DART page revamp

[texcolo]

I just did some work for a transit site in Denver and now I'm inspired to revamp....

MATT'S DART PAGE!!!!!!!

I'm changing the name to something less dopey though... Transit Dallas.

I did a flash map for the Denver site... take a look here...

Transit Denver (http://www.transitdenver.com/routes.html)

A couple of questions:

Does anyone know a cheap place to host my site?

Does anyone wanna take photos of DART stations?

I'm in Denver, CO right now, but it's highly probable that I'll be moving back to the Big D soon.

http://members.aol.com/mattwales/MattWhiteRock.jpg

[drumguy8800]

that's right! get out of Little D, come back to Big D.

i use directnic.. $15 a year.

[RobertB]

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[mikedsjr]

Do you see what Dallas is missing. Do you see it? Where the white stuff called snow is. Those things called mountains.

I so envy Denver people. If my wife would go for it that would be the city I would move to. OH SO BEAUTIFUL!

....makes me want to sing.......Everyone!
O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain;
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed His grace on thee,
And crown thy good with brotherhood,
From sea to shining sea.

http://www.transitdenver.com/images/stations/Pepsi/Pepsi04n.jpg

[drumguy8800]

Do you see what Dallas is missing. Do you see it? Where the white stuff called snow is. Those things called mountains.

I so envy Denver people. If my wife would go for it that would be the city I would move to. OH SO BEAUTIFUL!

Certainly beats Fort Worth. *snicker* :D

[Columbus Civil]

Denver's nasty. The mountains on the edge of town are nice, but the city itself sucks.

[Columbus Civil]

Dallas is better.

[tamtagon]

One of my favorite moments when living in Southern California was making a cell phone call to a friend in Dallas to say, "Oh my gosh, y'all, I'm standing in the Pacific Ocean looking through a stand of palm trees at the snow capped mountains over yonder."

[RobertB]

One of my favorite moments when living in Southern California was making a cell phone call to a friend in Dallas to say, "Oh my gosh, y'all, I'm standing in the Pacific Ocean looking through a stand of palm trees at the snow capped mountains over yonder."
When was that, the 1800's? I didn't think you could see the mountains anymore, thanks to the LA smog?

[Foucault]

Do you see what Dallas is missing. Do you see it? Where the white stuff called snow is. Those things called mountains.

I so envy Denver people. If my wife would go for it that would be the city I would move to. OH SO BEAUTIFUL!
Vancouver beats any other major city by far in natural beauty...

O Canada!
Terre de nos aïeux,
Ton front est ceint de fleurons glorieux.
Car ton bras sait porter l'épée,
Il sait porter la croix.
Ton histoire est une épopée,
Des plus brillants exploits.
Et ta valeur, de foi trempée,
Protégera nos foyers et nos droits.
Protégera nos foyers et nos droits.

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

[RobertB]

Vancouver beats any other major city by far in natural beauty...

O Canada!
Terre de nos aïeux,
Ton front est ceint de fleurons glorieux.
Car ton bras sait porter l'épée,
Il sait porter la croix.
Ton histoire est une épopée,
Des plus brillants exploits.
Et ta valeur, de foi trempée,
Protégera nos foyers et nos droits.
Protégera nos foyers et nos droits.

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
You know, the French and English versions read *very* differently. Is there an explanation of the different versions that y'all learn in school?

[drumguy8800]

You know, the French and English versions read *very* differently. Is there an explanation of the different versions that y'all learn in school?

I was thinking the exact same thing..

[Foucault]

You know, the French and English versions read *very* differently. Is there an explanation of the different versions that y'all learn in school?
They're different poems; one isn't a translation of the other. The original poem (to which the music was composed) was written in French, and it has never been altered. There have been several English versions, and I think Parliament chose the official one. www.pch.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/sc-cs/anthem_e.cfm
I'm not Canadian, just an admirer.

[texcolo]

Actually, Denver is really really nice.

It was a far bigger city back at the turn of the century than Dallas was, so you see a ton of 19th Century Architecture, Romanesque churchs, and Victorian houses. Lodo is eight times the size of the West End and Deep Ellum. The old buildings are just that much bigger. Denver also has a much more dense population than Dallas does... even though Dallas has been catching up. And then there's the 16th Street Mall, Boulder, and the DelMar Mall... it's out in the open and has mixed residential / commercial zoning.

The mountains... are fantastic... although it makes for weird weather. It snowed in May this year.

The state lotto pays for the state parks and bicycle trails. You can literally ride your bike from one end of town to the other and never cross a street. Denver also has Open Spaces... which are wonderful... I went to the Texas State House last year and watched a proposal for Open Spaces in Dallas get shot down. The Texas Legislators have no idea what their missing.

I miss Dallas though, it's my home.

[tamtagon]

When was that, the 1800's? I didn't think you could see the mountains anymore, thanks to the LA smog?

1997

[Foucault]

Denver also has Open Spaces... which are wonderful... I went to the Texas State House last year and watched a proposal for Open Spaces in Dallas get shot down. The Texas Legislators have no idea what their missing.
Forgive my ignorance, but what are Open Spaces?

[dallastophoenix]

Actually, Denver is really really nice.

It was a far bigger city back at the turn of the century than Dallas was, so you see a ton of 19th Century Architecture, Romanesque churchs, and Victorian houses. Lodo is eight times the size of the West End and Deep Ellum. The old buildings are just that much bigger. Denver also has a much more dense population than Dallas does... even though Dallas has been catching up. And then there's the 16th Street Mall, Boulder, and the DelMar Mall... it's out in the open and has mixed residential / commercial zoning.

The mountains... are fantastic... although it makes for weird weather. It snowed in May this year.

The state lotto pays for the state parks and bicycle trails. You can literally ride your bike from one end of town to the other and never cross a street. Denver also has Open Spaces... which are wonderful... I went to the Texas State House last year and watched a proposal for Open Spaces in Dallas get shot down. The Texas Legislators have no idea what their missing.

I miss Dallas though, it's my home.

love that city! get bored after a few days though...

[RobertB]

love that city! get bored after a few days though...
That's what Dallas people seem to always say about Tulsa, too. When I worked for American Airlines, which has a big presence in both towns, people seemed to be fiercely in love with one or the other. I came from Tulsa originally, and I have to side with Tulsa's livability over Dallas' "something always happening". Sounds like Denver's much the same.

[mikedsjr]

Forgive my ignorance, but what are Open Spaces?


Open space is areas of land basically kept to preserve their natural state and left free from future developement.

I highly support open space. I don't mind controlled growth. I'm sure much of the open spaces are controlled. Its better for the enviroment if they are controlled anyway. By control, I mean keeping growth form getting to thick. Open space also means more recreational area for people to venture into and explore.

Whether its open land or farming or pasture land, I am support of keep at least 50% of the land of America from developer's hands. But the more open land the better, IMO.

[mikedsjr]

love that city! get bored after a few days though...

When you have the mountains that close.......

Oh I forget, urbanites don't like to leave their nest.

:D

[Lakewooder]

Some of my friends in the Denver area say they hardly ever go to the mountains.

[aceplace]

Open space in the middle of a city? Balderdash!

Sure, we can have plenty of public parks, and that should be good enough. ... but.. cities are supposed to be dense places where people will mingle with one another and create synergy from their interactions. The country is a place where you can enjoy solitude and open space, if you are so inclined.There is no way to reconcile these two inconsistent environments, because they are, in fact, mutually exclusive.

This "open space" idea just promotes more urban sprawl. Isn't this just another crackpot notion where a small fringe group tries to promote its ideology on the larger society? Or a n aspiration by people who don't really function well, or happily, in an urban space, but live in it for the sake of a job, or some other personal benefit?

By the way, Texcolo, the LoDo area in Denver does not appear to be larger than the West End and Deep Ellum combined. The material on the internet regarding Denver neighborhoods says it is... 26 blocks. Deep Ellum is larger than 26 blocks, and LoDo is not 8 times the size of Deep Ellum and the West End combined.

When you say that Denver is more dense than Dallas, how do you measure that? And which Denver are you talking about? The Metro Area, or the arbitrary construct that is a municipal jurisdiction? I could redraw the political boundaries of municipal Dallas to make it denser, or less dense... but that doesn't change the physical structure of the streets and neighborhoods.

Is Denver's sprawl at the edge of its suburban fringe more or less dense than Dallas's?

I think what you said about the city is somewhat misleading and short on real information. I'd probably like your town if I had a complete picture of it, but I don't know anything about it, based upon what you said.

[mikedsjr]

Some of my friends in the Denver area say they hardly ever go to the mountains.

Why in the heck do they live in Denver? They might as well live here if they are not going to enjoy God's gift to mankind. Some definlitely enjoy urban life far more that nature. And there is cerainly nothing wrong with that. The great thing about living in Denver is you have the mountains to look at and drive to at any moment.

I might be the minority, but I would rather have the mountains than the beaches. Colorado is my home away from home.

[Columbus Civil]

Deep Ellum is larger than 26 blocks

How are you measuring a block?

[Columbus Civil]

Never mind! I just looked at a map of Deep Ellum and didn't realize its southern boundary went all the way to I-30.

[rantanamo]

I'm more for the beach. Bikinis win out. That's my kind of nature :P

[RobertB]

I'm more for the beach. Bikinis win out. That's my kind of nature :P
Depends on the beach. You sound like a Galveston man, with a beach full of college students on the make. I'm more into Matagorda, halfway between Galveston and Corpus, with nobody there but families and fishermen.

Great for shell collecting, because unlike Galveston, they don't have to run a tractor every hour to pick up the trash. Not so good for girl-watching, though... on the other hand, you've got 25 miles of beach if your 4x4 can handle it, so you can take your own girl out and watch her all you want.

Webcam at this page... yes, it's really that peaceful and *empty*!
http://www.matagordabay.com/

[mikedsjr]

Robert, that sounds like more of my type of beach.

Beaches signify to me humidity and heat and the occasional shark attack, WHICH isn't the sharks fault. I love swimming in the ocean, but I just prefer the mountains more.

[drumguy8800]

This "open space" idea just promotes more urban sprawl. Isn't this just another crackpot notion where a small fringe group tries to promote its ideology on the larger society? Or a n aspiration by people who don't really function well, or happily, in an urban space, but live in it for the sake of a job, or some other personal benefit?

Using the blanket word 'Dallas,' I believe that Texas legislatures were trying to create a law similar to the anti-sprawl laws in Portland.. they were talking about suburbs, I think. At least, that's the only way it would make sense. So, it would be anti, not prosprawl.

[texcolo]

Using the blanket word 'Dallas,' I believe that Texas legislatures were trying to create a law similar to the anti-sprawl laws in Portland.. they were talking about suburbs, I think. At least, that's the only way it would make sense. So, it would be anti, not prosprawl.

They weren't trying to create anything. It was an idea proposed to a commitee and it was rejected as "unworkable." Well, it's very much workable because I live two blocks from an Open Space.

[rantanamo]

well, whatever beach. It beats crashing into trees, getting lost in the wilderness and freezing to death or bear attacks any day. Even if you have to look at soccer moms all day.

[texcolo]

Open space in the middle of a city? Balderdash!

Sure, we can have plenty of public parks, and that should be good enough. ... but.. cities are supposed to be dense places where people will mingle with one another and create synergy from their interactions. The country is a place where you can enjoy solitude and open space, if you are so inclined.There is no way to reconcile these two inconsistent environments, because they are, in fact, mutually exclusive.

This "open space" idea just promotes more urban sprawl. Isn't this just another crackpot notion where a small fringe group tries to promote its ideology on the larger society? Or a n aspiration by people who don't really function well, or happily, in an urban space, but live in it for the sake of a job, or some other personal benefit?

By the way, Texcolo, the LoDo area in Denver does not appear to be larger than the West End and Deep Ellum combined. The material on the internet regarding Denver neighborhoods says it is... 26 blocks. Deep Ellum is larger than 26 blocks, and LoDo is not 8 times the size of Deep Ellum and the West End combined.

A**splace: Take a look of photos of Lodo. The tallest and largest building in Deep Ellum... is the Adam Hats Building... around 6 storeys or so... well every other building in Lodo is that big if not bigger. Yes, it's only 26 blocks... but it's 26 blocks of DENSITY... enough to have Hill Street Blues film their car chase scenes back in the early 80's. ALSO: Take a look at photos of Denver's and Dallas' Union Stations... Denver's is ALOT bigger.



When you say that Denver is more dense than Dallas, how do you measure that? And which Denver are you talking about? The Metro Area, or the arbitrary construct that is a municipal jurisdiction? I could redraw the political boundaries of municipal Dallas to make it denser, or less dense... but that doesn't change the physical structure of the streets and neighborhoods.

Is Denver's sprawl at the edge of its suburban fringe more or less dense than Dallas's?

I think what you said about the city is somewhat misleading and short on real information. I'd probably like your town if I had a complete picture of it, but I don't know anything about it, based upon what you said.

Look the information up for yourself.

As for Open Spaces... as of right now in this political and economical climate, suburban sprawl is inevitable... at least an Open Space network is a viable compromise between economic and ecological needs.

Wilderness areas need a connectivity just as much as urban areas. I remember living in Garland and witnessing a few cayotes running along the creeks when I was a kid. All open spaces are, are buffer zones to allow nature and man to function together more cohesively at best, and improve the quality of life for urban dwellers. Don't poo poo an idea until you've seen it in action. That's called closed mindedness... and it's what the Texas Statehouse has a terminal case of.

[drumguy8800]

haha.. play nice, everyone.

[aceplace]

Texcolo, your idea of "Open Spaces" in a city is... crackpot. No, a city doesn't need open spaces... the countryside is for open spaces. A city has different purposes than emulating the countryside.

You'd better learn how to present a coherent point when you make demographic claims, specifically the ones that anybody can make you a liar out of.

Is your LoDo area that densely populated? Maybe. Maybe not. So is Uptown Dallas. So is Turtle Creek. What your LoDo is is a typical warehouse-cum-light office-cum-obsolete downtown fringe... common in cities of any substantial size.

It's a common human wisdom that when you begin to be abusive or insulting... you know that your basic argument has been defeated... your theory has been shot full of holes and you react by insulting the big, bad villian that has put you down. You should have been grateful to be corrected... after spouting some dribble about LoDo being "larger" than Deep Ellum and the West End combined... as if that mattered...

One thing I hope to accomplish by participating in this forum is the exposure of fools... stop being so daft and I'll be your best buddy... put your head where the sun don't shine and I'll be your worst critic...

[Columbus Civil]

I kind of like a few open spaces in a city. Central Park is a good example.

[drumguy8800]

Dallas has more parkland than any other city in the US. what are we babbling about again?

[RobertB]

Dallas has more parkland than any other city in the US. what are we babbling about again?
And when I was a kid in Tulsa, we were pretty proud that Oklahoma City was "larger" than New York City.

umm... I have no idea what we are babbling about. [scrolls up page] Oh, yeah! Hey, Matt, did you find a host yet?

[aceplace]

I kind of like a few open spaces in a city. Central Park is a good example.He's not talking about parks, Columbus...

Come to think of it, He's failed to explain what he IS talking about.

[Columbus Civil]

Maybe he's talking about the vast unenclosed wild known as Egdon Heath.

[mikedsjr]

ace, So technically you would not call the Trinity Forest an open space?

Personally I don't care if open space is not part of the urban enviroment. As we have seen with the Trinity Forest and places like Yellowstone National Park before Rockefellar bought the land, man is incapable of keeping something pure. That's why I believe protection of open space and the ecosystem has to be strictly done through the government. Man is completely and utterly irresponsible without governmental laws put over them.

[texcolo]

You know Assplace... WHATEVER.

I'm not even knocking Dallas. In fact if I didn't like Dallas, then why in the heck would I be putting up a DART fan website?

This conversation ends here as far as I'm concerned. If you want statistics on the density of Denver vs. Dallas, the look it up yourself. If you want information on Open Spaces then look it up yourself. I really don't care.

[drumguy8800]

If you want statistics on the density of Denver vs. Dallas, the look it up yourself. If you want information on Open Spaces then look it up yourself. I really don't care.

Denver: 1,404 people per square kilometer.
Dallas: 1,362 people per square kilometer.

New York City: 10,107 people per squre kilometer.
Los Angeles: 3,141 people per square kilometer.

I'd say we're about the same density.

Buildings greater than 12 storys in the city of Denver: 162. Total Highrise: 202
Buildings greater than 12 storys in the city of Dallas: 211. Total Highrise: 285

The skyscrapers.com website claims that Denver has the largest park system in the nation, but I've heard the same about Dallas.. anyone know for sure?

[aceplace]

You know Assplace... I really don't care.When you descend to anger, you have lost any rational contribution to the discussion. When you descend from anger to apathy, you have lost your right to an identity. When you descend to vulgarity, you have lost your human dignity. :rolleyes:

[Columbus Civil]

When you descend to vulgarity, you have lost your human dignity

That's not necessarily true.

[RobertB]

Denver: 1,404 people per square kilometer.
Dallas: 1,362 people per square kilometer.

New York City: 10,107 people per squre kilometer.
Los Angeles: 3,141 people per square kilometer.

I'd say we're about the same density.

Buildings greater than 12 storys in the city of Denver: 162. Total Highrise: 202
Buildings greater than 12 storys in the city of Dallas: 211. Total Highrise: 285

The skyscrapers.com website claims that Denver has the largest park system in the nation, but I've heard the same about Dallas.. anyone know for sure?
The way I've heard, Denver has bike paths and linear parks all over town -- you can get from place to place without a car.

Dallas has those silly blue signs. You know, the ones with the route numbers and arrows? They generally point down streets that any cyclist would be insane to attempt.

Dallas has a lot of things on paper that just aren't the same in reality. On the other hand, how many folks are going to commute by bike in our heat? The weather is something that Denver (and Portland) have going for them that we in the A/C belt just don't have.

[aceplace]

When you descend to anger, you have lost any rational contribution to the discussion. When you descend from anger to apathy, you have lost your right to an identity. When you descend to vulgarity, you have lost your human dignity. :rolleyes:



That's not necessarily true.I think it would be for you.

[texcolo]

One thing I hope to accomplish by participating in this forum is the exposure of fools... stop being so daft and I'll be your best buddy... put your head where the sun don't shine and I'll be your worst critic....

I don't think anyone asked you expose fools. I sure didn't.
With that last quote, you out and out admited that you ATTACKED me. Why??? I dunno. Maybe you percieve me as being a liberal or something. Who knows.

DENVER WAS TWICE THE SIZE OF DALLAS 100 YEARS AGO MAN!!!! Take a look!!!!!

Population of Denver in 1910: 213,400
Poplulation of Dallas in 1910: 92,100

Here's my source:

http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/Americas/usat.htm

Here's some pics of LODO:

This is Union Station Denver... it has an EAST WING and a WEST WING... it's BIGGER.

http://web.mit.edu/dgallant/www/media/Denver/Union%20Station.JPG

There is not one building in the West End or Deep Ellum that is the size of this thing. And there's a half dozen of these in LODO.

http://www.werkes.com/ThingsWeLike/PlacesBeen/Americas2002/Denver/IMG_1005sm2.JPG

These buildings are occupied by residents and business owners.

http://www.denvergov.org/AboutDenver/images/NEIGH_lodo.jpg


Here's info on the 16th Street Mall:

www.downtowndenver.com/ bid/16thstmall.htm

Here's info on some Denver neighborhoods:

http://www.denvergov.org/AboutDenver/today_neighborhoods.asp

Here's some info on Opens Spaces in Colorado:

http://colorado.sierraclub.org/pandp/1999-12/p03-1.htm

And another:

http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=open+space&sp-a=sp1001da90&sp-k=Main&sp-t=site_wide&Image1.x=7&Image1.y=9

There, happy now???

[rantanamo]

Gotta love this thread.

[drumguy8800]

so.. anyone know where matt can HOST HIS DART PAGE?

[rantanamo]

Don't know where to host the pages, but photobucket.com is a great image host