say "San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, CA".
Maybe the Fort Worth mayor can write a letter to them and start a boycott.
Columbus Civil
04-26-2005, 11:56 PM
/me ducks
I'm having IRC flashbacks
I'm having IRC flashbacks
St-T
04-27-2005, 08:43 AM
...like I've said time and time again... FW is the biggest suburb of Big D. ;)
drumguy8800
04-27-2005, 04:40 PM
Are we tired of this yet?
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