DTD: Gulf States Bldg. + 1414 Elm + Third Rail Lofts (1407 Main)(16 ST.)

[texcolo2]

The sign for Jason's Deli was hung today.

BTW, you won't hear me complaining about this building, or giving a knee-jerk reaction. It gets a B+ to an A- for its urban design. It incorporates the average pedestrian really well, has little blank walls, varied stroefronts, wide sidewalks, etc. In fact, my major grip is the layout of the sidewalk, which for some reason stairsteps in the middle of it.

I concur.

This is an excellent example of new-urbanism.

[FoUTASportscaster]

The funny thing is, aside from the garage above the retail, below the retail, this is really a great example of the traditional build of cities, aside from the last 50 years in America.

[dtdresident]

I used the ATM at the Chase Bank today. Anyone know if the ATM in the entrance is accessible after hours? I noticed a little box near the door. Is it one where you use your bank card for entrance?


Spoke to the manager at Chase a few days ago - he stated that your ATM card will let you in to withdraw money and keep the homeless out...

[Kelley USA]

WAMU does the same thing over in the West Village...

[mjblazin]

Except for drive ups, you don't see many non-secure ATMs unless it's inside a mall, store, airport, etc. Insurance pretty much drove that requirement. In fact, many banks got out of the stand alone (not attached to branch) ATM business pretty much ceding that market to the non-bank fee based machines.

[TexasStar]

Down On Main Street

http://urbandallas.us/images/down_on_main_street_12-02-07.jpg

[Tnekster]

Wow! Looks great.

[cowboyeagle05]

^Person who is giddy, yes and will be a future customer at the new Downtown Dallas Location!

[msutton]

Well that there looks like a real downtown, dagnabbit!

[vman]

Anyone know when Jason's is slated to open. I walked passed it the other day and it shouldn't be long. The Now Hiring sign was up.

[Kelley USA]

Jason's Deli is going to do fantastic DT!!! I can only imagine how busy this place is going to be at lunch time. Perhaps this will spur other retailers, restaurants etc...

[DallasMan]

I know they are going to rock out at lunch, but I think they will do fine at dinner as well. Their menu is so broad that they can bring in people who are hungry for all sorts of things. I know that we will now be patronizing this location instead of the one on Mockingbird, even though I live at Knox/Henderson!! Yea Jason's Deli!

[dtdresident]

Anyone know when Jason's is slated to open. I walked passed it the other day and it shouldn't be long. The Now Hiring sign was up.


The sign on the front states that they are plannin to open on December 17th. Can't wait! I hope this is another catalyst for Main Street and that this area becomes a pedestrian heavy destination at all hours!!!

[jsoto3]

I know they are going to rock out at lunch, but I think they will do fine at dinner as well.
Except that they will close at 3pm every day. You'll have to continue patronizing the Mockingbird location if you want to have dinner there.

[tamtagon]

Except that they will close at 3pm every day. You'll have to continue patronizing the Mockingbird location if you want to have dinner there.

That's what they gotta do to keep a profit, it's an entirely natural business decision and there's nothing longterm about it which will inhibit the downtown streetscene. They'll stay open at night as soon as enough people live in the neighborhood to crave the occasional muffaletta so the place can almost break even during the evening daypart -- breaking even and/or a profit will come from non-CBD residents drawn to the area because it's a cool atmosphere that does not exist anywhere else in North Texas except for downtown Fort Worth.

[vman]

Except that they will close at 3pm every day. You'll have to continue patronizing the Mockingbird location if you want to have dinner there.
Are you sure?? Someone in the office here said Jason's will have an 11-9 schedule.

[Kelley USA]

I bet they can get a ton of catering business for all the offices... I think if the rest of DT looked as good as this palce does we'd have no problem leasing space...

[DallasMan]

Except that they will close at 3pm every day. You'll have to continue patronizing the Mockingbird location if you want to have dinner there.

Oh snap! Really?!? Oh, that is sad news. Well, if this is true, I hope their hours change soon after they open.

[vman]

Those hours are correct. I walked passed again during lunch and the hours are posted on the window.

[fm40804]

11-9 is correct.

Even better is they are open sunday....

[jsoto3]

11-9 is correct.

Even better is they are open sunday....
If you're right, then the hours posted on their storefront are wrong. The hours posted are until 3, and closed saturday and sunday.

[texcolo2]

Ok, ok ok....

I WAS WRONG!!!

I admit it.

The Hunt Building is ok... just as long as DT Dallas has stuff like above coming on-line. This is awesome.

:dsquare:

[xen0blue]

While I wish that it would be a southern-style food joint that serves southern food like catfish king, a jason's deli will do, I guess, even though i'll never set foot in it because I don't like deli. But as long as it bolsters downtown, i'm all for it!

[dtdresident]

11-9 is correct.

Even better is they are open sunday....
Which is it? 11-9 or only till 3? If it's lunch time only and closed on the weekend - that really sux!

[carousel]

the hrs on the store are correct - 3 p.m. closing.

[freewaytincan]

the hrs on the store are correct - 3 p.m. closing.

How unbelievably lame.

[Spjz]

^Not a huge loss considering that the Urban Market cafe is much better. Personally I would rather have a Chilie's downtown than a Jason's Deli.

[aldinger]

I went into the restaurant with some other friends of mine (we all live at the Met) and talked to the Manager while they were working on the final touches last Saturday. According to her (and some other authoritative gentleman present at the time), they will be open M-F 7-3. They have no plans of extending those hours as corporate did an "extensive study" and determined that there isn't enough business to justify the overhead outside those hours.

My friends and I expressed our disappointment that Jason's would open in the bottom of an apartment building, on a block that is extensively residential, and not be available to service those residents. It would have been much better for them to open underground if they were planning on only serving the business lunch crowd... I would have prefered another organization that would be available to residents in the area to move in that prime retail space.

For those of you who live downtown, please continue to support Which Wich, Lenny's, Subway (which is even open on Sunday!) and other deli type places. At least they contribute to the options that are available to us downtowners on the weekends!

[grantboston]

^If you want Jason's Deli to succeed, or at least succeed enough to extend its hours, shouldn't you patron the place as much as you can to prove there is enough demand to warrant later hours?

It seems kinda counter-intuitive to complain they're not serving the residents by closing too early and then by your actions simply confirm their "extensive corporate study" by staying away.

Ignoring Jason's Deli isn't going to solve the problem of short hours. In fact, I imagine it will just exacerbate it.

[vman]

For those of you who live downtown, please continue to support Which Wich, Lenny's, Subway (which is even open on Sunday!) and other deli type places. At least they contribute to the options that are available to us downtowners on the weekends!
I hear ya. With those hours, I can never eat there during the week anyway. You know the place will be crazy during lunch. Dinner was the only time I would have dined there. You're right, with those hours, the tunnel would have been a better choice, leaving that space to an eatery serious about downtown's revival. Unless the hours change, Jason's is a waste of a wonderful space.

[BigD5349]

I was never particularly excited about Jason's going in there, but I could see that DT residents would want more fast casual places to eat. I've been more bothered by the Chase Bank branch going in at the corner of Main & Akard. There's just not a lot of contiguous storefronts in downtown anymore, so this core is where Dallas has to make downtown work. I believe we are waiting for the downtown population to be able to carry Main street exclusively on their backs... I'm not sure if and when that's gonna happen. I hope that the opening of the Merc and the downtown parks will push Main Street over the edge.

You've got to give people a reason to go downtown again so that the businesses have a diversified base of customers to service at night and on the weekends. It's one of the reasons that I'd like to see Main St turned into a pedestrian-only corridor. And, put in a circulator to get the walking tourists into the core. That will help businesses extend their hours because they can service more than one type of customer in the evenings and weekends.

Then, you'd have some kind of novel in the region, a reason to go downtown for a different shopping experience. But if we end up with chains, bank branches, etc, then I think it's going to be tough. No one's going to make a special trip downtown for that.

Even with all that, we're going to have to tolerate these ridiculous hours. It's not because Jason's is playing the bad guy. It's because we don't have a real downtown yet. I hope it gets there -- soon.

[DallasMan]

I hear ya. With those hours, I can never eat there during the week anyway. You know the place will be crazy during lunch. Dinner was the only time I would have dined there. You're right, with those hours, the tunnel would have been a better choice, leaving that space to an eatery serious about downtown's revival. Unless the hours change, Jason's is a waste of a wonderful space.

Kind of have to agree. I will probably never eat there now, unless I just happen to be on Main at lunch time (since I work in Uptown - unlikely). I hope they are so successful they decide to extend their hours soon!

[Kelley USA]

The reality is they are probably right for now... There will not be that much demand past 3 until more residents move in. It's not like people who work DT are going to make this their destination for dinner plans. And let's be honest, the majority of people who live DT might eat at JD's once a month if they were open on weekends. It's not like everyone who lives DT is going to frequent this place every weekend... Just look at West End- even with the tourists places struggle to stay open and many of them have closed. And these are places that were open at night and weekends! Once demand is high enough, you'll see many places start to expand hours...

[aldinger]

I agree with everyone... and I understand why Jason's is doing what their doing. It doesn't mean that it doesn't completely suck though! My husband and I love Jason's on Saturday when you're trying to grab a healthy lunch... there just aren't that many healthy places downtown (with free ice cream to boot! - OK, so that's not so healthy). We do have a lot of great restaurants, but it would be nice to have a neighborhood deli nearby where I could grab some soup if I'm sick (and some Halls at CVS), or a salad from the salad bar. I'm tired of having to choose between bar food/bar crowd (Ten, City Tavern) and fine dining(which I love, but can't afford to eat all the time). Outside that, it's Italian or Mexican.

[vman]

Off Subject, but anyone know the hours of the Quizno's deli in the old Conspiracy Museum bldg???

[texcolo2]

You need to show up at Jason's at 2:55pm with a large crowd and stay until 9.

That's called camping out.

[UrbanBiker]

Jason’s has anteed up and snagged a prime location early in the game. I would imagine that sometime over the next 12-16 months as Gulf States & Company, Republic Center, Mosaic, and the Mercantile Block really come on-line we will see a change in hours. Right now, downtown should just be thankful for what they get. And Jason’s is an ok start for one of a few Branded establishments to make the plunge such as Jos. A Banks. As more residential comes in we will also start to get hundreds of friends and family coming to visit on a nightly basis. In the near term, I think that is what will drive the after five business. In any case, it’s started. If a Chili’s can make it in DT Fort Worth, surely they will be open to taking a good look at Dallas in the not so distant future.

[msutton]

Which Wich is better anyway, IMO, and a Dallas baby. Jason's just trying to cash in on the investment others have made, and if they don't have the faith and dedication to risk losing a little money at night or on the weekends (which is fine: they're a corporate entity with no need to help Dallas -- which is exactly why we need to court and help even more new, Dallas-born stores and restaurants in this area, because their fortunes will be tied to the fortunes of Downtown, and they will be important pioneers. They're the best things down there now, anyway), then lets let the Dallas institutions reap the benefits.

[Kelley USA]

Well, JD's is a Texas Corp. and I'll support that!!! Remember Brinker once invested in DT with 2 street front Corner Bakery restaurants (1 in the Kirby building and 1 in West End). Closed and closed!!!! Atlanta Bread Co. even tried a store in DT and it closed... We should be thankful Jason's is willing to give this a shot.

[DallasMan]

Wait... 1) There was a Corner Bakery in the Kirby? 2) The Corner Bakery in the West End closed? I see its no longer on their website - how long ago did it close? It always seemed busy when I worked nearby and went there for breakfast or lunch.

[Tnekster]

Well, JD's is a Texas Corp. and I'll support that!!! Remember Brinker once invested in DT with 2 street front Corner Bakery restaurants (1 in the Kirby building and 1 in West End). Closed and closed!!!! Atlanta Bread Co. even tried a store in DT and it closed... We should be thankful Jason's is willing to give this a shot.

When did West End close?

[Kelley USA]

Wait... 1) There was a Corner Bakery in the Kirby? 2) The Corner Bakery in the West End closed? I see its no longer on their website - how long ago did it close? It always seemed busy when I worked nearby and went there for breakfast or lunch.

Yes, there was a Corner Bakery in the Kirby... It didn't last long at all!!!

[CityLove]

I for one think this stinks! I'm not saying anything new here really, that hasn't been said already. But I actually like Jason's Deli...as aldinger said, it's a good healthy option, something we are sorely lacking in the CBD. And I would have patronized this establishment fairly often - had they been interested in having my business. As it is, they clearly are not. Staying away, as several people have said, won't be hard since I'm never in DT during their business hours anyway!

I understand, in my head, why they are doing this. They don't have to do anything to help DT. However, I am very disappointed that they are taking up a piece of prime real estate and then only using it from 7-3 on weekdays.

[Lionel Hutz]

Remember Brinker once invested in DT with 2 street front Corner Bakery restaurants (1 in the Kirby building and 1 in West End). Closed and closed!!!!
Actually, you may be thinking of the Corner Bakery in the Wilson Building (the old H.L. Green). The spot where Corner Bakery used to be is now Press Box.

This thing isn't going to happen overnight, as we all know. Simply staying open until 9 wouldn't make people come there at 8. At least not enough to justify the cost and expense of being open.

Nobody said these hours are permanent. They can change is business demands it.

[cowboyeagle05]

The Corner Bakery in the West End closed? I see its no longer on their website - how long ago did it close? It always seemed busy when I worked nearby and went there for breakfast or lunch.

The West End Corner Bakery is definitely not closed its stays very busy during its open hours being near the West End station. I continuously see people walking to the West End for lunch everyday, business men and others. Even though the West End is smaller now, people still go their for lunch. Jason's Deli will help Main Street be a better destination for lunch and expand when its right. Once people know more of this Main Street thing they will come for more than just Lunch.

[Kelley USA]

Yes, you're correct... I was thinking of Wilson. My bad! I wonder why the West End Corner Bakery is not listed on their website? They only show a location in Plaza of The Americas...

[DallasMan]

^Maybe it has something to do w/ franchise vs. non-franchise? Doubt it. Its probably just a mistake! We should let them know, so that their West End location doesn't miss out on business.

[cowboyeagle05]

Yes, you're correct... I was thinking of Wilson. My bad! I wonder why the West End Corner Bakery is not listed on their website? They only show a location in Plaza of The Americas...
Yes I have visited the one in the Plazas of the Americas

Also it is listed on their website under "Paramount" because the building their in is the Paramount building but when you don't know that, West End would be a better indicator.

[mdg109]

The picture above got me really excited about Jason's Deli. It actually looked like a street in New York. But now that I know their business hours, it's quite sad, really. Is there anything worse than going downtown in the early evening and seeing empty store fronts with their lights turned off? (so mad)

[dtdresident]

Lets give downtown time to become a legitimate residential neighborhood, before demanding that businesses stay open late and on weekends. Once more of the properties under construction come online, namely Mercantile, the residential impact should enable businesses to have longer hours. I own and live in DT and am excited about the Main Street district. It has come a long way in a short period of time....let's keep on supporting our neighborhood and hopefully, we will all be living in a thriving neighborhood very soon...