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CTroyMathis
15 March 2002, 02:23 AM
Luxury High Rise Bringing Bit of Paris To Dallas
Vendôme Condominium Tower On Schedule For July Completion
By Mark Rea

A bit of Parisian flair is coming to the Turtle Creek area of Dallas as work progresses on the Vendôme Condominium Tower. Named for the luxurious Hotel de Vendôme located near the Louvre in Paris, the $90 million Vendôme tower will feature 119 high-end condominium units on its 2.09-acre location. Manhattan Construction Co. of Dallas is the general contractor for the 20-story, 611,757-sq.-ft. project developed by The Setai Group, based in New York City. With a target completion date of July 29, the project was 70 percent complete at the beginning of February.

"Everything is definitely on schedule for the target completion," said Manhattan project manager Neil Dostie. "We've hit our target dates throughout the project from groundbreaking to topping off last November. Of course, that makes it sound like this has been an easy project so far. That's not been the case. This has been an extremely challenging project." Since the Vendôme is being built in an existing residential area, sided by the extremely busy thoroughfares of Oak Lawn and Lemmon avenues, compression of the job site itself became the No. 1 hurdle to overcome. "We really didn't even have a staging area," said project superintendent Kevin McKay. "When deliveries were made, it wasn't like we could sort it out and get ourselves organized. We had to already have that lined out before any materials were delivered.

"There wasn't even a place to pour concrete from. From the property line, you went straight down all the way around. We had to make our own area just to unload reinforcing steel and concrete." Once the logistics for the site itself were figured out, the project team turned its attention to the Vendôme itself. The tower itself is actually three buildings in one, each rising over the three-level underground parking garage. "It's a very interesting conceptual design," said Jeffery Smith, AIA, principal for Dallas-based Gromatzky Dupree and Associates, the project's architect of record. "You have the tower building of high-end condominiums which has three separate pods so that there is no central connecting hallway that links them together. Instead, there are three separate elevator cores and six sets of stairs that connect them. That all sits atop a three-level parking garage and the logistics of making the structural frame work -- up in the tower and down below in the parking garage area -- was quite a challenge.

"And then on top of that, we have a swimming pool and back landscaped area that also sits on top of the parking garage. There is a parking garage lid that covers almost the entire site. The logistics of making all of these components that really don't relate to each other relate to each other is really an interesting challenge." Dostie said that the project would have been challenging enough due to the site restrictions. The design made it even more so. "The complexity of the structure itself makes for an extremely challenging project," he said. "For example, none of the columns align. In a typical building of this size, you might expect to see somewhere in the neighborhood of 24 columns. This one has 50 and none are the same shape or size. It's because of the way each of the pods is brought together. It creates a unique geometry that is very challenging."

Project architect Juan Alayo of New York City-based Alayo Architects PC believes the construction team has done an excellent job staying true to the owner's original vision. "Projects typically go through a series of different variations just to make sure the cost value is there and the correct decisions are being made," said Alayo, who travels to the site at least once every two weeks. "How the design has been managed and has maintained its integrity throughout the project is because of the collective teamwork between Gromatzky Dupree, Manhattan and the owner. The emphasis was kept on items that were very important to the owners as far as how they dealt with the end users, while cost value has been maximized with the non-visual items. I think this has been a very successful project so far."

The Vendôme was designed in reverse order from most projects of its kind. Normally, space inside a structure is adapted to the structure itself. With this project, it was the other way around. "The condominium units were designed first," Smith said. "The shape of the building, the views, all of that was paramount to the owner. Only then did the structure follow." The result was shear walls that run the entire height of the tower from the parking garage to the penthouse. That presented another hurdle for construction crews: how to get from one part of the project to another. "The way the building is positioned, at kind of an angle, it was almost like building three buildings at once," McKay said. "You would have either had to go all the way down to the ground floor or all the way up to the 19th floor to get into a new area because the pods are interrupted by continuous shear walls."

Wooden bridges were constructed to get workers around the shear walls until entire floors were completed. "That just tripled the amount of supervision we needed because of the way we had to get to where the work was," McKay said.

Tricky Concrete Logistics

Pouring concrete, normally one of the most stress-free facets of any construction project, became a logistical problem for Vendôme crews. "There was no place to pour it," McKay said. "So we made two spots to pour from and poured it all with two tower cranes." Compounding the problem was the construction schedule. At the height of construction, 430 workers were onsite but since the project sits squarely in a heavily populated residential area, no work could begin before 7 a.m. and none could progress past 6 p.m. In addition, area permitting stated that Saturday work was to be held to a minimum and there would be no Sunday work allowed. However, McKay and his support staff worked out a plan to maximize their pours during the 11-hour day and even managed to accelerate their pouring schedule as the tower began to take shape.

"When we poured a slab, we always poured the columns back on top of it," McKay said. "Even starting as late as we did in the day -- because 7 a.m. is a late start for pouring concrete -- we did all that in the course of our 11-hour day. Most low rise buildings start the pour about 2 o'clock in the morning and you have plenty of time during the rest of the day. Here, we didn't have that extra time. Usually, all of the concrete is down by the time the sun comes up. Here, we couldn't even get started until the sun was up. But we planned our concrete vertical work such that we could begin setting column rebar at 1 o'clock, set forms at 2, and then at 3 or 4, start pouring. Then we would pour at least 50 yds. of concrete in the remaining two hours of the day. That's a lot of concrete in a short amount of time and we did that all the way up (the tower). Every day we poured a slab, we poured columns back on top."

The original plan was to finish the slab and then pour columns the following day. "But once we'd finished the first floor and started the second, and saw how everything was working," McKay said, "we decided to step up the schedule. We had finished the first floor earlier than we'd thought it would take us. We poured the second, third and fourth floors at about 60 yds. per hour with one tower crane." Making those kinds of production numbers work would be normal for a regular pan deck slab, but 17 of the Vendôme's floors were 8-in. post-tensioned flat slabs, inlaid with 635 post-tension cables for added structural strength. Additionally, each floor had nearly 40 block-outs for duct work not counting eight elevators and six stairwells, from 180 to 190 separate plumbing sleeves, another 20 sleeves for electrical work and about 600 steel embeds for window systems and balcony rails.

"The concrete was truly an amazing feat when you consider what went into pouring one floor," Smith said. "All of the odd holes that had to be blocked or formed out, plus pouring over all of the post-tension cables. It's truly phenomenal." McKay said Manhattan used post-tension cables in the slabs up to the 17th floor before changing over to the usual pan deck slab on 18. The post-tension cables were brought back on 19 before switching again to pan deck on 20 and the roof. Smith explained that was done because the penthouse floors will feature two-story units. "On the penthouse floors, we wanted to have the ability to cut holes for future stairs or atrium spaces or things like that, so the future owners of those units could do whatever they wanted," he said. "There is more flexibility with pan deck in that you can cut your holes pretty much wherever you want. You can't do that with post-tension."

Still, throughout the building, Suncoast Post Tension of Houston supplied more than 720,000 linear ft., or over 135 miles, of PT cable for the project. While that cable provides stability for the structure, it's just one more headache during the concrete pouring process. "They all want to move," McKay said with a grin, "so you have to pour in the right order and in the right place. Plus, we had a lot of balconies and all of them had a hanging curb. If it had just been a flat surface out there, that would have been one thing. But we didn't have just a flat surface, so I think an average of 60 yds. an hour was remarkable." So remarkable that the pouring schedule was accelerated from one floor every eight days to one floor every six days.

"I don't think you can overstate how significant that was," Dostie said. "Typically, you would expect a PT slab of about 15,000 sq. ft. to be completed in about eight days and Kevin's crew was doing it is six. And that was with highly irregular slab shapes. Most of the floors had hundreds of embeds involved with them and then there was the coordination of the sleeves with the PT cables and none of those cables were straight. It's just remarkable what they were able to accomplish." The entire structure including the garage consists of approximately 35,000 cu. yds. of concrete.

Addition By Subtraction

Construction began in August 2000 following demolition of a pair of low rise office buildings and their underground parking garages. Nabors Demolition of Rockwall handled the demolition of the buildings and the removal of debris, although a portion of the underground garage walls was left and used as retaining walls for the Vendôme job site. No utility relocation was needed as crews drilled and poured approximately 220 piers. The deepest were drilled under each of the shear walls about 40 ft. into the limestone below the surface. Excavation for the parking garage and removal of the excavated material was subcontracted through Weir Brothers Inc. of Dallas. The garage consists of 12,000 cu. yds. on concrete and will house space for up to 326 vehicles in its 187,819 total sq. ft.

The underground facility will also house a spacious lobby, locker rooms, utility rooms and tenant storage areas. It connects to a wide corridor running the length of the property that leads to the tenant elevators as well as service and freight elevators. Also located on the first parking level is the central HVAC plant for all units. Central hot water and water softening facilities are located on the roof, which will be accentuated with slate title parapets. The Vendôme façade will consist of a three-coat stucco system, making it the largest stucco building of its size constructed in the Dallas area in over 10 years.

PROJECT TEAM:

General Contractor: Manhattan Construction Co., Dallas
Location: Dallas (Turtle Creek)
Owner: The Setai Group, New York City
Design Architect: Alayo Architects PC, New York City
Architect of Record: Gromatzky Dupree & Associates, Dallas
MEP Engineer: HLM Design, Dallas
Structural Engineer: Thornton Tomasetti Engineers, Dallas

tamtagon
14 January 2005, 04:41 PM
Interesting read about this building. Didnt George Michael (wake me up before you go go) buy one of the units?

CDALLEN2005
14 January 2005, 04:44 PM
Yes he did. I believe it was for $9 million. He and his partner lives there.

MazelT
14 January 2005, 05:20 PM
are there any renderings of this project?

CDALLEN2005
14 January 2005, 05:28 PM
are there any renderings of this project?Ummm....its been built already. Here's a pic though:

crescentboi
14 January 2005, 05:29 PM
http://www.dallashighrise.com/vendome/vendome.htm

CDALLEN2005
14 January 2005, 05:37 PM
Mind you, most of the press thought that George Michael bought a mansion in in Highland Park or in the Park Cities corridor. However, his condo at the Vendome is indeed a mansion "In The Sky".

texman
14 January 2005, 07:44 PM
Wasnt it having structural problems? Cracking and such?

crescentboi
14 January 2005, 08:21 PM
Yeah, I've heard it's been having some tough times. Rumor has it that a floor actually collapsed. But don't know about that.

CDALLEN2005
14 January 2005, 08:45 PM
^Now that's just ridiculous. A collapsed floor? Incompetent engineers?

texman
14 January 2005, 09:59 PM
^Now that's just ridiculous. A collapsed floor? Incompetent engineers?

Yes..incompenetent engineers. They exist, there only human.

rantanamo
14 January 2005, 10:08 PM
George Michael bought a home on Preston Trails as well.

CDALLEN2005
14 January 2005, 10:22 PM
Yes..incompenetent engineers. They exist, there only human.Yes, you're right. They are only human.

And believe me, if it was my condo that the floor collapsed in, I would be only human with a lawsuit to SUE THEIR FANNIES OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In GC's vocabulary, "ARSE=FANNIES"

texman
15 January 2005, 02:21 AM
Is this a completly concrete structure? Trying to visualize some reasons why the floor woulda collapsed.

chall
15 January 2005, 02:57 AM
Yes he did. I believe it was for $9 million. He and his partner lives there.
Am I out of touch? I did not realize these condos were completed and that they were already ready for occupancy...

CDALLEN2005
15 January 2005, 07:37 AM
Am I out of touch? I did not realize these condos were completed and that they were already ready for occupancy...
I believe you are slightly however. Yes, people already live here. Been living here. I would like to live here, despite the whole alleged floor incident.

ParkCitiesTexas
15 January 2005, 12:12 PM
The building has been finished over a year now. Old News, but still a great building to look at, I heard the same rumor about the collapsed floor as well though.

chall
15 January 2005, 12:51 PM
I believe you are slightly however. Yes, people already live here. Been living here. I would like to live here, despite the whole alleged floor incident.
Good lord- I was thinking we were talking about Cresta Bella. I suppose my brain was still a little fuzzy still from an extended happy hour... :0)

BigD5349
01 August 2006, 11:48 AM
Read full story in DBJ print edition...

Lawsuit enmeshes Vendome
Experts: Legal 'perfect storm' could cast pall on Dallas' condo boom

Dallas Business Journal - July 28, 2006
by Conrad Wilson and Christine Perez

The Vendome on Turtle Creek, one of the first luxury high-rise condominium projects to hit the Dallas scene a few years ago, commanded prices as high as $4.5 million per unit.

Now, in a lawsuit filed against the developer, general contractor and real estate agent, the project's Homeowners Association is seeking millions of dollars in damages for alleged construction defects and other issues.

Tnekster
01 August 2006, 12:55 PM
Lawsuit enmeshes Vendome
Experts: Legal 'perfect storm' could cast pall on Dallas' condo boom
Dallas Business Journal - July 28, 2006by Conrad Wilson and Christine PerezStaff Writers

The Vendome on Turtle Creek, one of the first luxury high-rise condominium projects to hit the Dallas scene a few years ago, commanded prices as high as $4.5 million per unit.

Now, in a lawsuit filed against the developer, general contractor and real estate agent, the project's Homeowners Association is seeking millions of dollars in damages for alleged construction defects and other issues.

Complaints range from the aesthetic, such as lobby décor that's not quite up to snuff, to the potentially dangerous, such as water leaks in the elevator pits. In the spring of 2004, court documents say, an elevator inspection revealed rusted and corroded elevator ropes -- but not before one of the elevators fell two floors and injured a woman who'd just returned from her husband's funeral.

The Vendome case has dragged on since it was first filed in 2004. It was scheduled to go to trial in late August, but last week was moved into arbitration.

Industry experts say the $90 million Vendome is hardly alone. Virtually every residential condo project built in Dallas over the last couple of years is involved or has been involved in litigation, they say. HOA lawsuits, described as "epidemic" in high-growth areas such as California and Las Vegas, are rapidly becoming a major concern in Dallas' emerging condo market, too.

Plaintiff attorneys who have found success in California and Arizona are moving into Texas, offering free inspections to HOAs, sources say. "It's really becoming a mill, its own industry," one developer representative said.

"There are 24 projects under construction in Dallas," said Joe Bryant with Dallas-based McLaughlin Brunson Insurance, which provides risk-management services and insurance to architects, engineers and environmental consultants. "A perfect storm is brewing."

The 4-year-old, 21-story Vendome, modeled after the Hotel de Vendome near the Louvre in Paris, sits at the corner of Lemmon Avenue and Turtle Creek Boulevard in one of the most exclusive areas of Uptown.

Inside, the Vendome's units are appointed with hardwood floors, marble bathrooms, granite countertops and custom cabinetry. Outside, fountains gurgled the other day while a small army of gardeners worked to coax the ivy to grow, despite the sweltering summer heat.

The garden is among the homeowners association's complaints. Residents say the landscaping is failing to thrive, due to the use of wrong soils and inefficient drainage systems. They put the cost of developing the formal European gardens they were promised at $750,000.

Other complaints involve the building's heating, ventilation and air-conditioning systems, drainage issues, soundproofing and waterproofing defects and a poorly designed fountain that often sprays residents at the porte-cochere entrance.

Both sides agree there are no concerns about the building's structural integrity.

In early 2004, New York-based Vendome Partners L.P. -- a joint venture between New York's Metropolitan Development Group, which developed the Dallas Vendome, and Lehman Bros. Holdings Inc. -- made some of the requested repairs and gave the HOA $153,000 for others. According to the HOA, the cost to make additional fixes and improvements will run more than $4 million.

Besides the construction issues, the HOA also is charging Vendome Partners and Dallas Realtor Judy Pittman with deceptive trade practices, saying they were promised a state-of-the-art security system, wrought-iron railing on the roof, a climate-controlled wine cellar and other amenities that were never delivered.

Counterclaim filed
The HOA is asking for $4 million from Vendome and Oklahoma-based Manhattan Construction Co. and $2 million from Pittman, plus other damages, court costs and attorneys fees.

Numerous condo owners were contacted for this story; all declined to be interviewed. In a 2004 letter to residents, the HOA asked owners to "exercise the utmost discretion in any conversations they may have regarding the delicate situation," to help "preserve the value of individual properties and the reputation of the building."

Manhattan, which calls the HOA lawsuit frivolous, is no slouch when it comes to condo construction. Besides the Vendome, the company built the $28 million second phase of The Plaza at Turtle Creek and is at work on the Ritz Carlton Hotel & Residences, a 21-story, $200 million development in Uptown. It also was recently selected as general contractor for the new Dallas Cowboys stadium in Arlington.

Manhattan filed a counterclaim earlier this year, asking for a clarification with regard to warranties, as its contract was with the Vendome developer, not the HOA.

The HOA took ownership of the Vendome's common areas in October 2003. Representatives say they brought the lawsuit only after being unable to directly resolve issues with Vendome Partners.

In mid-2004, the HOA hired Deborah Gagliardi to do an independent evaluation of the project. A principal at the locally based Gagliardi Group, she is a registered architect and mechanical professional engineer licensed in the state of Texas.

According to documents filed with the Dallas County District Court, Gagliardi found 47 issues that needed to be resolved.

Vendome Partners' attorney, Cynthia Dooley with Dallas-based Brousseau & Associates, said her client has different positions on the various complaints. She declined to provide more specifics, due to the pending litigation. The HOA's attorney also declined to be interviewed, as did Pittman.

In an affidavit, one HOA board member described a contentious meeting with Vendome Partners' John Conroy. The member said Conroy "vigorously disagreed" with the group's observations and said he would not be "writing any big checks" to resolve the issue. The meeting ended with Conroy vowing to "get on a plane to New York and never return to Texas."

Carolyn Shamis, one of the top residential Realtors in Dallas, said that's indicative of the problem. "What happens is, as the buildings don't sell out, the developer gets tired of it and things get shoved under the rug and don't get fixed," she said. "They try to stall and get the HOA to pay for things. They're carrying notes and don't want to spend any more money, so they just stop."

A lot of expectations
Arbitration regarding the Vendome situation is slated for March 2007. The outcome will be binding only between the HOA and Vendome Partners. Attorneys say that if the HOA gets a judgment against the developer, the developer will go after the construction company, which in turn will go after subcontractors. Fourteen subcontractors already have been brought into the matter; one of them, Americast L.L.C., has filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection.

From a risk-management perspective, condominiums differ from apartments or commercial projects because, once the condos are sold, the developer is out of the picture, turning over ownership of all common areas to a homeowner's association, which becomes responsible for maintenance and repairs. Because condos typically are sold before they're built, buyers often make decisions based on renderings and a vision. With multiple owners, there are a lot of expectations. In Texas, if just two or more unit owners are unhappy, HOAs have the right to pursue litigation.

Don Neff, president of Irvine, Calif.-based La Jolla Pacific, a third-party quality assurance services firm, said the Vendome exemplifies the typical HOA lawsuit. His company just opened a Dallas office. "We've been living with this for the last 10 years in California," he said. There, he said, insurance companies left the state, as they were suffering $3 to $4 in settlement losses for every $1 they collected. As a result, the condo-construction market went flat. Carriers have recently returned, this time with new insurance policies that require builders to "bleed with them," Neff said.

Under the old model, "the plaintiff's attorneys stand on the sidelines and watch the defendants duke it out," he said. "Whoever is left standing, the HOA collects from."

The new model, called a wrap insurance policy, simplifies things by bringing the insurance company, the developer and all subcontractors under one policy; all are represented by the same attorneys and all are financially responsible for any litigation that may occur.

Wrap-policy premiums are much higher. Ten to 15 years ago, a $1 million policy might have cost $20,000 or $30,000. The same coverage today will cost $650,000 to $800,000, Neff said.

Mike Puls, with Dallas-based multifamily and condo consultancy Foley & Puls Inc., said HOA lawsuits already have had a dramatic effect on insurance costs for developers. "And without a good insurance policy, they won't get financing from banks," he said.

HOA lawsuits will continue to proliferate, he said, because it's difficult to satisfy large groups of people.

"When you get a number of buyers in the same building, some will get bored and go looking for flaws," he said. "Or if a new building goes up, they'll ask, 'Why isn't ours as good as that one?' "

Staff writers Chad Eric Watt and Cynthia D. Webb contributed to this report.

cwilson@bizjournals.com | 214-706-7118 and cperez@bizjournals.com | 214-706-7120

TheCDAllenGroup
01 August 2006, 05:12 PM
^ My goodness gracious. I don't want to live here now. :(

St-T
01 August 2006, 07:35 PM
^No one will... not good for resale.

Boredkid
01 August 2006, 07:37 PM
not like the majority of us could afford to.

TheCDAllenGroup
01 August 2006, 08:12 PM
not like the majority of us could afford to.

I know I can't - for now.

freewaytincan
02 August 2006, 03:19 AM
I know I can't - for now.

At least not until you start building your real estate empire.

TheCDAllenGroup
02 August 2006, 06:55 AM
At least not until you start building your real estate empire.

Believe me, with prices as high as $4.5 million, it literally takes a real estate empire to buy one of those puppies.

clipper
02 August 2006, 09:31 AM
All this got it's start in California and amounts to legal blackmail. Law firms approach all of the residents in a condo or home community and say we can get you folks millions of dollars if you let us sue. They come up with a list of acres of so called "defects" and take the developers to court. They know that they'll eventually get a settlement or insurance payment. But what they are really after are the legal fees which have created a feeding frienzy for this type of things.

Columbus Civil
02 August 2006, 12:06 PM
Yes..incompenetent engineers. They exist, there only human.

Here.

crocodile_hunt_er
02 August 2006, 12:17 PM
All this got it's start in California and amounts to legal blackmail. Law firms approach all of the residents in a condo or home community and say we can get you folks millions of dollars if you let us sue. They come up with a list of acres of so called "defects" and take the developers to court. They know that they'll eventually get a settlement or insurance payment. But what they are really after are the legal fees which have created a feeding frienzy for this type of things.


I don't really think this is what is happening....the elevator did fall 2 stories after rusted cables snapped...

clipper
02 August 2006, 12:25 PM
Not doubting their are some defects. Just saying that this has become a huge legal industry to churn out settlements and legal fees.

AZDallasite
02 August 2006, 09:14 PM
All this got it's start in California and amounts to legal blackmail. Law firms approach all of the residents in a condo or home community and say we can get you folks millions of dollars if you let us sue. They come up with a list of acres of so called "defects" and take the developers to court. They know that they'll eventually get a settlement or insurance payment. But what they are really after are the legal fees which have created a feeding frienzy for this type of things.

At my last track in Scottsdale, homeowners would show me letters they received from construction defect lawyers. They would look for the slightest of things just to file a class-action suit. In cases like this, only the lawyers win.

lagunadallas
04 August 2006, 10:49 PM
At my last track in Scottsdale, homeowners would show me letters they received from construction defect lawyers. They would look for the slightest of things just to file a class-action suit. In cases like this, only the lawyers win.

This happened to me in the condo/townhome community in Las Vegas where I owned before moving to Dallas. Our HOA president was an idiot tool who went along with one of these lawyers, spent many thousands of our HOA dollars on attorneys and inspectors to look for defects, and found nothing of significance. A bunch of homeowners got together to sue the HOA president for wasting the community money without putting it to a proper vote just as I was moving. There was talk of hundreds of thousands of dollars in repairs and trying to get a settlement from the builder --- none of which ever was necessary or happened --- and I had to leave a chunk of money tied up in escrow for a year after I moved until it was all settled. The whole thing was ridiculous.

hamiltonpl
05 August 2006, 02:03 PM
A lawyer who contacts a prospective client about a case can be disbarred. If a lawyer does this, contact the state bar immediately. It is called unlawful solicitation.

The website is: www.texasbar.com. The phone number is (800)932-1900.

Clients are supposed to contact a lawyer about a case, not the other way around. I don't like lawyers who sniff around for a case. However, if there is a true defect in construction or a broken promise, I do want those homeowners to be made whole.

Blaming the lawyers for faulty contstruction is like a criminal blaming the police for getting caught. Both complaints fall on deaf ears. But if these statements are true about lawyer solicitaiton, there is a way to stop them. Contact the State Bar quickly and liberally.

clipper
05 August 2006, 04:35 PM
If this is so, then why is it when I have an auto accident or get a ticket my mailbox fills up with solicitation letters from lawyers? Likewise, a law firm contacted me and offered to help fight a tax appraisal on some commercial property.

hamiltonpl
05 August 2006, 10:35 PM
Report them. If you don't, you forfeit your rights to complain about it.

Ersatz
16 June 2008, 06:01 PM
THE VENDROME is undergoing a major refitting of its balconies. After a few brief years the composite stone balustrade railing on all the balconies were crumbling and falling apart. After a huge section of on one these balustrade railings collapsed and plunged to the terraces on the first floor a decision was made to replace the costly and architecturally significant and imposing balustrades with wispy and visually invisible aluminum railings.

What was once an important architectural feature of this expensive tower is now rapidly disappearing. The exterior of the building is greatly cheapened by this change, however, a great advantage to the dwellers inside the building is they now have 50% better views from their condo units by loosing the huge mass of the balustrade system which blocked much of the view and a lot of it while sitting down.

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll177/jdbdallas/listings102007066.jpg

JohnMcKee
16 June 2008, 06:30 PM
a great advantage to the dwellers inside the building]

Not to mention those below who won't have to worry about being crushed by falling balconies.

It's sad that they are going away though, it really was a significant architectural element of the building but I can understand that the cost of just removing them is staggering and the cost to replace them, even with cheaper steel is going to be very significant.

Ersatz
16 June 2008, 07:56 PM
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll177/jdbdallas/IMG_0263.jpg

Here is a picture of the progress. The two verticals from the left have been done. The middle ones are in progress and the right ones are still intact waiting to kill.

texcolo2
16 June 2008, 08:01 PM
I work in the construction industry, and as an insider I can tell you that it is very likely the building could have had a floor collapse. Here in Denver we had a floor collapse during the curing process when the supports bear all of the weight and the concrete contains none of the strength. If the deck is not supported correctly or with enough temporary support beams then look out. This happens rarely but it is probable.

Ersatz
16 June 2008, 08:05 PM
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likely to be the case or to happen : it is probable that the economic situation will deteriorate further | the probable consequences of his action.
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and....

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Mballar
16 June 2008, 08:24 PM
Does anyone know what the occupancy rate is for the Vendome?

Ersatz
16 June 2008, 08:33 PM
It is 100% occupied except for 3 Shell Penthouses. 23 units are listed for sale out of 119. That is 23% for sale! But they are all occupied.

Mballar
16 June 2008, 08:40 PM
Wow! I thought that with all the problems, more units would be empty.

KesslerDweller
16 June 2008, 09:22 PM
Hmmm . . . lawyers are worthless and are the demise of our country.

I would love to see the settlements of the HOA's on these lawsuits and see how much money the lawyers get in comparison to the HOA.

Lawyers only make money when there is conflict and they have no incentive to work less on lawsuits no matter which side they are on.

sdub
16 June 2008, 09:32 PM
I'm hoping there's some hidden flaw in that "mansard" roof that requires it to be replaced with something less expensive, more practical and vaguely of this century.

carousel
17 June 2008, 10:02 AM
Hmmm . . . lawyers are worthless and are the demise of our country.

I would love to see the settlements of the HOA's on these lawsuits and see how much money the lawyers get in comparison to the HOA.

Lawyers only make money when there is conflict and they have no incentive to work less on lawsuits no matter which side they are on.

So we need to forget that it is the client who retained the lawyer and it is the client that initiatied the lawsuit (sometimes for good cause and sometimes in the spirit of vexatious lititation?)

sdub
17 June 2008, 10:15 AM
So we need to forget that it is the client who retained the lawyer and it is the client that initiatied the lawsuit (sometimes for good cause and sometimes in the spirit of vexatious lititation?)

I'd have to agree. As greedy as many lawyers may be, it's only a percentage of their client's greed.

Condo owners forming classes with the leadership of a law firm is a problem. Contractors seem to avoid it by forming LLPs (or similar) expressly for the duration of construction. Sub-contractors, manufacturers and design professionals end up on the hook.

KesslerDweller
17 June 2008, 10:16 AM
Yes, I in certain instances lawyers are needed but in context of condos and real estate, "clients" that are initiating the lawsuit rarely have skin in the game and are being lead by greedy lawyers on contingency.

If the clients had to put up $50,000 of their own money to get started, you can bet that the "claims" would go down 98%.



So we need to forget that it is the client who retained the lawyer and it is the client that initiatied the lawsuit (sometimes for good cause and sometimes in the spirit of vexatious lititation?)

sdub
17 June 2008, 10:28 AM
That would definitely reduce the "claims" but how many legitimate claims would never get to court? If it's 2% of the current total, who tells that 2% they don't get a shot at justice because they're poor?

ksig121
17 June 2008, 10:48 AM
Here is a picture of the progress. The two verticals from the left have been done. The middle ones are in progress and the right ones are still intact waiting to kill.

I think that the new railing gives the building a much cleaner look. It's amazing how one small change can greatly improve the look of a building.