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psukhu
16 November 2004, 12:54 AM
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OPEN HOUSE IN IRVING
The Cowboys' likely departure has officials pondering the fate of an empty Texas Stadium
By David Wethe
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

With the Dallas Cowboys probably headed to Arlington in 2009, Irving officials are looking to draw up a new game plan for Texas Stadium.

Some suggest that the 33-year-old stadium, long known for its trademark opening in the roof, could continue to host a variety of events, including college football games, motorcycle races and tractor pulls. Others say that the stadium should be torn down to make way for an upscale, mixed-use development with restaurants, apartments, shops, hotels and possibly even a convention center.

Based on what has happened to other stadiums vacated by NFL teams over the past three decades, the current home of America's Team could face the wrecking ball.

Since 1970, NFL teams have left 27 stadiums for new venues. Of the vacated stadiums, a little more than half have been demolished, according to a Star-Telegram analysis. Many that remain are used by professional baseball teams.

The prospect of losing the Cowboys has left those at City Hall with mixed emotions, said David Leininger, Irving's financial services director.

"I would say the emotional mood over here is on the level of disappointment because the Cowboys will not be a tenant in the foreseeable future," he said. "But there's also a lot of genuine enthusiasm about life after the Cowboys."

The Cowboys are almost assured of leaving Texas Stadium now that Arlington voters have approved tax increases to help build a new $650 million stadium.

Leininger said Irving will look for ways to make more money from that area after the Cowboys leave town at the end of 2008. The stadium generates almost $3 million in tax revenue each year and spreads an additional $31 million in economic spinoffs, according to a recent study by Turnkey Sports.

"We're very optimistic about the future of that area because of all the planned infrastructure," Leininger said. The Texas Department of Transportation and DART expect to pump about $665 million in improvements over the next decade into Texas 183, Texas 114 and Loop 12, which border Texas Stadium, and a light rail line to the stadium area.

Leininger said several developers have expressed interest over the past six months in redeveloping the 88-acre site.

The land could be used to build a shopping center or loft apartments, Leininger said, but he's not so sure the stadium could continue to host football games.

That's because competition for college games could heat up between Dallas, which has talked of renovating the Cotton Bowl, and Arlington, which will have a 75,000-seat stadium.

Irving Mayor Joe Putnam sees redevelopment of the stadium site as a fairly obvious choice.

"If the Cowboys left for another facility, this one would have no value," he said. "Actually, it'd be a liability."

But Herb Gears, a former city councilman whose district included the stadium, said there's potential to reuse Texas Stadium as a football venue and have it compete for college football games with the Cotton Bowl, which hosts three games a year.

"I'd hate to see the tradition of Texas Stadium go away," Gears said. "That would really be terrible."

Gears said he wonders how much development could occur at the Texas Stadium site if the building is razed.

"It's not the most attractive site for development, or else it would have developed over the last 35 years with that stadium," he said.

Other stadiums' fates

To get an idea about what might happen to Texas Stadium, Irving officials can look at what has happened in other cities left with a vacant football stadium.

After hosting the Minnesota Vikings for 20 years, Metropolitan Stadium in suburban Minneapolis was demolished to make way for the sprawling Mall of America development.

The Pontiac Silverdome in suburban Detroit was built specifically to host football. The Detroit Lions left in 2002 for the new Ford Field in downtown Detroit. Now the Silverdome is used for drive-in movies, monster-truck shows and inline skating events.

After playing nearly 30 years in the Astrodome, the Houston Oilers left town in 1997 for Tennessee. Baseball's Astros played in the Astrodome for two more seasons before moving to a new stadium across town. Houston's new football team, the Texans, plays at Reliant Stadium, which casts a shadow over the neighboring dome.

Developers are talking about turning the Astrodome -- once called the "Eighth Wonder of the World" -- into a large convention hotel with entertainment attractions similar to the Gaylord Texan Resort & Conference Center on Lake Grapevine.

Officials for Harris County, which operates and maintains the dome, have tossed around redevelopment ideas for two years without reaching a conclusion.

Demolition doesn't seem to be an attractive option, said Willie Loston, executive director of the Harris County Sports & Convention Corp. One estimate pegged the cost of a teardown at about $30 million, he said.

"Like most other stadia around the country, we've found that converting this kind of venue to another use is difficult," Loston said. "One reason is because when you build them, you build them with a specific purpose in mind. You don't build them with the thought that one day newer, better buildings will be built and you'll find yourself without a tenant."

Irving should be wary of keeping Texas Stadium just for the sake of tradition, said John Baen, a professor of real estate at the University of North Texas.

"It's an emotional thing, and it's a landmark," he said, "but it drags down the city's image."

Nor is Baen sold on developing a convention center on the site. Dallas, Fort Worth, Grapevine and Arlington have each built or expanded their convention centers recently.

Instead, Irving should consider selling the 65,000-seat stadium like a time-share condominium to several large groups, such as churches or corporations like Mary Kay Cosmetics that host large annual meetings, Baen said.

By selling the property, the city would no longer be responsible for its upkeep, he said.

At the very least, Irving should lease pad sites for 30 to 40 years to restaurants on the outer ring of the stadium's parking lot, Baen said. The restaurants would have good visibility from the highways, and the city would get sales-tax revenue, he said.

Irving looks ahead

Texas Stadium opened in 1971 for $35 million. Fans paid the entire amount by purchasing bonds along with personal seat licenses. The bonds are being paid back with a percentage of stadium revenue.

Today, the stadium hosts 10 Cowboys games from August through December, plus playoff games. The Cowboys control bookings for the rest of the year and keep most of the revenue from about 35 other events. Those include motocross races, a handful of concerts and evangelical gatherings.

In 2000, Irving hired the architecture firm RTKL to conduct a land-use study of various undeveloped parts of the city to see where future DART light rail could run. The firm envisioned the Texas Stadium area as the city's southern gateway, full of mixed-use development. A DART line would connect any new development around the stadium to Las Colinas on the city's north end.

City officials plan to use the next four years to review land-use studies, master plans and developer bids for the site. But Irving will hold off on any substantive studies of Texas Stadium until the start of next year just in case Arlington's deal falls through, Leininger said. The Cowboys have until the end of the year to reach a detailed agreement with Arlington on a stadium.

Irving may hire an architect to examine options, Leininger said. But first, the City Council must approve any studies.

Besides Texas Stadium, the city faces the possibility of the Cowboys' moving their headquarters out of Irving's Valley Ranch development to Arlington, where the team has agreed to play its home games for the next 30 years.

Arlington Mayor Robert Cluck says that Cowboys owner Jerry Jones told him he'd like to move the team's front office to the new stadium.

But, the mayor added, the move probably wouldn't happen before the Super Bowl is played in Arlington, which NFL officials have said could come by 2011.

Leininger said the biggest problem with the Cowboys' move has been having to answer the same old question: "What are you going to do when they leave?"

"It's as if they're saying, 'You poor folks,"' Leininger said. "But we kind of smile and say, 'How long do you have to listen?' "

Stadium lineup

Here are the stadiums that used to host NFL franchises and the teams that moved out since 1970.



Stadium City NFL team Year left Status today
Cotton Bowl Dallas Cowboys 1970 Hosts college football
Kezar Stadium San Francisco 49ers 1970 Demolished
Wrigley Field Chicago Bears 1970 Hosts pro baseball
K.C. Municipal Stadium Kansas City, Mo. Chiefs 1972 Demolished
War Memorial Stadium Buffalo, N.Y. Bills 1972 Demolished
Yankee Stadium New York Giants 1973 Hosts pro baseball
Tiger Stadium Detroit Lions 1974 Vacant
Tulane Stadium New Orleans Saints 1974 Demolished
Metropolitan Stadium Bloomington, Minn. Vikings 1981 Demolished
Shea Stadium New York Jets 1983 Hosts pro baseball
Orange Bowl Miami Dolphins 1986 Hosts college football
Fulton County Stadium Atlanta Falcons 1991 Demolished
Anaheim Stadium Anaheim, Calif. Raiders, Rams 1994 Hosts pro baseball
L.A. Coliseum Los Angeles Raiders, Rams 1994 Hosts college football
Municipal Stadium Cleveland Rams, Browns 1995 Demolished
Busch Stadium St. Louis Cardinals, Rams 1995 Hosts pro baseball
RFK Stadium Washington, D.C. Redskins 1996 Hosts pro baseball
Astrodome Houston Oilers 1997 Redevelopment being planned
Memorial Stadium Baltimore Colts, Ravens 1997 Demolished
Houlihan Stadium Tampa, Fla. Buccaneers 1998 Demolished
Kingdome Seattle Seahawks 1999 Demolished
Cinergy Field Cincinnati Bengals 1999 Demolished
Mile High Stadium Denver Broncos 2000 Demolished
Three Rivers Stadium Pittsburgh Steelers 2000 Demolished
Foxboro Stadium Foxboro, Mass. Patriots 2002 Demolished
Pontiac Silverdome Pontiac, Mich. Lions 2002 Hosts drive-in movies, tractor pulls, inline skating
Veterans Stadium Philadelphia Eagles 2003 Demolished



SOURCE: STADIUMSOFTHENFL.COM
David Wethe, (817)548-5522 dwethe@star-telegram.com



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freewaytincan
16 November 2004, 04:05 AM
What a nightmare this will be. Bring it down; not much you can really do with it. It's really a trash heap.

tamtagon
16 November 2004, 12:37 PM
I like the idea of including the redevelopment of the site in an Olympic bid. Perhaps a natatorium could replace the stadium and the University of Dallas could operate aqua athletic programs.

freewaytincan
16 November 2004, 12:49 PM
I like the idea of including the redevelopment of the site in an Olympic bid. Perhaps a natatorium could replace the stadium and the University of Dallas could operate aqua athletic programs.

Perhaps. Knowing that it's going to stay, I suppose adaptive reuse is our only option to speak of. Would anyone consider just removing the dome?

Columbus Civil
16 November 2004, 12:53 PM
Would anyone consider just removing the dome?

Then all the sweets would melt.

freewaytincan
16 November 2004, 12:58 PM
Then all the sweets would melt.

Melts in a large, ugly stadium, not in your hand.

mikedsjr
16 November 2004, 02:41 PM
Don't worry you guys. It will become a trailer park.

jsoto3
16 November 2004, 04:57 PM
Some insight in post #30 of thread 'DART N. Irving LRT public meeting ':
http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/showthread.php?t=3013


I had the opportunity to visit the Victory Station LRT opening today, and DART's booth featured a number of the exhibits from this week's public meeting on the Irving-D/FW line. I wish I'd brought my camera, because there was a wonderfully detailed large-scale map of the entire project, from Bachman Station to D/FW. I spoke at length with DART's Community Affairs Representative, (I'll email him shortly to ask if I can mention his name here), and learned some great information about DART's plans for the line. As excited as we on this board may be, DART and Irving's civic leaders are even more ready to get to work.

My primary concern has been the Cowboys' move out of Irving Stadium. What's the point of running the line there, I asked, if there's nothing but a big, empty parking lot? The answer, it turns out, was simple: Irving needs a DART station near that site now more than ever. Jones' departure leaves a big swath of underdeveloped land right smack dab in the middle of the Metroplex, with existing freeway access and a plan to run light rail right through its heart. It's a massive Transit-Oriented Development waiting to happen! On top of that, both the University of Dallas and the large employers in the industrial area just northeast of the stadium are very excited about the rail line's arrival.

There's still the issue of providing service to the New Restaurant Row area at the I-35E/Loop 12 apex. But the geometry is difficult, with the river crossing posing a tricky balance of engineering and environmental concerns. But those issues could be overcome if the businesses there were clamoring for a station... unfortunately for them, though, I haven't heard that clamor. In my own opinion, if those business owners don't come together and make a solid proposal, they're going to find out that history repeats itself... as a New New Restaurant Row springs up around the old stadium TOD.

drumguy8800
16 November 2004, 06:13 PM
I'm all for the razing of it, but then again, I seem to have that wrecking-ball mentality when it comes to buildings that I percieve as being ugly. The freeways have poor geometrics in the area, its a stained stadium with patchy roofwork with a hole in the top, its surrounded by a sea of parking lot, and its surrounded by industrial swathes. What's the point of it continuing to bring down the area..? Was all this industrial junk there when TS was built? If it was added afterwards, why was it, and not something like retail?

One answer is that developers don't normally like building next to things that are renowned for freqeunt moves.. specifially, sports stadiums, especially football ones with only 8 (min) games per year, built in the middle of nothing. And thusly, their investment won't get a very good return. But if development, like, masterplanned, successful stuff, was built around Texas Stadium, and it still existed today, I bet that the Cowboys would've just chosen to build over Texas Stadium and give the surrounding development a good power-washing.

US75Guy
19 April 2005, 12:21 PM
I'm surprised we haven't heard much rumbling from TxDOT with plans to unscramble the freeways in this area, once Texas Stadium is gone and they have more room to build. At the least, building some dedicated exit ramps instead of forcing so much freeway-to-freeway traffic onto frontage roads.

Have I missed some of these announcements? Are some improvements to this area included in the rebuilding of SH 183?

carousel
19 April 2005, 02:45 PM
Are there any definite plans to raze Texas Stadium?

Tnekster
19 April 2005, 02:53 PM
You would have to believe that once TxDot starts the 183 work and then the Loop 12 work that they will be forecd to completely redo more than one interchange which would take out a big chunk of stadium parking. I think the Stadium is coming down. Irving wants that land back to redevelop.

tamtagon
19 April 2005, 03:08 PM
I think the Stadium site would redevelop better without the Stadium.

This is a perfect location to encourage bio-tech industry expansion.

Perhaps this DART train station could be delayed a little bit to get the DFW station online first. Build the tracks and get the trains running ASAP, but the Airport and Las Colinas stations should take priority. Here is an oportunity for Dallas, Irving and DART to cooperatively direct the re-development of this potential bonanza.

Columbus Civil
19 April 2005, 03:11 PM
Move all the "gentlemens" clubs there and that will be our red light district.

rantanamo
19 April 2005, 03:21 PM
minor league baseball or an urban F-1 track

St-T
19 April 2005, 03:48 PM
Move all the "gentlemens" clubs there and that will be our red light district.


Great idea. From Irving--the home of the cowboys to Irving--home of the hookers!

drumguy8800
19 April 2005, 05:44 PM
Whew. A soon-to-be-empty derelict concrete / [what appears to be shantily painted tin] football stadium surrounded by empty parking lots 10 times its size surrounded immediately by three freeways, two interchanges, two pairs of service roads to nowhere, and light industrial + warehouses.

Don't you love this country?

texman
19 April 2005, 06:14 PM
I say bulldoze the whole thing. Build a high five interchange in its place to converge all those freeways, with DART running right down the middle. Then develop all the old freeway ROW into new urbanism development...or gentleman's clubs.

Columbus Civil
19 April 2005, 06:18 PM
Why not both? Apartments on top, Silver City on the bottom.

warlock55
19 April 2005, 06:24 PM
Move all the "gentlemens" clubs there and that will be our red light district.

Actually, if they did that the area would probably see the Cowboys there more often than when they played games there. :rolleyes:

Texan#1
20 April 2005, 02:33 AM
I doubt that Irving would allow any Gentlemen's clubs lol. It's a freakin dry city! From what I know, the city has hired architects and some other firm to look into redeveloping the area. I don't know if ya'll know this but 183 will be 18 lanes wide (including frontage roads and HOV lanes)!

Geaux Tigers
20 April 2005, 10:02 AM
Tear the eyesore down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

crescentboi
20 April 2005, 01:08 PM
I agree with tearing it down....I just had an extended relative come into town from MN. It was his first time to Dallas and he's a big sports fan and when he saw Texas Stadium he thought it was ugly and not very well maintained. And that's just one visitors perspective. Now I know that some do like it, but just imagine what all the people coming in to DFW and driving to Dallas think of that place. It's such an eye-sore!

St-T
20 April 2005, 01:14 PM
Tear it down!

As far as I'm concerned it's now the Arlington Cowgirls, anyway.

US75Guy
20 April 2005, 01:30 PM
Whew. A soon-to-be-empty derelict concrete / [what appears to be shantily painted tin] football stadium surrounded by empty parking lots 10 times its size surrounded immediately by three freeways, two interchanges, two pairs of service roads to nowhere, and light industrial + warehouses.


What about this area makes anyone think a residential/urban development will work here? What am I missing? Is there a popular trail running through it? Nearby shopping? Natural beauty? Why would this succeed? I don't see it.

St-T
20 April 2005, 01:33 PM
^Good Point--I think they should just raze it and rebuild the highway interchanges.

rantanamo
20 April 2005, 01:34 PM
DART has a stop planned there, and its a huge site, capable of having whatever it wants built there. You could probably put all of State-Thomas there.

US75Guy
20 April 2005, 01:44 PM
State-Thomas would not be State-Thomas if it was surrounded by expressways and industrial warehouses.

rantanamo
20 April 2005, 01:47 PM
Texas Stadium site = Triangle with expressways on 3 sides.

State-Thomas = Sort of Triangle with expressways on 2 sides.

A buffer zone could easily be created. A nice view of downtown would probably be included, and I imagine the interchange will be 'corrected' without the stadium there. Let's remember that State-Thomas wasn't so hot in 1990.

US75Guy
20 April 2005, 03:08 PM
State-Thomas: Across one expressway is an exploding Arts District and the CBD. Another direction is uptown with bike trails, restaurants and shopping.

Texas Stadium: Across one expressway is the Car-Max.

I agree that State-Thomas wasnt so hot in 1990, but the positives of the area made that area happen in spite of its proximity to the expressways. Unless Irving announces some major initiatives for its entire eastside, I think we should keep our hopes for this area more realistic.

jsoto3
20 April 2005, 03:22 PM
...

US75Guy
20 April 2005, 03:42 PM
No naysaying here........I just don't see it as things stand now. I hope these concept plans make me a believer, whenever we get a chance to see them. It will have to be some high-concept designs to get residents to ignore the towering exit ramps, and truck traffic zooming outside their windows.

Is it heresy to suggest the area be used for what it is best suited for? Perhaps an exclusive business park as an extension of Las Colinas. It's proximity (and exposure) to the airport and access to the highway system would be very desirable for some companies. Sometimes I feel like we all want to force residential into all situations, even when that may not be the best, or most profitable use for an area.

gc
20 April 2005, 03:45 PM
Can Irving say...Trinity River Project?

mikedsjr
20 April 2005, 07:21 PM
gc, That would be great idea.

CTroyMathis
01 May 2005, 03:35 PM
Do it like the do it on the Discovery Channel - or Dubai. 10M GSF enclosed megamall and mega-entertainment facility that covers every reasonable square inch of land available - with the 600-foot Voyager Entertainment Super-Wheel (futuristic ferris wheel/futuristic London Eye/defunct Bear Creek, Euless dream) and other indoor entertainment features such as a water park, rides, you name it.

Price tag: Ridiculous. Lets say ballpark $2B-4B? No idea - should be closer than the Big Dig guess. I'd ask Dr. Evil, but, he might just say one million.

Pre-reqs: Stadium razed, highways/interchanges adjusted however they are planned, utilize land across a hwy and possibly even more, no hotel - incentive to build up in Las Colinas perhaps, DART Purple runs through the monstrous 100-200 foot building(s) on it's way to UD and other points Irving and DFW Int'l. Oh, and the Las Colinas peoplemover makes an entrance...

Outcome: Ridiculous Irving tax base boost? (BTW, is there anything better than AAA bonding? Not bondage.) Major destination point for area as a whole - and Irving notoriety? Yadda yadda. Arlington takes football team; Irving takes entertainment zone. No surface parking. Pipe dream vision over. Heh.

CTroyMathis
02 May 2005, 02:04 PM
^Oh, and there should be ridiculous amounts of glass and steel as the roof.
Okay, maybe throw in a nice topside green space or garden somewhere...
Mini-aquarium floor to roof for oohs and ahs too on the inside. Why not.

tamtagon
02 May 2005, 02:54 PM
^Oh, and there should be ridiculous amounts of glass and steel as the roof.
Okay, maybe throw in a nice topside green space or garden somewhere...
Mini-aquarium floor to roof for oohs and ahs too on the inside. Why not.

while you're at it, underground channels carry river water from East and West branches of the Trinity to the current stadium site to remove impurities and helps generate electricity. The topside greenspace features large cool water springs and wetland terraces as the clean river water is returned to the Trinity. This a real water park. Lake Lewisville flood zone stradling Denton and Collin Counties becomes a much more dynamic containment device for Spring flood water which is only released during the dry Summer.

The 10M GSF enclosed megamall and mega-entertainment facility generates its own electricity as well as neighboring residential highrises.

Lakewooder
02 May 2005, 08:35 PM
I feel a bit disconcerted that 100,000 showed up at Texas Stadium for Cinco de Mayo, and the 4th of July celebration seems to have fizzled.

Texan#1
03 May 2005, 02:51 AM
^ ya same here.. what a shame that people can't show the same enthusiasm for Fourth of July as well.

RobertB
03 May 2005, 10:31 AM
^ ya same here.. what a shame that people can't show the same enthusiasm for Fourth of July as well.
aah... ahhh... aaahhh!!!
runs away from computer muttering something about leadership leaving little to celebrate

Tnekster
04 May 2005, 01:46 PM
I drove by this piece of dump today and could not help but wonder why they don't at the very least paint the roof so it is not as bad of an eye sore as it is right now.

Tnekster
31 May 2005, 11:41 AM
GlobeSt.com EXCLUSIVE: Irving Revisiting Convention Center Plan
By Connie Gore
Last updated: May 31, 2005 08:01am

IRVING, TX-In a once-in-a-lifetime development opportunity, the Irving Convention and Visitors Bureau's executive team will hit the streets with an RFP for a consultant to weigh the pros and cons of a mothballed convention center project. The RFP goes out in early June, just weeks before the city council gets its first briefing on redevelopment recommendations for Texas Stadium.


Mothballed nearly two years ago, the convention center project and its funding capacity for up to $100 million could help to speed redevelopment for the city-owned Texas Stadium, set to be vacated in 2008 by the Dallas Cowboys. The mothballed convention center site and the stadium sit about two miles apart.


The convention and visitors bureau report will be a companion study to findings that will be aired June 22 to council by the Baltimore-based RTKL Associates Inc. The firm's Dallas team was hired a few months ago by the city, University of Dallas and Southwest Premier Properties, a trio of property owners kicking in $25,000 apiece toward the cost and inking a "standstill agreement" not to accept any offers for their land until the redevelopment review was complete.


David Leininger, Irving's CFO, tells GlobeSt.com that city officials should be ready to make development decisions by May or June 2006. "The work that's been done to date confirms there are several very good alternatives that are even better than what we had anticipated," he says. The RTKL recommendations will be vetted over the fall and into first quarter 2006 while the convention center feasibility study should be done in Q1--setting the stage for a midyear decision.


Maura Allen Gast, executive director for the Irving Convention and Visitors Bureau, says its study will focus on the merit of resurrecting the convention center project on a 40-acre site that cost $13 million. The review also will look at shifting the center's location as well as finding another tourist draw and possibly reassigning development funds gleaned from a two-cent hotel tax that's been stacking up since the project was dry docked. "We're trying to be open-minded and test everything out," she says. A council vote is all that's needed to reassign the funds, she adds.


Leininger says the tax-fueled convention center fund is up to $10 million. It could be as much as $15 million before it's time to decide its use, he says.


Gast and Leininger firmly believe the five-year wait since the convention center plan first surfaced has worked in the city's favor. Roughly $700 million of freeway and light-rail projects have since been approved for the Texas Stadium crossroads. Convention center competitors are done with their projects so it's easier to determine if a feasible niche exists, Gast says. "It's a great opportunity right now and we have time on our side to ask those questions," she says.


Leininger says the stadium options include razing the 400,000-sf, column-free structure; updating the 32-year-old sports complex for college or high school teams; or even gutting the interior and building it out for other uses. The stadium sits on 84 acres. About 250 of the university's 400 acres are developable. Southwest Premier Properties owns 134 acres, now used as a tractor-trailer freight depot.


"We recognize this collection of parcels is too valuable to allow it to go unplanned," Leininger says, adding it's larger than the Dallas CBD. He also recognizes it's in the limelight because of its tenant. "I think we'll do fine and probably somewhat better, but there's no question that having a marquee NFL franchise added to the city," he says. "If you took away the Dallas Cowboys, it wouldn't be commanding the kind of attention that it has."


The Dallas Cowboys pay a minimum of $1 million in rent annually and a bonus on gross gate receipts that adds roughly another $500,000 per year to the city's coffer. "We've got a tenant paying rent for the next four years. We just need to be timely on this," Leininger says. "There are a lot of things lined up that make it easy to think about this without a lot of stress. The challenge is to take advantage of the opportunity that's been presented without messing it up." The city will be a facilitator, perhaps kick in some financial underwriting, but he stresses it's not going to be the developer.


John M. Bonnot, the economic development director for the Irving Chamber of Commerce, says the foremost concern is ending up with a meaningful development. "The chamber and the community are very interested in identifying as soon as possible what that area can be."

Texan#1
31 May 2005, 12:51 PM
I love how everything is falling into place with the redevelopment of this area and how they're planning everything so carefully. Can't wait till this biatch gets torn down!!

Tnekster
31 May 2005, 01:14 PM
Which biatch is being torn down? I know the old vic's is gone but I thought the old tower was going to stay.

The Great Hizzy!
31 May 2005, 01:26 PM
Is there any concern about a potential Irving Convention Center competing with the Dallas Convention Center for shows/conventions? I know that there is already concern on the part of the DCC about shows/conventions that were coming to Dallas in past years going to other cities like Atlanta, Phoenix, Houston, San Antonio and New Orleans, so could this potentially give them more reason to be a bit concerned? Or could it have an opposite effect, boosting the entire Metroplex's profile as even more of a convention location?

Tnekster
31 May 2005, 01:31 PM
^I think this is a great point and is something I have been wondering myself. However, from the information I have heard the same concerns were raised when Gaylord opened up last year. But from what I understand the overall effect of the new hotel and center actually increased overall convention business. My concern about the Irving site is that it is by far the closest new facility to downtown. But all of these new centers seems like a bit much. Frisco, McKinney, Irving, Grand Prairie. It seems like an awful lot of space.

The Great Hizzy!
31 May 2005, 01:43 PM
You also have concerns because the Irving Center would be close to both DFW Airport and Love Field. But again, maybe the effect (and not only with Irving but with McKinney, Frisco and Plano) will be to boost the regions overall profile.

psukhu
31 May 2005, 01:58 PM
page 181 of the 2005 Book of Lists (Dallas Business Journal)

1. Dallas Convention Center - 1,019,142 sq ft
2. Music Hall at Fair Park - 400,000 sq ft
3. Gaylord - 400,000 sq ft
4. Fort Worth Convention Center - 253,226 sq ft
5. Six Flags - 250,000 sq ft
6. Adam's Mark - 240,000 sq ft
7. Market Hall - 202,000 sq ft
8. Anatole - 128,600 sq ft
9. Will Rodgers (FTW) - 96,000 sq ft
10. Arlington Conv. Cent. - 78,600 sq ft
11. Fairmont - 77,000 sq ft
12. Stockyards (FTW) - 58,200
13. Reunion Hyatt - 55,000 sq ft
14. AAC - 50,000 sq ft
14. Intercontinental (Addison) - 50,000 sq ft
16. Radisson (Main St FTW) - 41,519 sq ft
17. Harvey Hotel (Irving - on John 114) - 40,000 sq ft
18. Eddie Dean's Ranch - 36,000 sq ft
19. The Westin Park Central - 35,187 sq ft
20. Hilton Lincoln Center - 35,000 sq ft
20. Rodeo Center (Mesquite) - 35,000 sq ft
20. Wentin Galleria - 35,000 sq ft
23. Plano Center - 34,696 sq ft
24. Galleria Crown Plaza (Addison) - 30,000 sq ft
24. Reunion Arena - 30,000 sq ft

CTroyMathis
21 June 2005, 10:57 PM
Irving to hear alternatives for stadium (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/city/irving/stories/061805dnwestexasstadium.1d4bd7d6.html)
Council to receive estimate for demolishing, adapting
10:34 PM CDT on Friday, June 17, 2005
By ERIC AASEN / The Dallas Morning News

The future of Texas Stadium could become a little clearer Wednesday when Irving City Council members are expected to learn more about development options for the site and nearby land.

The council also plans to receive results of a study that estimates the cost of demolishing or adapting the stadium.

City officials won't divulge many of the details. But chief financial officer David Leininger says three main scenarios are under consideration: demolish the stadium, restore the structure or transform it so it can be used for other purposes...

More at link.

rantanamo
22 June 2005, 05:11 AM
Will the site still get its rail stop?