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drumguy8800
02 September 2004, 09:06 PM
I just recieved in the mail.. a DART The Link newsletter. It shows the LRT lines that DART is considering for the future. This is news because? They are different (in varying degrees) from the ones NCTCOG proposed. Also, it's official DART stuff. Anyways.. here are the proposed alignments.

DNT: From DNT southern terminus downtown, breaks off to go underneath Addison Airport, resurfaces, continues along DNT ROW into Frisco.

Gaston: From Baylor north towards the southern point of White Rock Lake.

Northern Loop 12: From Bachman Lake to White Rock where it goes off Loop 12 ROW and goes down Military Pkwy(?). There isn't a name on the street, so I really can't tell. the major street just south of Kingsley.

Blue Line: Continues north into Rowlett and across Lake Ray Hubbard into Fate, continues south where it meets up with the South Dallas/Red Oak/Waxahachie line

I-635: Along LBJ ROW From the DNT line to the Blue line at LBJ/Skillman Station.

Richardson/FND/Plano (Crosstown Corridor?): from LBJ/Skillman on the Ble line north to Arapaho Center on the red line, curves around and goes along 190 ROW, then goes down Rosemeade to meet up with Irving/Carrollton/Plano/Frisco line.

Irving/Carrollton/Plano/Frisco: goes from South Irving Station along the TRE north to the Carrollton Square station where it intsersects with the Orange and Cottonbelt lines, then makes a T-intersection with the terminus of the Richardson/FND/Plano (Crosstown Corridor) line at Rosemeade, then goes up to Frisco.

Cottonbelt: Goes from North DFW to Carrollton Square, then goes to Addison Circle, then gradually goes north to where it intersects with the Bush Turnpike Red Line sstation, then goes to Wylie.

Wylie/Garland: Follows Lavon Road from Wylie to Downtown Garland.

DFW Airport Circulator: Not really a circulator.. but it goes from the terminus of the cottonbelt LRT line south all the way through the airport, then exits near walnut hill, then curves up and meets the purple line where 114 breaks off with NW Highway.

Purple Line: Continues from the currently planned terminus at northern DFW airport to the tarrant county line.

Orange Line: Continues north to Denton, continues south to I-635.

Red Line: Continues north to McKinney, continues south to cedar hill/midlothian. On the way, intersects with southern Loop 12 line.

Southern Loop 12: from the red line's intersection with it near Dallas Executive along Loop 12 ROW to Buckner Station along the orange line.

South Dallas/Red Oak/Waxahachie: goes from cedars station down beside I-45, then appears to take up where the blue line cuts off along 342 (the lines join) and goes through Red Oak and Waxahachie.

SH-180 line: Goes along 180 from downtown into cockrell hill along davis, then over to GP, arlington, and fort worth. Joins with the Singleton line.

Singleton line: starts in downtown, goes alng singleton, cuts down to the I-30 Loop 12 interchange, then joins up with the SH-180 line. to the east, it goes through fair park, then east kinda near US 80.

Scyenne line: breaks off from orange line at lawnview, goes along scyenne road east to a little east of belt line.

That's 18 rail lines, and 19 with the TRE included!

RobertB
02 September 2004, 09:35 PM
I'm slobbering for a scan of that map! Did they mention downtown/uptown/farmers market subway lines, by any chance? :)

drumguy8800
02 September 2004, 09:44 PM
i'll scan it in. no, nothing new downtown on this map... and it doesn't specify subway or at-grade or elevated. just blue lines.

drumguy8800
02 September 2004, 09:51 PM
Here's the scanned map.

Foucault
02 September 2004, 09:55 PM
That is awesome. Still seems like it's being planned from a commuting point of view, but nonetheless awesome.

pariah
02 September 2004, 10:35 PM
awesome, maybe just maybe i will finally get my DNT line and i can shut up

freewaytincan
03 September 2004, 12:25 AM
awesome, maybe just maybe i will finally get my DNT line and i can shut up

For that reason I hope that's right.

At this rate, they may want to consider numbering/lettering trains, because we're going to run out of colors...

drumguy8800
03 September 2004, 12:27 AM
iiiiiiiiiii like having too many trains.

pariah
03 September 2004, 12:19 PM
i just noticed the NW hwy line as well, that would nice to

texcolo
03 September 2004, 01:24 PM
Drummy,

Lemme use your post for me website!!!

=)

mikedsjr
03 September 2004, 01:44 PM
This is certainly exciting. My dad, who lives in Allen, uses DART to get to work a couple of times a week when he knows he won't need his car for work and when he needs to be guaranteed a certain time to be in Plano/Allen.

I don't think I will ever be able to use DART for work on a full time basis because I need my car for work many times. But It would be great if I could ride the DART to work from Fort Worth. I would use it when I didn't need it. But I won't be doing that for a good while since I work at the Lincoln Centre buildings.

drumguy8800
03 September 2004, 04:53 PM
Drummy,

Lemme use your post for me website!!!

=)

Righto.

texman
03 September 2004, 09:24 PM
wouldnt probably more than 3/4 of these new lines be commuter(TRE) rail? When they say for "future study" do they mean study for LRT or rail transit in general?

drumguy8800
04 September 2004, 03:58 AM
i think the ones with the big arrows are going to be commuter lines. the rest should be LRT, as they are all within the DART service area (sans Frisco.. but I have a feeling Frisco will soon be joining, as well as McKinney.)

Foucault
04 September 2004, 05:22 PM
The additions could be done with only 8 rail lines:

Gold: Goes from Frisco to Waxahachie

Teal: Goes from Garland to Wylie to DFW to 114

Pink: Goes from South Irving to Frisco

Turquoise: Goes from Bachman Lake Station to 635/Garland

Chartreuse: Makes a loop from LBJ/Skillman to Rosemeade Station to Carrollton Sq and back through the Galleria

Grey: Goes from White Rock (though it's not on the map, maybe all the way to the Arboretum?) to Cockrell Hill

Lavender: Goes from Walton Walker/Cockrell Hill to 20/175

Brown: Goes from Mesquite to Fort Worth

Orange Line Branch: Goes to Mesquite

There are still colors left over for Central Dallas lines not listed: Yellow, Magenta, Olive, Navy...

I45Tex
04 September 2004, 06:26 PM
:rolleyes: when chartreuse and lavender are becoming even theoretically necessary, you have ultimate confirmation that it's really been time to start giving interesting local names to the color lines!
even uninteresting descriptive ones, as for houston's freeways -- south, gulf, east, eastex, north, northwest, katy, southwest -- might be a step up...

freewaytincan
04 September 2004, 06:59 PM
I think the main concern I have is connections between Dallas LRT and Fort Worth LRT. What happens to the colors then? We need letters, numbers, names, something.

drumguy8800
05 September 2004, 02:28 AM
I think the main concern is that the ENTIRE AREA NEEDS TO COME UNDER ONE TRANSIT AUTHORITY so that people can move around easily. You don't have to get off I-30 and get on like.. err, something else, when you leave The T's jurisidiction or when you leave DART's jurisdiction. We are one metropolitan area, and it is ignorant to force people to make unnecessary transfers.

RobertB
05 September 2004, 12:01 PM
I think the main concern is that the ENTIRE AREA NEEDS TO COME UNDER ONE TRANSIT AUTHORITY so that people can move around easily. You don't have to get off I-30 and get on like.. err, something else, when you leave The T's jurisidiction or when you leave DART's jurisdiction. We are one metropolitan area, and it is ignorant to force people to make unnecessary transfers.
Before 1926, there was no federal highway numbering system. Each state maintained its own set of route numbers, which often did not match those of neighboring states. To go from one place to another required a difficult navigation, and the only cross-jurisditional markings were pole markings established by automobile clubs.

It wasn't until the automobile had become an accepted form of transportation that the local juridictions agreed on the need for a coherent, nationwide system of route numbers. Even then, there was fighting over what states would get which choice numbers -- Route 66 was almost called Route 60, but other states won out in receiving the plum "60" designation. And this was all over how to number the routes -- they were (and still are) state-funded and state-maintained roads.

It wasn't until the '50s, that the Interstate Highway system, with a higher level of federal control, came into existence. Now, we couldn't imagine life without being able to go from North Carolina to California without changing route numbers.

Just an example to keep in mind when talking about how good it would be if all the little fiefdoms would give up control to a central authority.