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drumguy8800
03 April 2004, 06:55 PM
Trying to recoup Texas' fair share

12:46 PM CST on Saturday, April 3, 2004


By TONY HARTZEL / The Dallas Morning News



It's high political season for road and rail construction. To get proof, just count the number of special reports issued recently on transportation.

Congress continues to debate an overdue six-year transportation funding bill that could reach $275 billion. And interest groups continue to publish reports seeking to sway the opinion of decision-makers and the public.

One of the latest – and most interesting reports for North Texans – came from the Environmental Working Group last week. Their report shows that commuters here paid $1.1 billion more in gas taxes than they received in road and rail projects in the last six years. That ranked Dallas-Fort Worth's return the second-worst in the nation, second only to the $1.16 billion disparity in the Los Angeles area.

"You guys made the big time on this one," said the report's author, Richard Wiles, senior vice president of the interest group based in Washington, D.C. "People are being taxed to sit in traffic."

The big winners were rural areas, according to the report.

"We recognize rural counties sometimes need more funding than they generate, but not like this," Mr. Wiles said. "We think it's gone too far in this case."

The environmental group argues that metropolitan areas should get back at least 90 percent of the money they send to Washington. With the additional money, more cities across the Southern and Western United States could build more mass transit and rail lines, which would slow the growth in traffic congestion, according to the group's study.

"Sun Belt and sprawling areas get shortchanged the most," Mr. Wiles said.

The push for a 95 percent minimum funding amount to metropolitan areas mirrors a longstanding debate in Congress. Texas is known as a donor state, because it receives back only 86 to 88 percent of its gas tax revenue from the federal government. Other states receive more than they contribute.

Officials in state transportation departments, who fight for equitable contribution for their states, should recognize that the same equity issue exists for metropolitan areas, Mr. Wiles said.

The report is just the latest from transportation and environmental interest groups seeking to weigh in on a new transportation funding bill.

Six weeks ago, the American Highway Users Alliance announced its list of the worst highway bottlenecks. The group wanted to focus attention on getting more money for traffic choke points to boost safety and ease congestion.

North Texas had nine locations listed among the worst bottlenecks, but it did not have any that made the top 24.

Other organizations, including the Surface Transportation Policy Project and the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials, have come out with reports and position papers during the ongoing funding debate.

"This is the time that they are most relevant," said Lauren Sucher, a spokeswoman for the Environmental Working Group. "But it's not just to quickly score a political point. Our slogan is 'The Power of Information.' As the House of Representatives comes to a vote on this, let's have all the information before us."

• No tunneling: The Addison Airport Toll Tunnel will close each night this week for a federally recommended, five-year safety inspection. The tunnel will close at 12:01 a.m. Monday and reopen at 5:30 a.m. It also will close at 9 p.m. Monday night through Thursday night, and will reopen the following morning by 5:30 a.m.

Tony Hartzel can be reached at thartzel@dallasnews.com and at P.O. Box 655237, Dallas, Texas, 75265.


*COUGH* And people wonder why I kid around with the idea of secession. Republic of Texas was once a mammoth expanse.. just go look at old maps. We lost most of our land to other states because the US charged us for Civil War dues.. a War that Texas had very little to do with, relatively. And we lost the most land. Stupid Federal Government. And now these.. Texas is gettin' jipped. Did you know that if the state of Texas becamse the Republic of Texas, we would be the 10th richest country in the world? Plus, we could make ourselves a neutral territory, keeping our money out of military ventures that we don't want to deal with. Also, as a republic, we could enforce true democracy instead of this pseudodemocracy that the feds play...

rjlevins
29 April 2004, 07:57 PM
*COUGH* And people wonder why I kid around with the idea of secession. Republic of Texas was once a mammoth expanse.. just go look at old maps. We lost most of our land to other states because the US charged us for Civil War dues.. a War that Texas had very little to do with, relatively. And we lost the most land. Stupid Federal Government. And now these.. Texas is gettin' jipped. Did you know that if the state of Texas becamse the Republic of Texas, we would be the 10th richest country in the world? Plus, we could make ourselves a neutral territory, keeping our money out of military ventures that we don't want to deal with. Also, as a republic, we could enforce true democracy instead of this pseudodemocracy that the feds play...
*cough*amen*cough*

gc
29 April 2004, 08:12 PM
Wow.

Foucault
29 April 2004, 09:15 PM
I don't agree with anything this email says, but it's pretty funny:

>
>
> > Texas has given all those complainers plenty of time to get used to
> > the
> > results. After seeing the whiners along the inauguration route, the
> > folks
> > from Texas have decided that we might just take matters into our own
> > hands.
> >
> > Here is our solution:
> >
> > #1
> > Let Kerry become President of the United States (all 49 states).
> >
> > #2
> > George W. Bush becomes the President of the Republic of Texas.
> >
> > So what does Texas have to survive as a Republic?
> >
> > NASA in Houston, Texas (we will control the space industry).
> >
> > We refine over 85% of the gasoline in the United States.
> >
> > Defense Industry (we have over 65% of it)
> > The term "Don't mess with Texas," will take on a whole new meaning.
> >
> > Oil
> > We can supply all the oil that the Republic of Texas
> > will need for the next 300 years.
> > Other 49 states? Sorry about that.
> >
> > Natural Gas
> > Again we have all we need and it's too bad about those northern
> > states.
> > Mr. Kerry will figure a way to keep them warm.
> >
> > Computer Industry
> > We currently lead the nation in producing computer chips and
> > communications:
> >
> > Small places like HP, Texas Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS,
> > Raytheon,
> > National
> > Semiconductor, Motorola, Intel, AMD, Atmel, Applied Materials, Ball
> > Semiconductor, Dallas Semiconductor, Delphi,Nortel, Alcatel, etc,
> > etc.
> > The list goes on and on.
> >
> > Health Centers
> > We have the largest research centers for Cancer research, the best
> > burn
> > centers and the top trauma units in the world and other large health
> > planning centers.
> >
> > Enough colleges to keep us going:
> > University of Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Southern University, Texas
> > Tech,
> > Rice, SMU, University of Houston, Baylor, UNT, Texas Women's
> > University
> > ,etc. Ivy grows better in the south anyway.
> >
> > Ready supply of workers
> > (just open the border when we need some more ) .
> >
> > We have control of the paper industry, plastics, insurance, etc.
> >
> > In case of a foreign invasion, we have the Texas National Guard and
> > the
> > Texas Air National Guard.
> > We don't have an army, but since everybody down here has at least six
> > rifles
> > and a pile of ammo, we can raise an army in 24 hours if we need it.
> > If the situation really gets bad, we can always call Department of
> > Public
> > Safety and ask them to send over a couple of Texas Rangers.
> >
> > We are totally self sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs and vegetable
> > produce
> > and everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they taste
> > good.
> > Don't need any food.
> >
> > This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic of
> > Texas in
> > good shape. There isn't a thing out there that we need and don't
> > have.
> >
> > Now, to the rest of the United States under President Kerry: Since
> > you
> > won't have the refineries to get gas for your cars, only President
> > Kerry
> > will be able to drive around in his 9 mile per gallon SUV. The rest
> > of the
> > United States will have to walk or ride bikes.
> >
> > You won't have any TV as the space center in Houston will cut off
> > your
> > communications. You won't have any natural gas to heat your homes,
> > but since
> > Mr. Kerry has predicted global warming, you will not need the gas.
> >
> > Signed, The People of Texas,
> >
> > In God We Trust!! And, Remember the ALAMO!!!

Mballar
08 March 2005, 04:03 PM
Wow, how can we fix this problem? Dallas sure could use a billion dollars right now!

drumguy8800
08 March 2005, 06:17 PM
I love that e-mail, Foucault, except for the Bush thing.. we'll make trolleygirl governor. err, president.

I'm off to start a Texas secession thread w/ a poll..

Tnekster
08 March 2005, 06:27 PM
If Hillary ever became president (laugh) I could see people starting the secession movement but even that would never make it. Too many northern transplants live here now.

Lakewooder
08 March 2005, 08:17 PM
http://www.theplantation.net/images/pittypat.jpg"Yankees in Georgia! How'd they ever get in?"

msutton
08 March 2005, 10:59 PM
Gore took Dallas County i think....

tamtagon
09 March 2005, 12:40 AM
Their report shows that [DFW] commuters here paid $1.1 billion more in gas taxes than they received in road and rail projects in the last six years.

Is it possible that DFW commuters simply drive too much?

Someone please make sure I did the math right:

If each driver logged 10 fewer miles per week (conserve gasoline) that would be 1,560,000,000 fewer yearly miles driven (3 million driver, x52 x10). Estimate an average 15 mpg and that equals 104,000,000 gallons of gas. I dont know what the Federal gas tax is, but I'll use 0.20 per gallon. So, if 3 million DFW drivers drove 10 less miles per week, the Feds would collect $20,800,000 less tax dollars per year. That makes $124,800,000 in six years.

Using this formula, 3 million DFW commuters would each need to drive 70 fewer miles per week to result in $873,600,000 less Federal gas tax payed during the last six year.

Clearly, DFW commuter excessive driving could be a factor in the imbalance of taxes paid versus services received.

RobertB
09 March 2005, 11:25 AM
I love the way mass transit is the bridesmaid of every "transportation" plan.

The environmental group argues that metropolitan areas should get back at least 90 percent of the money they send to Washington. With the additional money, more cities across the Southern and Western United States could build more mass transit and rail lines, which would slow the growth in traffic congestion, according to the group's study.
That's what they say -- hey, if you just gave us more money, we'd be happy to support transit programs! But by the time the money gets to TxDOT, there's a new beltway that just *has* to be built, or perhaps there's projected growth in some cotton field in Collin County so we'd better build a road there "just in case".

Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.