Suggestion for Urban Landscape's Young Conservatives club

[Columbus Civil]

http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews/stories/092503dnmetcookies.11ee9.html

[gc]

LOL!

good one civil!

[bloodandpopcorn]

HA! I saw that in the paper and thought of Urban, too. Honestly I would just go up to the bake sale, start asking about it, then grab a handful of cookies and run.

I really don't see how anyone thought that this could in anyway be a good idea...

[aceplace]

Urban, I gave you a bad time about the difference betwen facts and opinions...

Now I'm going to defend you...

If what you are doing is exposing some of the absurdity inherent in our society, then I'm all for it...

If what you are doing is raising a question and forcing a rational answer, then I'm all for it...

If you are making complacent people uncomfortable, I'm all for it...

At my workplace, recently, we had something called "Diversity Week".

Some wiseguy actually had the nerve to ask "What is Diversity? For example, am I a diversity?".

It was probably out of line, because the human resources girl putting this thing on had no answer, she was just doing a job...

I think it is a good question to ask, though, but to a larger audience... who is a diversity and who is not?

JUst as if we decided to have freedom of religion, but some churches were still to be treated differently than others.

Of course in our society, we do not have affirmative action for religious sects...

But... should we?

[aceplace]

Urban,

Having said what I said, I should probably add a postscript...

Our small Dallas-Fort Worth forum is probably not an appropriate forum for controversial social issues.

The issue you are into is not specific to DFW, but is generic across America... it's legitimate to raise it, but perhaps better it be raised somewhere else?

[rantanamo]

Sorry, but if I have to explain how absurd and off the point that bake sale is, then the world has a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooong way to go.

[aceplace]

Rantanamo,

You have a long way to go...

But you don't need to start here in the USA...

More like Bosnia, Kurdistan, Northern Ireland, Norhtern Nigeria, etc...

[bloodandpopcorn]

Aceplace, I agree that in a Diversity Week the European countries from which the Caucasians came, or Caucasians as a whole if you want to put it that way, should be recognized. Just like in any major, general "multicultural festival" there should be representatives of various groups of caucasians. That's very true, and very fair. But things like this are just as big of stunts as the attempts to get Mayor Miller recalled. Stupid, pointless, laughable. At least, that's how I see it.

[aceplace]

Blood,

If diversity is a good thing, and it overrides to some extent the Equal Protection clause of the 15th amendment, then why not have a religious diversity effort override the first amendment?

We have too many Baptists and Methodists in Texas universities.

We need to increase the diversity of our environment with some Hare Krishnas, Scientologists, Nichiren Shoshu buddhists and the like...

[aceplace]

Oops,

Forgot about the Transcendental Meditationists and Zen practitioners.

[rantanamo]

Why do I have a long way to go? Explain? That bake sale is ridiculous because it is inherently setting prices simply based on race, with no underlying reasons for why. So are you suggesting that AA is based on nothing?

I am not, and never said to not have the group, or a bake sale, or whatever. It's America, do what you want. What I'm trying to illustrate is that it's not proving any point to anyone because it's only looking at end result of a problem that has a lot of past and present to deal with. If that makes me have a long way to go, then I will just have to have a long way to go. I'm not overly obsessed with race, but I will call a spade when I see it.

[freewaytincan]

Originally posted by bloodandpopcorn
HA! I saw that in the paper and thought of Urban, too. Honestly I would just go up to the bake sale, start asking about it, then grab a handful of cookies and run.

Well, that would put you in the illegal immigrant slot. Look, in theory, this works. It makes very clear to people what has happened with our supposed equality systems, which are actually more like Nazism, due to its basis completely on racial standings. Anyway, yeah, I've considered it, but since Pearce is so very North Dallas-ish and disconnected, I don't think they'd get it.

[bloodandpopcorn]

First off, aceplace, you'll have to forgive my stupidity, but I have no clue what point you were trying to bring across in your first post. I don't see anyone trying to overpower the first ammendment, I just think this bakesale is a tasteless, bad idea. I like diversity, racial, religious, sexual, whatever you want it to be. People should be and do as they are or want to be, as long as it doesn't hinder someone else from achieving that goal.

And Urban, to make it like our 'supposed equality systems', they would 1) find out the percentages of minorities and majorities on campus (or in city, or whatever tehy decided to amke their market) and then divide cookies into those groups. You come from a causcasian group, you have that pot of cookies. Same for all other racial types. So that there is an adequent representation of all races in ammounts of cookies, so that a few caucasians (or african-americans, or asians, or hispanics, or whatever) don't come and take all of them, leaving the other ethnic groups without any cookies. 2) they would look at the circumstances and financial standing of the people buying the cookies, and adjust price on that. So let's say they have allotted 4 cookies for each person at the school, then seperated the cookies appropriately for the racial groups. Of course, if the person didn't eat healthily enough or was careless with their trash, they would be denied a discount or even the possibility of getting cookies in the future, and the discount/cookie would be offered to a new member of the ethnic group who expressed an interest in joining the group buying cookies.

That's a weird, elaborate analogy, but it actually slightly resembles the system. What actually occured at SMU does not, in any real practical way, resembles the system. And frankly, if they had gone to the extremes of my analogy at a bake sale, I'd respect them a hell of alot for effort and determination. As it is, they're just lazy white people with a lot of free time in need of some attention in stead of doing something of actual value with their time.