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CTroyMathis
13 December 2003, 08:26 PM
It keeps going in DFW... I like this for some reason, even if it's just a plan at this point. Fulfills desires many have for vertical along waterfronts.

Check it out:
http://www.dallasnews.com/localnews/city/grandprairie/stories/121403dngrptowers.509e8.html

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Builder thinking big with lakeside project
Council is considering upscale development with shops, apartments


05:41 PM CST on Saturday, December 13, 2003

By STEPHANIE SANDOVAL / The Dallas Morning News

When developer Marcus McNamara looks across the bare flatland prairie next to Joe Pool Lake, he envisions a complex of high-rise buildings with penthouse views of the lake and the Dallas and Fort Worth skylines.

The project, which is to feature upscale apartments, executive offices, boutiques, specialty food shops and a penthouse restaurant, could be under construction next year if City Council members approve zoning for it on Tuesday.

Lakeview Development Group LLC is proposing to build three 13- or 14-story structures on a 17.8-acre site on the east side of Lake Ridge Parkway, on the lower end of the Estes Peninsula.

Some city officials say the project, called Blue Prairie, would make the Estes Peninsula a destination place, catering to upper-income clients and visitors from across the Dallas area.

"We had never thought of anything of that magnitude out there, that height," Mayor Charles England said. "But that kind of development – that's very upscale; that is going to bring a lot of high-income people to live and shop there – is a great asset for the whole peninsula."

But it's a project the developer acknowledges probably couldn't happen in a few years, as new home construction and other development encroaches upon the site.

"We couldn't do this in five or 10 years," said Mr. McNamara, acknowledging that the current lack of development in the area makes it easier to get approval for a project that would be among the tallest lakeside developments in the Dallas region.

Though a star atop the atrium of the Gaylord Texan Resort and Convention Center (formerly known as Opryland Texas) under construction near Grapevine Lake will stand 165 feet high, the hotel itself will have only nine floors.

There is no formal opposition to the Blue Prairie plan, perhaps in part because as of yet there are no neighbors. The closest developments are to the northwest, in the Grand Peninsula subdivision, and south of the lake in the Lake Ridge community.

Immediately north, developers have yet to start construction on a proposed golf resort hotel and city conference center. And though there are plans for a large residential community and some smaller commercial and retail uses immediately west, construction hasn't started there.

Getting the Blue Prairie project approved before the area develops much further is also a simple real estate issue.

"We couldn't find the land in a few years," Mr. McNamara said. And even if it were available, the cost will have skyrocketed, he added.

The height is needed to obtain the scenic views that will be the chief selling point for clients, Mr. McNamara said.

The project is targeted toward empty nesters and executives who want to live, work, dine and shop in one upscale location with amenities such as a fitness club, concierge service and a lake view.

But the shops and restaurants would also cater to residents in the Lake Ridge custom-built luxury home community and shoppers and diners from elsewhere, he said.

"I want the snobs of Plano to come down – to attract that kind of people who go, 'You should go down to the shops of Blue Prairie and see the views from there,' " Mr. McNamara said.

The $60 million to $65 million project would take about two years to complete, he said.

The developers have already purchased the site, the only privately owned acreage on the east side of the Estes Peninsula. The rest is owned by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and leased by the city.

"I used to live out at Lake Ridge years ago and fell in love with the views in the area and would just scratch my head and go, 'Why isn't there something down there?' " Mr. McNamara said.

The architectural design for the development would follow the "Prairie modern" style the city established for commercial development in the lake area.

"This is a real sharp-looking property," said City Council member Ron Jensen, whose District 6 includes the lake area. "This is just the type of project I would like to see out there."

City Planning and Zoning Commission members unanimously recommended approval of the zoning case.

CTroyMathis
13 December 2003, 08:34 PM
'Snobs of Plano...'

^Lol.

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This could, repeat could, be pretty damn cool.
Who knows.

I haven't said many nice things about GP in ages.

dallastophoenix
13 December 2003, 10:11 PM
i think this will be such a great development for that area... plano and frisco can't come close to the views and topography of that area... hopefully it gets done!

CTroyMathis
13 December 2003, 10:47 PM
I'd like to see some more visuals and information on this proposal. But, it really sounds interesting to say the least. Yep, the scenery will be pretty sweet from that vantage point.

Hopefully before this 'next year' start date - we'll have lots of renderings and so on.

gc
14 December 2003, 03:00 AM
Agreed, this could be awesome and the beginning of a new trend. GP highrises on a lake...Arlington highrises around the Ballpark....man....think of the excitement!

CTroyMathis
14 December 2003, 03:41 AM
:D

Who'da thunk?!!

CTroyMathis
17 January 2004, 07:07 PM
14. Z031103 – Zoning Change – Blue Prairie Lofts/Shops/Offices (City Council
District 6). Consider a request for approval of zoning change of approximately
17.80 acres from Agriculture (A) District to Planned Development for a mixed
use development including multi-family, restaurants and office uses. The site is
generally located east of Lake Ridge Parkway and south of Hangar Lowe Road,
and is currently zoned Agriculture (A) District.
Owner: Joe Pool Partnership Fund, Ltd. / Lakeview Development Group, LLC
Applicant: Lakeview Development Group, LLC
[City Council Action: December 16, 2003]

gc
05 February 2004, 01:24 AM
Lake project seeks resort style
Lakeview Development plans high-rise condos and commercial space
10:36 PM CST on Wednesday, February 4, 2004
By STEVE BROWN / The Dallas Morning News
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/020504dnbusjoepool.ec34.html

Developers are planning a high-rise residential and office project that would look right at home at home on Padre Island or in Cancun.

But this development – called Blue Prairie – is earmarked for a location on Joe Pool Lake.

Lakeview Development Group said Wednesday that it's pushing ahead with plans to build the almost 18-acre complex with three 14-story towers on Lake Ridge Parkway in Grand Prairie.

The project – which would contain apartments, condominiums, offices and shops – received approval from the Grand Prairie City Council in December.

Developers are doing engineering work and preparing to build a marketing center for the project, principal Marcus McNamara said Wednesday.

"Our intent is to do all three buildings at once," said Mr. McNamara, who with partner Bill Moist has previously developed land in the area. "The top floors are residential on two buildings.

"And we are looking at a penthouse restaurant on the top floors of one building," he said.

The developers describe the architecture, a skyline of gray and white buildings with blue roofs, as "prairie modern."

The development, which is expected to cost $72 million, still has some hurdles to cross before construction begins. Mr. McNamara said it needs several more months of planning and engineering work, and Lakeview also needs to get financing and sell the condos. Blue Prairie will have more than 100 luxury condominiums that will range in price from about $250,000 to more than a half million dollars.

Mr. McNamara predicts they won't have trouble wooing buyers.

"Where else do you have that kind of a view over a lake?" he said. "The new buzzword is resort-style living. That's the market we're looking at."

The master plan for the project includes 510 residential units and 100,000 square feet of commercial space.

E-mail stevebrown@dallasnews.com

CTroyMathis
27 March 2004, 01:41 PM
Rendering:

gc
27 March 2004, 03:51 PM
cool.

JBB
27 March 2004, 04:08 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that rendering makes it look as if Gaylord is building a resort on Joe Pool?

CTroyMathis
05 May 2004, 07:11 PM
I don't really know this part of Grand Prairie at all. Anyone care to make a guess (or do you know) if you can somewhat see - say downtown Dallas from this location? Perhaps at the top of these proposed buildings instead?

CTroyMathis
18 January 2005, 01:02 PM
I still wonder about this.

CTroyMathis
18 January 2005, 01:03 PM
Recap of rendering:

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2094

CTroyMathis
18 January 2005, 01:20 PM
And, we have a few more looks now...
From here: http://professionalequities.com/blueprairie.htm

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4822

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4826

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4825

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4823

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4824

freewaytincan
18 January 2005, 01:22 PM
That parking plan with the retail out by itself is very, very suburban.

RobertB
18 January 2005, 02:01 PM
That parking plan with the retail out by itself is very, very suburban.
But the high-rise residential isn't. It's an interesting concept... in some ways, it's a bit like the faux "town center" shopping centers in places like Flower Mound. Both plans put something from another setting into the middle of nowhere.

While it may seem silly, it makes sense -- imagine the land cost of building this in Uptown, Galleria, or Plano! But the reason an area like Uptown can support high-rise residential is because there's more than a couple of boutiques on the ground floor -- there's an entire diverse community in place. You don't even need a car. Will the high-rise residential survive without the surrounding community, and with no form of transit other than the Hummer in the parking garage?

The idea isn't without precedent... cf Irving's Las Colinas development. But Las Colinas was more than just one batch of buildings and a lake. It'll be interesting to see if this works.

rantanamo
18 January 2005, 02:12 PM
appropriately beachy. But yes, suburban. Just not the Texas ideal of suburban so far. This is what I'd like to see around White Rock or Ray Hubbard since neither area will ever allow a real dense urban zoning. There are plenty of place in each place where these wouldn't block their 'natural' view.

CTroyMathis
23 June 2005, 01:23 PM
From: The Office of the City Manager Date: 6-21-2005
Subject: Agenda Item No. E.2
Sign Plan for Blue Prairie Development (tabled from the June 7, 2005 meeting)
Consider a Sign Plan for the Blue Prairie development generally located on the east
side of Lake Ridge Parkway and south of England Parkway.
PRESENTER: Bill Crolley, Director of Planning and Development
Staff will be meeting with the applicant and sending out a recommendation in the Friday packet.
RECOMMENDED ACTION:
Consider Approval of the Sign Plan
ANALYSIS:
Staff has received a request from the property owner of the Blue Prairie tract to include signage and
information on the construction fence that will be used during the construction of the Blue Prairie
development. The UDC does allow for the approval of a sign plan in this instance. Attached is a layout
of the sign plan proposed by the applicant. Since this was a concept that the City has not seen as part of
the construction process, staff wanted to bring it to the City Council for consideration.
UPDATED STAFF RECOMMENDATION:
Staff recommends approval with the following conditions:
1. In the event a construction fence is used no signage will be placed on the fence until building
permits have been issued for the Marketing Center and Tower 1.
2. In conjunction with the Marketing Center a 150 square foot Development sign with a maximum
height of 25’ will be allowed. This sign can be constructed once a building permit has been
issued for the Marketing Center.
3. A site plan with exact location shall be approved by staff.
4. All signage must be maintained and painted.
5. Additional signage may be considered by the City Council in conjunction with the permitting of
Tower 1.

http://www.gptx.org/CityCouncil/documents/Agenda.pdf

freewaytincan
23 June 2005, 04:31 PM
It'll look kind of weird though. There's really very little development around that lake. In fact I think its entirely parks.

Tnekster
23 June 2005, 04:43 PM
^That is changing rapidly. If you have not been down Lake Ridge in the last 3-6 months you may as well never have been down the road. The only portion not being developed right now is the Peninsula.

rantanamo
23 June 2005, 05:37 PM
Whatever municipality owns the parks had better put a stake in the ground now or face Lake Ray Hubbard consequences.

Tnekster
23 June 2005, 06:45 PM
^What does that mean? The park is a state park, I don't think it belongs to any municipality. Dallas owns the land along the dam on the north end.

rantanamo
23 June 2005, 09:28 PM
You don't know the tale of poor old Lake Ray Hubbard?

I'd imagine Dallas owns the land around the shores like the rest of their reservoirs. Of course, not the state park land.

Tnekster
24 June 2005, 12:03 AM
I think I have heard bits and pieces but missed most of it. As for Joe Pool I think the situation is different from RH because JP is not a water source where RH is. I think Grand Prairie owns the western shore and when the Wildflower resort was proposed the resort would have taken the entire peninsula including the shoreline. I have a map im my office that shows the city boundaries and I think on this particular lake Dallas ownership in the lake ends at the dam. I will have to remember to look on Monday.

rantanamo
24 June 2005, 12:21 AM
that's good then.

cwilson336
13 September 2005, 11:21 AM
My understanding of the ownership of Joe Pool and adjacent property is that it is technically owned by the Army Corps of Engineers with the cities, mainly GP, Cedar Hill, and Mansfield leasing the property from the Army Corps. The respective cities then sublett it to various developers (e.g. Blue Prairie & Wildflower).

Tnekster
13 September 2005, 04:14 PM
^ I think GP took onwnership from the corps last year. They were able to work out a deal to purchase the marina area on the north end for a city park. I know they have big plans for it, one being the Salt Lick restaurant, but I don't know beyond that.

DallasStar
23 February 2006, 12:08 PM
Do anyone have any updates on the Blue Prairie and Wild FLower Developments in Grand Prairie?

Thanks

Tnekster
23 February 2006, 12:16 PM
I took a drive out there recently and saw a big nothing. Not even a sign.

DallasStar
23 February 2006, 12:30 PM
I took a drive out there recently and saw a big nothing. Not even a sign.


Dang it! I took a look at the Wild Flower website and they acting like this thing was half way done.